I run mostly pug content and I can confidently say that warriors are broken. Obscenely overpowered. A tank that can w2w while not only keeping themselves healed, but healing other party members should have never been allowed to go live...and after they said they wanted healers to have to heal more.
More and more tanks every day seem to be warriors now(at least half the ones I get at this point), and it's really boring. If I wanted to stand around casting ruin/glare/lasers all day I wouldn't queue as a healer. I often find myself hoping I'll get a really bad tank so I'll actually be able to do my job.
I hear this come up a lot, but...
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12-30-2021, 05:48 PMDarthgummibearI hear this come up a lot, but...
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12-30-2021, 06:13 PMFawkes
I just hope my holy spam doesn't make them sad that they don't have as much to heal, kinda like how it used to keep DRKs from enjoying Blood Price.
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12-30-2021, 06:47 PMPowercowJust give 'em a couple seconds of invincibility after their own 8 seconds of invincibility and it'll be all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes
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12-30-2021, 07:13 PMLarirawiel
Here are some numbers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...ute_for_tanks/
Warrior is the way better than other tanks.
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12-30-2021, 07:28 PMFhaerron
I'm actually glad WAR is the nr1 tank for the simple reason I don't really play them. I get them to max lvl and never play it again.
Gives me more changes in PF when farming ex as there will be less PLD in the groups.
Does still feel weird since Yoshi P always said he wants healer to heal more and now we have this. -
12-30-2021, 07:42 PMWindwalkerWhat.... Warriors are fine, Paladins were able to self heal and keep the entire party alive if the healer went down, now they gave the same love to Warriors, don't really see the problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthgummibear
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12-30-2021, 07:43 PMAma_LunaThis. THIS. I hate doing dungeons. It's so boring. I literally dps 99 percent of the time while the warrior takes care of everything. I want to heal but they do everything anyway. I don't do dungeons anymore unless forced to. If I wanted to dps 99 percent of the time, I would pick a dps, not a healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthgummibear
It isn't just warriors though. Most tanks are way overpowered with heals or some other thing that makes it pointless for a healer to heal. I've barely found anywhere in dungeons to ever need to heal. Even the new ones. -
12-30-2021, 07:49 PMTanis_Ebonhart
Dark Knights need love
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12-30-2021, 07:52 PMJybrilQuote:
Originally Posted by Darthgummibear
I just had this happen to me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ama_Luna
I was told to not shield or do anything and just DPS.
This is telling and healers or tanks (warriors) need to be looked into.
If your tanks are so good that it doesn't require healers anymore it's either time to nerf said tanks
or revamp the healer role where we give some heals and more DPS because I'm not gonna press
1 button for eternity when I came to the dungeon TO HEAL. >_> I'm seriously about to give up healing. -
12-30-2021, 08:06 PMAtreidesActually it's only DRK that is currently struggling in dungeons and need alot of healers attention, PLD and GNB have an easy time with W2W pulls too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthgummibear
If you want to embrace your healer role look for a DRK to tank the dungeon for you I'm sure they'll be happy because usually healers prefer other tanks so they can DPS more and get through the dungeon faster.
Also WAR was able to do that since ShB throughout the whole expansion and we even had mad strong selfheals before that... I don't see them nerfing it now it's not like they suddenly became sustainable in EW.
Also this is the dungeon experience you're talking about things will look vastly different in Savage and Ultimate raids. Tanks can't selfsustain themselves there.
All this talk about DRK being bad in their tank role does not apply in raids as it does in dungeons. (cept for their invuln man LD sure sucks.)
Not entirely correct we're playing DPS Fantasy here where everyone wants to DPS and WAR is #3 in the tank role with DRK and GNB actually being pretty far ahead, we're talking about 10% from 1 to 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larirawiel
That being said, they should not nerf the sustain of other tanks but give DRK sustain themselves so they are not the laughing stock in dungeons. -
12-30-2021, 08:13 PMFloortank
Warriors were already shrugging off tankbusters and self healing them in Shadowbringers with the kit we had.
Bloodwhetting makes us stronger, but not that much stronger. It just makes us a bit better at what we were already known for doing.
(I mt'd Savage through most of Eden.) -
12-30-2021, 08:18 PMPraesul
I was already doing no healer expert roulette runs last expansion, and the devs didn't seem to care.
Not sure why people were so ignorant of how strong the healing was back then and suddenly noticed now. If they want to make dungeons threatening and put the fear of god in people then the incoming damage should be much higher, dungeons have always been weenie hut JR.
I've been doing wall to wall pulls with every tank job I've played so far (PLD, WAR and DRK) so it's not like other jobs aren't capable. You could probably do a no healer run with a PLD party too if you really wanted to. -
12-30-2021, 08:24 PMJuzjuzz
As a tank i really love warrior right now, it's boring to get heals from other ppl and mutch more fun to heal myself as mutch as possible.
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12-30-2021, 08:36 PMSamsaraTrickstarLore and logic . Paladins are holly warriors and war is a berserker. An no tank need to have such healingQuote:
Originally Posted by Windwalker
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12-30-2021, 08:37 PMjamjeeshoul77
Yeah it’s sucks they need to figure out how to make dungeons more interesting for healers. The bosses are a bit better this expac with very frequent raid busters and other aoe damage, but trash pulls are still ridiculously boring.
Why don’t trash mobs ever do anything? I’ve never seen a trash pull with anything other than a telegraphed aoe and auto attacks, maybe some sort of mini tankbuster that is barely noticeable. At this point I pray I get a mediocre tank who doesn’t use cooldowns because then I don’t fall asleep
It’s clear square enix doesn’t want healers to have more than 3 DPS abilities so they NEED to give us things to heal in dungeons outside of bosses. -
12-30-2021, 08:40 PMPraesulThey've literally always had self-healing as part of their identity since their INCEPTION. Even in 2.0 when the job was in shambles, self-healing was its THING. When it was reworked in 2.1, Inner Beast was still a fat heal, they still had bloodbath, they were the only tank with a heal on their combo and thrill of battle was part of their kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar
Heavensward add Equilibrium, and the higher potential damage synergized even more with Bloodbath.
Stormblood kept most of this, added a self-healing component to Steel Cyclone now that Bloodbath was taken away from tanks.
Shadowbringers gave them Nascent Flash which was capable of the healing they have now but no one complained because they didn't understand how good it was and were still using Raw Intuition. Not only that, but most healing buffs in the game got reworked to not just apply to spells, so their self healing was even stronger.
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12-30-2021, 08:41 PMJybrilThey are fine to have self-healing, it's not fine to have such good self-healing that you don't need a healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praesul
I do not recall where WAR's was this good at it. If it was in SHB, I barely played it so this is new to me. -
12-30-2021, 08:43 PMPraesulMost content in this game doesn't need a healer. You could already do no healer runs of most things because the incoming damage isn't high enough of enrages are non-existent or extremely lenient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jybril
You're only noticing now because even subpar players can do it. -
12-30-2021, 09:20 PMDezereDawnIt pretty much was in the context of dungeons which is what everyone's even whining about for Warrior, it's actually astonishing how many people were ignorant to how fun Nascent was all of SHBQuote:
Originally Posted by Jybril
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12-30-2021, 09:25 PMAtreidesI'm also baffled how little people knew about WARs kit in ShB I honestly expected a nerf there but instead they even buffed NF in the coming patches so that we could apply it without needing a second target in 5.3...Quote:
Originally Posted by DezereDawn
Now with Endwalker it suddenly became an issue when it has been here for more than 2 years. It didn't get nerfed then and I don't think it'll get nerfed now. SE usually doesn't balance around dungeons but focuses more on trial/raid environments. -
12-30-2021, 11:34 PMLatarmaalso most peopel forget aboutt he old cross class skill mercy stroke ig you kill a mob with it you ganed back 20% hpQuote:
Originally Posted by Praesul
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12-31-2021, 12:26 AMFloortankThis is not a truism and should be challenged. The ability to flex outside the hard coded roles makes the game more interesting and more like an RPG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jybril
Most WARs are not good enough to operate without a healer on anything that really matters, but they can flex sometimes when it's fun but not necessarily critically important.
What the current WAR build comes down to is a tank that can carry a new healer through big pulls in dungeons. While a more highly DPSing tank might benefit from a more experienced healer.
This design leads to bigger variety, not less variety, in party strategy. -
12-31-2021, 12:58 AMArkenaeuxBelmont
Good Warriors have already been doing this for awhile. It's not like it magically happened during EW. The only thing EW did was push the goalpost back on the "skill" level needed to do it. It's now unga bunga levels.
PLD has been solo'ing content without a healer in Dungeons for ages as well. Again, nothing new. GBK has been able to do it since they've released as well. Really the only tank that lags behind in that category is DRK. Squishier and higher DPS than the others. (Though, DRK gameplay is in dire need of help. Honestly the job needs some love.) Content outside of Savage/Ex is so significantly reduced in how much the mobs hit for, that with gearing tanks just outpace the damage output via their self healing. Nerf it, and they'll suffer in the other areas like Savage/EX.
How is it people are just noticing this?
I think the core issue isn't so much the ability of a halfway decent tank to sustain themselves in Dungeon content, which is the lowest level of difficulty group content, it's that Healers mechanically need an update. The damage rotation for all healers is snoozefest boring, most healing can be done with oGCD's with 0 issue, and the only time they ever have meaningful things to do is scrapping a DPS off the floor that wasn't paying attention, or falling into the normal healing zone when a DRK is present in dungeons. -
12-31-2021, 01:55 AMRdehlikaJenma
Sylvies in this thread be angry.
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12-31-2021, 02:01 AMDarthgummibearThis explains why my healers can substitute for tanks or dps...oh wait, they can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Floortank