I hate losing half my buttons when I do a roulette

Anyone else feel the same? I understand why level sync is done the way it's done, but I personally feel that level sync should not sync your abilities. I say this simply because most jobs are not designed around Lv.50-70 anymore and are, since Shadowbringers' large overhaul of many jobs, designed around both Lv.80 and Lv.90 and having all skills at those levels to feel good.

When so much content in the game is based around those lower level caps, you would think jobs would be based around said caps, no? I hate having to lose half of my kit every time I do an alliance raid roulette because I got shoved into a Crystal Tower raid. I feel like it would be a lot less mind-numbing to do roulettes if you could have your entire fun kit the whole time rather than having something that is neutered because it isn't based around that level cap. I feel like jobs like Black Mage suffer the most from this, since their rotation changes so often in the levelling process.

I feel like this could be fixed by either A. redesigning jobs around each level cap (which is immensely harder) or B. putting a system in place where level sync only syncs your stats (and maybe certain traits, like the various Mastery traits or others that increase your potencies) instead of dropping buttons that some jobs depend on to feel good while you play them.

They can't just sync stats as every new ability you learn is typically designed to increase your damage or power in some way, especially when it comes to passive buffs or oGCDs. They would have to adjust every ability's potency by varying amounts based on what level the dungeon is. An ability at 90 that has 300 potency would end up having a potency of like 60 in Sastasha to make up for all the other abilties you have that you normally wouldn't have at that level. Where a healer could get once get away with throwing the occasional Cure or Medica would now have to make full use of their kit to keep people alive due to how small their individual heals are.

This is why blue mage just streamrolls old content. They don't lose access to later level abilities and keep their potencies.

Alright so.... nobody likes their job being in complete SUCK mode before 50.

Balance is no excuse, just sync us lower to make up for higher stats/attacks... yes its about time they deal with that. The amounts of wipes i had bc im too used having my 80/90 skills and the long time i need to get used to newer skills as im always locked out of em...

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Originally Posted by Espon

They can't just sync stats as every new ability you learn is typically designed to increase your damage or power in some way, especially when it comes to passive buffs or oGCDs. They would have to adjust every ability's potency by varying amounts based on what level the dungeon is. An ability at 90 that has 300 potency would end up having a potency of like 60 in Sastasha to make up for all the other abilties you have that you normally wouldn't have at that level. Where a healer could get once get away with throwing the occasional Cure or Medica would now have to make full use of their kit to keep people alive due to how small their individual heals are.

This is why blue mage just streamrolls old content. They don't lose access to later level abilities and keep their potencies.

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Pretty much this.

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Originally Posted by Espon

They can't just sync stats as every new ability you learn is typically designed to increase your damage or power in some way, especially when it comes to passive buffs or oGCDs. They would have to adjust every ability's potency by varying amounts based on what level the dungeon is. An ability at 90 that has 300 potency would end up having a potency of like 60 in Sastasha to make up for all the other abilties you have that you normally wouldn't have at that level. Where a healer could get once get away with throwing the occasional Cure or Medica would now have to make full use of their kit to keep people alive due to how small their individual heals are.

This is why blue mage just streamrolls old content. They don't lose access to later level abilities and keep their potencies.

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In addition to this, they’d also likely have to buff GLA and MRD in terms of enmity generation. Can you imagine a sprout GLA in Sastasha for the first time trying to hold their own against a synced 90 player with their full kit? I know tank enmity is a joke now, but classes are inherently weaker. So they would have to be adjusted to compensate. They may be obsolete, but they’re still in the game.

That said, I’d find it more worthwhile to adjust the levels in which jobs learn skills so that being lower level doesn’t feel so bad. Not only with regards to being synced, but for those who are leveling in general. It’s a common complaint that early combat is boring, and jobs feel less than stellar the lower you get—partially because so many of the abilities that they used to have in the 1-50 range have been deleted. So some reshuffling might make them feel a bit better.

I'm a Sprout and it's already painful for me when I have to level sync. I don't know how you guys can adjust to such low levels in roulettes. Props to you all. I do feel a twinge of guilt in dungeons, knowing more than half of your hot bars are off limits.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

That said, I’d find it more worthwhile to adjust the levels in which jobs learn skills so that being lower level doesn’t feel so bad. Not only with regards to being synced, but for those who are leveling in general. It’s a common complaint that early combat is boring, and jobs feel less than stellar the lower you get—partially because so many of the abilities that they used to have in the 1-50 range have been deleted. So some reshuffling might make them feel a bit better.

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Then the complaints would just shift to there being long stretches of leveling with no changes.

But yeah. Anyone that thinks "just sync stats low" is the answer is massively underestimating the wild imbalance due to skill availability. How the hells do you expect to balance low level healers against ones that have "heal to full" spells? How are you going to balance low level tanks with ones that have "immune to all damage" skills?

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Then the complaints would just shift to there being long stretches of leveling with no changes.

But yeah. Anyone that thinks "just sync stats low" is the answer is massively underestimating the wild imbalance due to skill availability. How the hells do you expect to balance low level healers against ones that have "heal to full" spells? How are you going to balance low level tanks with ones that have "immune to all damage" skills?

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It would depend on how spaced out abilities are, to be fair. Some jobs should already have skills moved down to the 1-50 range just so they feel like a complete job instead of half of one. BRD, for example. Since they changed Wanderer’s Minuet from what it originally was in HW, there’s very little reason for it to remain at level 52. Moving it down the 30-50 range would allow the job to actually have a full song rotation instead of having 2/3s of one. Melee DPS that don’t get AOEs until the 40s should have them move to lower levels as well (I personally think everyone should have an AOE between levels 15-20).

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Then the complaints would just shift to there being long stretches of leveling with no changes.

But yeah. Anyone that thinks "just sync stats low" is the answer is massively underestimating the wild imbalance due to skill availability. How the hells do you expect to balance low level healers against ones that have "heal to full" spells? How are you going to balance low level tanks with ones that have "immune to all damage" skills?

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For what it's worth, EverQuest 2 did exactly that, and it had all the problems you point out (with the additional problem that certain stats were only available on gear past a certain level entirely, further increasing the imbalance. Imagine that no <lvl50 gear has crit, for example, but a lvl90 player scaled <50 gets its crit scaled down, not removed)

Given how many FF XIV systems clearly took inspiration from the EQ-franchise I wouldn't be surprised the devs were aware of the issues with the Chronomagic in EQ2, and tried to avoid them the way they did.

Whether it's more enjoyable, well, that's debatable, and probably depends more on the point of progression of the player. For the high level players it arguably kinda sucks, for the sprouts it's probably more enjoyable since, despite gear differences, they're on a level playing field with the higher level players.

Arguably the best solution is what they did with newer jobs, balance them so they get their core skills earlier, so they don't feel quite as gimped when synced down.

Then why new classes that appeared on 60 or 70 levels in essence there are more attacking abilities than those who started from level 1. For example, Dragun late gets mass attacks and passing the dungeon becomes very problematic

I remember in a WoW expansion they did something like this with stat compress, you just roll over everything.

If you don't want to balance and make low level rolls fun, the easy way out for SE is to block skills by level.

But as many say, it's completely anti-fun for HL.

This said, between trying to make it fun by doing compressed stats and compressed skills, I'd rather they did the actual expansion content.
(And even if SE did that, they'd have to rework the boss mechanics, because there's nothing less interesting for those who have tasted the other expansions than the ARR bosses, there's Zero strategy or so, compare to ShB/Endwalker, maybe Stormblood, but it didn't really stand out to me.)

Since it's never going to be a remake like WoW and its Cataclysm expansion to make FFXIV fun from ARR to Heavensward anyway. And the free trial until the end of Heavensward goes in that direction. Our game is boring low level, what to do? Let those who have survived ARR, our first expansion, test it out, which is in the hearts of some as the best expansion. I personally don't agree on this point, Heavensward is okey, but that's it.

I don't get the balance reason. Dungeons are not challenging. We already steamroll everything and people pull wall to wall. There is no balance that needs protecting. All I personally see is boring dungeons that force me to use the more boring side of my abilities while locking the cool ones because reasons. With my full kit I could at least practice.