Can we have a quest to obtain an Archon mark?

I know I know it'd be messy timeline wise effectively having to have a character write a thesis and all, and there might be annoying story implications later... But especially for mage characters we barely ever get a chance to flex our intellect!

I demand my honorary degree for saving the universe!

I just want to be able to fit in with my fellow Scions for Oschon's sake.

Man I'd settle for a pair of those fancy aether-vision goggles. Four expansions of fetch quests and back-breaking, world saving labor later, I still feel like the unpaid intern.

The archon mark is the mark or scholarly achievement. This is why Alisaie, Lyse, and Alphinaud don't have one. Saving the universe doesn't mean we're the smartest peanut out there.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The archon mark is the mark or scholarly achievement. This is why Alisaie, Lyse, and Alphinaud don't have one. Saving the universe doesn't mean we're the smartest peanut out there.

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Cool! Lemme write a thesis in a quest for scholarly achievement :P I can definitely come up with something better than Thancred

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Originally Posted by Sclair0

Cool! Lemme write a thesis in a quest for scholarly achievement :P I can definitely come up with something better than Thancred

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This would not surprise me.... go for it! (and also how did he get one and not Alphinaud??)

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Originally Posted by wereotter

This would not surprise me.... go for it! (and also how did he get one and not Alphinaud??)

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My understanding is the twins left before they could go for an Archon mark. Thancred's is in espionage, stealth, stuff like that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the twins get theirs sooner or later. If Alisaie gets the credit for discovering the cure for tempering it might be a small formality of her just writing a paper about it. (Might be a nice twist if she ends up getting one before Alphi via Matoya or someone telling the studium about her efforts to reverse tempering.)

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Originally Posted by Jagick

Man I'd settle for a pair of those fancy aether-vision goggles. Four expansions of fetch quests and back-breaking, world saving labor later, I still feel like the unpaid intern.

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You can get sharlayan goggles at the gold saucer. They have a cool glow effect when you visor up. There's also a face tattoo like uriangeir you can put on and then give it that deep purple/violet color

100% agree. I've been wanting an archon mark since I started playing.

I did my dissertation on interspecies and intercultural non-verbal communication across multiple dimensions. I'm sure the Faculty of Anthropology would appreciate that as a useful area of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Phaty

You can get sharlayan goggles at the gold saucer. They have a cool glow effect when you visor up. There's also a face tattoo like uriangeir you can put on and then give it that deep purple/violet color

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Yeah, but that's not the same as the goggles that several of the Scions used back in ARR. I think only Krile still carries hers now, on her sleeve.

I agree with OP, getting access to the Archon marks would be an awesome addition.

And now I'm curious, what about the title itself? That would also be rather delightful...

(I don't ever recall seeing it as an option in any lists I've read online)

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Originally Posted by Sclair0

My understanding is the twins left before they could go for an Archon mark. Thancred's is in espionage, stealth, stuff like that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the twins get theirs sooner or later. If Alisaie gets the credit for discovering the cure for tempering it might be a small formality of her just writing a paper about it. (Might be a nice twist if she ends up getting one before Alphi via Matoya or someone telling the studium about her efforts to reverse tempering.)

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That being the case, I can see Alisaie never getting hers specifically because it would involve writing a paper about it.

Though also at this point, I'm not sure the twins see it as all that important. They seem to care more about the positive impact of their actions rather than the title that they could hold in society.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

That being the case, I can see Alisaie never getting hers specifically because it would involve writing a paper about it.

Though also at this point, I'm not sure the twins see it as all that important. They seem to care more about the positive impact of their actions rather than the title that they could hold in society.

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Also quite likely. I dont think they'd get one unless there was an actual reason to (getting into those archives mayhaps?)

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

I did my dissertation on interspecies and intercultural non-verbal communication across multiple dimensions. I'm sure the Faculty of Anthropology would appreciate that as a useful area of knowledge.

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You win mate.

My brain backfired when reading and I thought you were asking for the Ascian masks of energy they use when stuff is about to get real lol. Which I was like ... yoooo... that'd be cool, something like the legacy tattoo you can turn on and off that shows up during battle.

Then I realized you said Archon, which I still think could go under the legacy tattoo system though. Honestly it would be neat if there were quests and unlocks for special ways to customize your character post character customization. Like in ShB after getting too full on light you might unlock special light aspected eyes, or something. All the customizations can go under there and limit X customization (1?).

Though the idea does line up a bit with another desire I had which was cosmetic and role play merit system akin to a sphere or license grid, where-in you could customize and further unlock roleplay of your job (like dragoon can turn on high jump, which passively increases their jump height in zones they've unlocked flying, another unlock would be to null their fall damage, dark knight could unlock that HW smokey shadow effect for their aura, etc, etc). Then maybe you've the job grids, and one general that has things like unlocked options (like the FFX has unlocks) via MSQ, and other general concepts like perhaps FFXV inspired camping (build a fire, earn a buff, greatly increase duration of food in the open world, etc).

My WoL's archon thesis was called: "I've killed several dozen gods, are you SURE you're going to deny me tenure?"
Where's my tattoo, SE?

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Originally Posted by Jennah

My WoL's archon thesis was called: "I've killed several dozen gods, are you SURE you're going to deny me tenure?"
Where's my tattoo, SE?

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A+ thesis topic. The thesis defense panel would also have accepted "I Have Been To Other Dimensions And Also The Moon, But Sure I Suppose I Can Go To A Rival Academic Institution With All That Info", or "I Just Saved The World -- AGAIN -- You Ungrateful Jackasses".

Possibly also "Fandaniel Ate My Homework".

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Originally Posted by Jagick

Man I'd settle for a pair of those fancy aether-vision goggles. Four expansions of fetch quests and back-breaking, world saving labor later, I still feel like the unpaid intern.

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Intern is a little generous. We're just the weapon they reach for when something big needs killing.

Frankly we're probably more likely to be the subject of a thesis than we are ever writing one ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Alxyzntlct

I agree with OP, getting access to the Archon marks would be an awesome addition.

And now I'm curious, what about the title itself? That would also be rather delightful...

(I don't ever recall seeing it as an option in any lists I've read online)

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Well there's an Under-Archon title. Came from the HW MSQ if memory serves me. So you can always pretend your character is working on their thesis.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

This would not surprise me.... go for it! (and also how did he get one and not Alphinaud??)

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If I remember correctly, Alphinaud is simply waiting for his. He did presented his thesis already (that cause quite an uproar in the studium), but he left for Eorzea before they presented him the result. And the first time he came back isn't really a good time for something as frivolous as that. Wouldn't surprise he's officially graduated sometime this expack though.

I'd like tattoo options period, regardless of what you were wearing. I hate how the only time your toon can have tattoos is wearing one of a handful of pieces of gear.

I suspect that in order to get your Archon title you will have to spend, oh, four years in Old Sharlayan at the Studium, pursuing a degree. You could be Warrior of Light by day, student by night. You'll start your quest in patch 6.5 and finish it up when the 9.0 expansion comes out.

Sounds about right.

Then again, you realize that the Warrior of Light is still in High School, right? [This is a poke at the "everything happens at once, so no in-game time passes, which is why the Twins are still in their teens" motif of the game]

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Then again, you realize that the Warrior of Light is still in High School, right? [This is a poke at the "everything happens at once, so no in-game time passes, which is why the Twins are still in their teens" motif of the game]

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Hey, now. Time does pass; they talk about how you should go take a break (at the end of an MSQ chapter). Mind you, we have no idea if it's been like... two years since the Praetorium, or six months. Just that time has passed in some manner.

(If everything from ARR onwards has happened in like six months, though, my WoL really needs a vacation.)

More seriously, I love the fact that we get actual times for things in the First -- how long since each of the Scions had arrived there -- and mention that time moved faster there than in the Source... but zero reference as to how much time actually passed in the Source, save for "less than in the First".

Hey, there's a Studium thesis for you: "The Effect of Heroism on Perception of Linear Time". (Though it might just consist of the WoL just scrawling "HELP I CAN KILL GODS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS ANYMORE" across a piece of paper and turning that in.)

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Originally Posted by Jennah

My WoL's archon thesis was called: "I've killed several dozen gods, are you SURE you're going to deny me tenure?"
Where's my tattoo, SE?

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We will allow you to get the tattoo, however we do not grant you the rank of Archon.

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Originally Posted by Sclair0

I know I know it'd be messy timeline wise effectively having to have a character write a thesis and all, and there might be annoying story implications later... But especially for mage characters we barely ever get a chance to flex our intellect!

I demand my honorary degree for saving the universe!

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I would also like an Archon mark

At this point, Isnt the WoL the foremost living expert on the Ancient's and their history with a side helping of Allagan info few others posses?

Im sure we could come up with a thing or two worthy of the mark. XD

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The archon mark is the mark or scholarly achievement. This is why Alisaie, Lyse, and Alphinaud don't have one. Saving the universe doesn't mean we're the smartest peanut out there.

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But Lyse had it when she was Yda, so there's already precedent for faking it! We don't even need to be smart!

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

But Lyse had it when she was Yda, so there's already precedent for faking it! We don't even need to be smart!

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Yes but her mark was tied to Papalymo and when he died the mark disappeared. Was it really her mark?

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The archon mark is the mark or scholarly achievement. This is why Alisaie, Lyse, and Alphinaud don't have one. Saving the universe doesn't mean we're the smartest peanut out there.

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Do slogging through crafter/gatherer role quests count as scholarly achievement? We do that nonsense in their big deal Studium, after all ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

I mean Thancred got his Archon mark as a Mastery of Espionage of all things, I honestly don't see it being too far of a fetch to get one for either being an Adventurer or even in the field of saving the World. We are kinda an expert in those fields....

It would be neat if we could take a course in Sharlayan depending on what profession (Job Class) you want to take the course as as your primary speciality that let's you unlock the title of Archon along with the Job class you picked.

Like, I'd love to have culinarian or goldsmith as my own Archon title, in addition to getting various type of the Archon tattoo that could be applied as face paint either on your face, neck or wherever else.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

It would be neat if we could take a course in Sharlayan depending on what profession (Job Class) you want to take the course as as your primary speciality that let's you unlock the title of Archon along with the Job class you picked.

Like, I'd love to have culinarian or goldsmith as my own Archon title, in addition to getting various type of the Archon tattoo that could be applied as face paint either on your face, neck or wherever else.

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Not a bad call, maybe the 90s version of “master of war/magic/etc” could have been Archon of Crafting/etc.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Not a bad call, maybe the 90s version of “master of war/magic/etc” could have been Archon of Crafting/etc.

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I love love the sound of that. Plus, the dialogue of the Scions and various other characters aware of our title could call us "Archon of Light" or something like that. xD

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Originally Posted by jeffrey21045

We will allow you to get the tattoo, however we do not grant you the rank of Archon.

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What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair! How can you have saved the world repeatedly (and other worlds) and not be an Archon?

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Originally Posted by Midnight2198

What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair! How can you have saved the world repeatedly (and other worlds) and not be an Archon?

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Sit down young WoL...

(Sorry I just realized the joke). :p

Archons are like PhD degrees, so, it's about what you're able to put back out for others, on the academic level

Now that we didnt have the monopoly against primals anymore, thanks to the warding scales, we possibly can compile our experience in a thesis with strategies and battle tips or some kind of stuff like that

And I think Graha will be much inclined to help us with the paperwork

idk, Thancred isn't exactly PhD material, I'd say being a weapon of mass destruction would qualify the WoL to be an Archon. I'd love to get tattoos that we could equip ala the psijic order in Elder Scrolls Online.