Massive relative damage increase with EW

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12-13-2021, 08:07 AM
Darthgummibear

Massive relative damage increase with EW

The stat squish seems to have given us a HUGE increase in damage relative to a mob's health compared to what it was before. I initially noticed it in POTD where I was pretty much one-shotting everything. In addition, with dungeons my groups have been effectively skipping entire portions of boss mechanics because everything dies so fast now. This doesn't feel healthy for the game as it will make people even less prepared for current content.

Was this intentional, or an oversight that will be tweaked later?
12-13-2021, 08:11 AM
Kewitt

EEEP don't tell them that maybe I could solo clear this old old old content.
12-13-2021, 08:14 AM
Lemuel81

Square Enix needs to take a good look at increased damage and it wasn't just with the stat squish. Tanks and healers are bored and dungeons continue to be face roll. Fights are great, mechanics are fine, there just isn't a whole lot punishing moves anymore. Luckily they have acknowledged this but I doubt we will see any change..
12-13-2021, 08:18 AM
Equitable_Remedy

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

Square Enix needs to take a good look at increased damage and it wasn't just with the stat squish. Tanks and healers are bored and dungeons continue to be face roll. Fights are great, mechanics are fine, there just isn't a whole lot punishing moves anymore. Luckily they have acknowledged this but I doubt we will see any change..

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12-13-2021, 08:57 AM
Rhysati

I dungeon'd this morning from level 16 to level 32 as marauder. Not one of those dungeons felt faster at all and I've run all of them a bazillion times.
12-13-2021, 11:23 AM
Jin-

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

I dungeon'd this morning from level 16 to level 32 as marauder. Not one of those dungeons felt faster at all and I've run all of them a bazillion times.

Breylox was like 10minutes with slow tank. One pack at the time. Normally that would be 20min. Also not even second add wave on the first boss
12-13-2021, 11:25 AM
Dogempire

I kind of wonder how this'll affect PoTD and HoH solo runs, hopefully it doesn't make it too easy otherwise that'll be kind of disappointing
12-13-2021, 11:32 AM
RinaB

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

The stat squish seems to have given us a HUGE increase in damage relative to a mob's health compared to what it was before. I initially noticed it in POTD where I was pretty much one-shotting everything. In addition, with dungeons my groups have been effectively skipping entire portions of boss mechanics because everything dies so fast now. This doesn't feel healthy for the game as it will make people even less prepared for current content.

Was this intentional, or an oversight that will be tweaked later?

I dont have exact numbers but it feels like boss health is higher then shb and the damage output of their abilities is also a lot higher. It feels like a nice change and I really like the new mechanics in a lot of the dungeons/8 players even if they killed me a few times lol. That being said it feels fine to me? Maybe it'll be easier once savage is out and people can actually log in lol
12-13-2021, 11:34 AM
RinaB

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Originally Posted by RinaB

I dont have exact numbers but it feels like boss health is higher then shb and the damage output of their abilities is also a lot higher. It feels like a nice change and I really like the new mechanics in a lot of the dungeons/8 players even if they killed me a few times lol. That being said it feels fine to me? Maybe it'll be easier once savage is out and people can actually log in lol

I meant maybe it will be easier to calculate it and see. Can't edit post on mobile
12-13-2021, 02:02 PM
Genbe197

I havent had a second wave on that boss in years
12-13-2021, 02:40 PM
Legion88

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Also not even second add wave on the first boss

The second add wave on the first boss of Breylox was always an indicator.
In HW if you skipped the second wave you had top DPS.
Since SB it was an indicator for very subpar DPS, you literally needed a DPS to be not doing anything to get the second wave and even then you could skip it with only 3 man.
12-14-2021, 10:04 PM
hynaku

For me think I do less dmg than before. My lvl 80 dnc use to be able to almost one hit a lvl 80 and now only does 1/2 to 3/4 the amount of dmg.
12-14-2021, 10:11 PM
Commander_Justitia

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

EEEP don't tell them that maybe I could solo clear this old old old content.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

I kind of wonder how this'll affect PoTD and HoH solo runs, hopefully it doesn't make it too easy otherwise that'll be kind of disappointing

The low floors in PotD and HoH especially are a lot easier = faster. It stays like that until 51 maybe even 60 for HoH. After that it mostly has the same difficulty, so it is not really much easier.
12-14-2021, 10:17 PM
Rinhi

I like the damage increase, makes tedious dungeons go by quicker and allows for things like bardam's or doma to be wall pulled as well
12-14-2021, 10:19 PM
Jadedsins

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I like the damage increase, makes tedious dungeons go by quicker and allows for things like bardam's or doma to be wall pulled as well

Same, I think I can suffer tanks and healers being bored for faster tedious content.
12-14-2021, 10:26 PM
BaconBits

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I like the damage increase, makes tedious dungeons go by quicker and allows for things like bardam's or doma to be wall pulled as well

I remember this absolute unit of a party I had the fortune of running into twice on Bardam's and Doma back in ShB. Wall to walled everything and I do mean everything, we melted enemies like butter on a frying pan.

Wherever that party is, I miss you :c
12-14-2021, 10:33 PM
Larirawiel

But also the opposite is inplace. We tried Odin in the open world version. He one-shotted even level 90 players. Tanks were also one-shot candidates. :(

Cheers
12-14-2021, 10:48 PM
Seraphor

Level 50 content definitely feels faster. Did Castrum and Brayflox Hard yesterday and both just melted.
But not noticing the same at levels 70 and 80.

Likely that after the stat squish they adjusted base damage to compensate at level 80 as a benchmark, which had the knock-on effect of making level 50 and below much easier.
12-14-2021, 10:51 PM
technole

Every expansion always introduces power creep, because of changed potencies, new jobs, and actions that didn't exist before the content was released. Even with a stat squish, that doesn't change much. There are even several skills that are percentage % based and with a squish, that's slightly more potency.
12-14-2021, 10:53 PM
Seraphor

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Level 50 content definitely feels faster. Did Castrum and Brayflox Hard yesterday and both just melted.
But not noticing the same at levels 70 and 80.

Likely that after the stat squish they adjusted base damage to compensate at level 80 as a benchmark, which had the knock-on effect of making level 50 and below much easier.

Also ended up in Ridorana via alliance roulette somehow, which took forever? Nearly twice as long as usual.
12-14-2021, 11:58 PM
Commander_Justitia

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

But also the opposite is inplace. We tried Odin in the open world version. He one-shotted even level 90 players. Tanks were also one-shot candidates. :(

Cheers

He did on lvl 80 too if you dont do the mechanic right. Share the cleave and dispel the vulnerability up on tanks.
But yea lvl50 hunting mobs do seem to be a lot harder too, so Odin probably a bit aswell
12-15-2021, 12:14 AM
Raiya

Noticed things in the 50-59 range are definitely easier in some dungeons but this is likely because the flattening of the stat curve means the mobs dont scale drastically compared to before. I dont mind it, older content being easier just means more people will do it to get it done.