Patch 6.0 Notes (Complete)

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12-02-2021, 06:50 PM
Kahnom

Patch 6.0 Notes (Complete)

This is not a spam.
Enjoy.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...e96a8412962edf
12-02-2021, 07:00 PM
aveyond-dreams

I love how Summoner managed to keep their dots in PVP only! New carbuncle trance gauge looks fantastic.
12-02-2021, 07:38 PM
xxmiamorecadenza

Wow they ruined Monk.

I played that job for positionals and we went from 6 to a measly 2.

Legit the monk chat rooms I’m apart of have exploded with people being utterly peeved.
12-02-2021, 08:10 PM
KittyKet

Ahhhhhhhh

Reading all of this makes me so excited. Pretty sure I'm gonna spend most of EA just exploring all of the changes, especially to crafting and gathering since those are my favorite aspects of the game.
12-02-2021, 08:15 PM
Eloah

I wanna know why Glare and Holy skip 2 and go straight to 3 when they upgrade? Is there something going on with the 2nd level we don't know about?
12-02-2021, 08:20 PM
RobynDaBank

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I wanna know why Glare and Holy skip 2 and go straight to 3 when they upgrade? Is there something going on with the 2nd level we don't know about?

In JP the spell that has III in English has a "-ga" suffix. Anything which has "-ga" gets localized to III without regard to what number was the preceding one.
12-02-2021, 08:20 PM
EusisLandale

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I wanna know why Glare and Holy skip 2 and go straight to 3 when they upgrade? Is there something going on with the 2nd level we don't know about?

It's due to the fact that the English text doesn't bother using the -ra, -ga, -ja suffixes and put numbers in place instead. They upgrade straight to Glarega and Holyga.
12-02-2021, 08:35 PM
Jadedsins

With the changes to monks. We might see more of them now.
12-02-2021, 08:44 PM
xxmiamorecadenza

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

With the changes to monks. We might see more of them now.

It’s just a shame that the changes aren’t meant to appeal to people who actually play monk.

Of course, this is just me griping about the one job I adore being mangled from my perspective.
12-02-2021, 08:47 PM
KageTokage

I feel like the new chakra mechanic is going to make up for the loss of positionals in terms of making the job engaging.
12-02-2021, 08:57 PM
Jadedsins

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

It’s just a shame that the changes aren’t meant to appeal to people who actually play monk.

Of course, this is just me griping about the one job I adore being mangled from my perspective.

Ya, I agree. People who enjoy monk now..won't and should not be happy. Sadly though, they keep changing and changing monks to try and get more of a appeal to them. So now they at last touched the sore spot for many people.

It is a lose/lose.
12-02-2021, 09:09 PM
Vahenir

Im rather new to playing monk myself but im looking forward to the changes. Those positionals were a nightmare to use when running solo or with a tank that likes to try and make the bosses dizzy. This should make that a lot better.
12-02-2021, 09:56 PM
Andy_T93

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Ya, I agree. People who enjoy monk now..won't and should not be happy. Sadly though, they keep changing and changing monks to try and get more of a appeal to them. So now they at last touched the sore spot for many people.

It is a lose/lose.

Speak for yourself, I love Monk and am happy with these changes, for me the defining characteristic for Monk has always been its speed which it has retained, It never sat well with me the concept of punching someone in the back anyway seems sneaky, leave that for Ninja's
12-02-2021, 09:57 PM
StouterTaru

The last 20 years haven't been good to Gumby.

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/bd...png?1638437536
12-02-2021, 10:03 PM
Iscah

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The last 20 years haven't been good to Gumby.

I knew it reminded me of something...
12-02-2021, 10:10 PM
Jadedsins

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Originally Posted by Andy_T93

Speak for yourself, I love Monk and am happy with these changes, for me the defining characteristic for Monk has always been its speed which it has retained, It never sat well with me the concept of punching someone in the back anyway seems sneaky, leave that for Ninja's

You are right, I should have said some. Even though the few monk mains I talk with don't like the change. *shrugs*.
12-02-2021, 10:13 PM
ryouma17

i never used positionals anyways so this doesnt change how i play
12-02-2021, 10:20 PM
Genbe197

The tooltips say postionals is gone but at the bottom it says Bootshine crit is still rear and Leaden fist is flank so who knows which is correct.
12-02-2021, 10:21 PM
MsQi

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Originally Posted by Andy_T93

Speak for yourself, I love Monk and am happy with these changes, for me the defining characteristic for Monk has always been its speed which it has retained, It never sat well with me the concept of punching someone in the back anyway seems sneaky, leave that for Ninja's

Hitting things from the back is typical MMO/RPG mechanics for most melee. More damage from behind is just normal and makes sense across the board. Monk was different because it also depended on side attacks more to give it more of a martial arts feel.
12-02-2021, 10:25 PM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

Wow they ruined Monk.

I played that job for positionals and we went from 6 to a measly 2.

Legit the monk chat rooms I’m apart of have exploded with people being utterly peeved.

Well, the game needs to appeal to a wider audience. Many of those - evidently - can't read or tell which direction they are facing. :p
12-02-2021, 10:41 PM
Momo_Kozuki

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

It’s just a shame that the changes aren’t meant to appeal to people who actually play monk.

Of course, this is just me griping about the one job I adore being mangled from my perspective.

Well, I like the changes. Won't main Monk, but I think I will play it more often without worrying about hurting my hands.
12-02-2021, 10:47 PM
Neoyoshi

Where is Island Sanctuary?

Did it get cut or delayed again?
12-02-2021, 10:54 PM
Nothv13

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

Where is Island Sanctuary?

Did it get cut or delayed again?

It was never going to be in 6.0 as far as I'm aware. It was always slated for 6.1
12-02-2021, 10:55 PM
MsQi

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Well, the game needs to appeal to a wider audience. Many of those - evidently - can't read or tell which direction they are facing. :p

The game already appeals to the widest audience of any mmo ever. Homogenizing will just narrow that.
Positionals aren't really critical for most jobs except on the hardest content. They mostly give players a way of pushing themselves to excel for harder content while others can ignore them, or choose to practice them for their own self edification. Having jobs that have differing mechanics is how to appeal to a wider audience.
12-02-2021, 10:55 PM
Xaruko_Nexume

Positionals are why I will literally do everything this game has to offer before ever leveling a melee DPS job. Sorry to those that enjoy them.
12-02-2021, 10:59 PM
MsQi

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Positionals are why I will literally do everything this game has to offer before ever leveling a melee DPS job. Sorry to those that enjoy them.

They are not that important if you just want to level and have fun with the job. Staying behind the boss in most cases is just a good idea in general for everyone but the tank.
12-02-2021, 11:01 PM
Luluna

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Originally Posted by MsQi

They are not that important if you just want to level and have fun with the job. Staying behind the boss in most cases is just a good idea in general for everyone but the tank.

I agree I was never a fan of all the moving around but I did my best to follow. I did level my melee though and just did it on the night lol :D
12-02-2021, 11:09 PM
Nothv13

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Originally Posted by MsQi

The game already appeals to the widest audience of any mmo ever. Homogenizing will just narrow that.
Positionals aren't really critical for most jobs except on the hardest content. They mostly give players a way of pushing themselves to excel for harder content while others can ignore them, or choose to practice them for their own self edification. Having jobs that have differing mechanics is how to appeal to a wider audience.

They are not even critical on the hardest content. The number of clears I see in Savage content and Ultimates with mdps not caring about positionals makes such obviously clear.
12-02-2021, 11:21 PM
Neoyoshi

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

It was never going to be in 6.0 as far as I'm aware. It was always slated for 6.1

Nuts nuts nuts. xD Oh well i can wait. I was truly under a rock with that one, i genuinely just assumed it was coming in 6.0 because i never saw/read any news stating otherwise. My bad.

This kind of hit me hard though; because i know Endwalker is going to be awesome, but for me personally...

Let's just say Endwalker is a very delicious, well baked cake, and it tastes great.

But Island Sanctuary is the frosting atop of that cake; thick, sweet, sugary frosting.

Sure it's not good for my health and it's probably going to kill me, but I still love frosting.

I mean Harvest Moon, I love Harvest Moon.
12-02-2021, 11:30 PM
Silver-Strider

As far as I'm concerned, WHM is dead in EW for me. If healers are getting scraps, then WHM is getting the crumbs and I'm just done with it.

I thought I could deal with MNK but it looks like they're removing even more positionals from them as well so I'm just sad overall with these notes.
12-02-2021, 11:33 PM
FusiaRain

Thank all that is evil, they removed so many genderlocking that is amazing :)
12-02-2021, 11:43 PM
DerpyWhiskers

The change to Skytool stages now allowing NQ submissions is quite welcome. I had given up on the pickaxe after mining like 3000 ores haha
12-02-2021, 11:45 PM
Equitable_Remedy

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

Legit the monk chat rooms I’m apart of have exploded with people being utterly peeved.

Not the chat rooms! Oh no!
12-02-2021, 11:45 PM
Unholychinchilla

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

I mean Harvest Moon, I love Harvest Moon.

Good news, Reaper gets Harvest Moon so that made it into 6.0!

(I kid, I know what you mean.)
12-02-2021, 11:47 PM
aveyond-dreams

Things have to evolve and change for the better. Compared to the other melees it appears monk had too many positionals. Considering the fact that you have to be on the move quite often in this game, it comes as no surprise that they changed things to make it easier.

Back in ARR combos would even break if you messed up your positionals. Doubtless some would argue in favor of such a broken system because "it was a sign of skill!" It's the tale as old as time. I view the concept of certain jobs having to be challenging as the default to be quite a selfish stance, given that there is already higher difficulty content based off the hardness of the fight as opposed to having to deal with general bad flow. Gameplay that deals with battling against poor controls or annoying job mechanics should not be forced onto people by the default.
12-03-2021, 12:56 AM
LucienFaust

Hell yeah as a Monk main since ARR I'm looking forward to these changes. Though two skills still stand out to how underwhelming they are.
12-03-2021, 02:09 AM
Mikey_R

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Things have to evolve and change for the better. Compared to the other melees it appears monk had too many positionals. Considering the fact that you have to be on the move quite often in this game, it comes as no surprise that they changed things to make it easier.

Back in ARR combos would even break if you messed up your positionals. Doubtless some would argue in favor of such a broken system because "it was a sign of skill!" It's the tale as old as time. I view the concept of certain jobs having to be challenging as the default to be quite a selfish stance, given that there is already higher difficulty content based off the hardness of the fight as opposed to having to deal with general bad flow. Gameplay that deals with battling against poor controls or annoying job mechanics should not be forced onto people by the default.

There is a difference between combos breaking and losing a bit of potency for missing positionals.

The main appeal to many Monk fans, myself included, was the speed and the fact it had alot of positionals. I could have dealt with loosing the positionals on Twin Snakes and True Strike, or even, even the positionals for any other Form, but taking them away from multiple forms is just a kick in the teeth. Pair this with the fact Monk now has barely any oGCD actions, only 1 of them being an attack, it has the potential to make Monk feel very very boring between the big bursts. If we define the bursts as the Masterful Blitz stage, that is every 40 seconds, monk can fit 20 GCDs in that time. You aren't going to see more Forbidden Chakras than we currently do (might even be less due to stat scaling being different from 81+). So, with not alot to do, the only thing to keep a Monk's mind busy is the positionals.

This is the main concern and it always seems with every good thing that happens to monk, they always have to kick it back down in another area.
12-03-2021, 02:18 AM
RyuDragnier

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

In JP the spell that has III in English has a "-ga" suffix. Anything which has "-ga" gets localized to III without regard to what number was the preceding one.

Which is silly that they skipped Holy 2 because Holyra exists in Crystal Chronicles.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

As far as I'm concerned, WHM is dead in EW for me. If healers are getting scraps, then WHM is getting the crumbs and I'm just done with it.

Look on the bright side...at least you're not SCH. Still janky as hell with nothing actually fixed on the complaints about the kit feeling horrible to play.

Also can we get an F to DRK? It has been destroyed.
12-03-2021, 09:23 AM
Silver-Strider

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Which is silly that they skipped Holy 2 because Holyra exists in Crystal Chronicles.

Look on the bright side...at least you're not SCH. Still janky as hell with nothing actually fixed on the complaints about the kit feeling horrible to play.

Also can we get an F to DRK? It has been destroyed.

SCH is my secondary healer :cries:
12-03-2021, 09:28 AM
iVolke

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

i never used positionals anyways so this doesnt change how i play

good lord :confused:

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