Do You Think FF XIV Will Start Getting The Hate WoW Gets Because of The Cash Shop?

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Another thread about the mogstation items?

Unlike that other game it has been said time and time again that all profits from Mogstation purchases go directly to the dev budget of the game and not to general profits for shareholders. So no, the general population do not resent the mogstation as they see it as a necessary evil in order to keep the game going especially when SE was not giving it the $$$ it ought to have been.

OP, why have you made so many negative threads and posts ever since you re-subbed (as you mentioned in another thread)? Or was it a forum silence? I mean sure, of course everyone has a right to complain, but it's been a tirade - possibly to see what thread sticks?

SE is putting out satisfactory content with good rewards for engaging with it. Blizzard currently isn't, so seeing cool rewards locked behind a money purchase feels, to use a ye olde General Discussion turn of phrase, like a slap to the face.

I am personally against all cash shops for a subscription based game, but until SE falters people will continue to drink the copium about the "profits going directly into the game", or something that was more rumor than anything else. We shouldn't be shamed into feeling like we need a cash shop just because SE won't give Yoshi's team the resources they need.

People are already upset with the FF14 store (Cruise Chaser for example).
The difference is wow do it in a worse way than Square Enix, plus the fact the game is being supported partially or fully from the revenues and not end up in CEO pocket like in Blizzard, I think makes people more forgiving.

But the day we'd get a FF token, hell will break loose.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

"that. other. game " lol

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Sorry but I am just sick and tired of the lets compare this to WoW threads - they get repetitive.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

token?

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You never heard of wow token, yet you praise how blizzard runs their store? X on that one.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

token?

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You can buy a WoW token for real money and sell it for ingame gold. This is legalized RMT. Such a thing does not exist in FF14. Everything you buy in the cash shop is not sellable for Gil ingame. But yes, the amount of things you can buy in the mogry station is big.

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In a word, no. I don't think people will complain that much, beyond the usual complainers we expect to see every patch.

Seems like a trend with OP when he don't get people to agree with his negativity he outs and say "solved" or "please delete" and delete all his replies.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Seems like a trend with OP when he don't get people to agree with his negativity he outs and say "solved" or "please delete" and delete all his replies.

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That is the reason why i always push the "Quote" button. :)

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Seems like a trend with OP when he don't get people to agree with his negativity he outs and say "solved" or "please delete" and delete all his replies.

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They're either trolling or just wants an echo chamber.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

People are already upset with the FF14 store (Cruise Chaser for example).
The difference is wow do it in a worse way than Square Enix, plus the fact the game is being supported partially or fully from the revenues and not end up in CEO pocket like in Blizzard, I think makes people more forgiving.

But the day we'd get a FF token, hell will break loose.

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Yes, this is pretty much it. And to add to that, there's a lot of variety and choice for in game items that aren't on the store to satisfy glamours, mounts, minions and decorations, so in that sense I don't think you feel deprives but maybe some FOMO of some cool stuff that goes on that. But either way, I think it alleviates that complaint somewhere.

Comparing it to some other games (and this excludes WoW) where it feels too much is on the cash shop where if I want to personalise my character's style a bit, the chances are I'm gonna have to go to the cash shop.

I can just say that most people have bought something from the mog station. When I wait in starting areas, even new players usually get out one of their mog station mounts. Most people don't have a problem with it in this game and those that do can accept it because the game is good.

One thing that is interesting is yoshi-p doesn't show the unobtained mounts in the mount guide because it would make people feel they have to buy mog station mounts for completion and that isn't his intention.

A lot of the items on the mog station were available for free in seasonal events, so if you missed out on those items they are willing to let you have them still if you pay which is not something that happens for all games' seasonal event items.

Some of the items you shouldn't be able to obtain in the game, like gear from story characters where people dressing up as them too much would make the story characters less exciting and unique.

Wait can you just declare a thread closed? is that how this works?

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Originally Posted by OranKells

Wait can you just declare a thread closed? is that how this works?

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OP wishes that's how it works, at the very least. Sounds like they only want everyone to agree with them, then delete any replies they made to peeps and "close" their threads because they have a bad take entirely.

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Originally Posted by Doru_Nintendan

OP wishes that's how it works, at the very least. Sounds like they only want everyone to agree with them, then delete any replies they made to peeps and "close" their threads because they have a bad take entirely.

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That's just going to lead to people quoting and screen shotting everything they say. The internet cares not for those who wish to hide their tracks.

Doubt. It's a bit beyond just "Store bad", yeah, in game store for games you already pay a f'ton of money is bad, but the difference between FFXIV and WoW is that WoW literally throws the store at your face, it's integrated in the in-game UI, you press ESC and one of the options is Shop, you check your HUD on the bottom right corner and it's also there and Battlenet also puts a lot of focus when there's something new on the store, usually for the 6 month mounts/cosmetics.

The Mogstation is much more hidden and you kinda have to look for it and the launcher don't put quite so much focus on the new items nor it's always open on the background, as soon as you launch the game it closes up.

So in my opinion, WoW's store get a lot more hate due to being way more predatorial in nature compared to the Mogstation.

I dont need another game to compare, I already hate cashshops in any game. Monetization can never be better than a necessary evil.

The cash shop can never ever get the same hate as wow shop...cause we don't sell tokens. if Yoshi-P can keep tokens from the cash shop then we should be fine. No dumb and toxic garbage like WoW. Tokens have utterly ruined that game. I do not think Yoshi will let that happen here. He has learned alot playing WoW; The good and the bad.

There are some things we can pick up from them that is good. The token along with Toxicness is not one of them.

WoW's cash-shop is actually unironically better, simply due to the fact that you can buy everything in it (and by extension, virtually everything on the battle-net store) via in-game currency. Gold can be used to purchase WoW tokens, which can in turn be converted into battle-net balance. I was able to pay both my subscription to their game, as well as buy their latest expansion (thank god I got it for 'free' lmao) by spending gold I made by logging in for a few hours a week and messing with auctions.

Of course, some boosting guilds have been using this to do things like resell game keys or merch, but that's more a problem of boosting being allowed in the first place.

WoW's fandom hates the cash shop because they are overall older. They grew up in a time before Oblivion horse armor DLC was the norm. They saw the celestial steed added as a $25 mount and fought against it. On another WoW fan forum I post on (and even on the official WoW forums), FFXIV's cash shop is a hot topic of contention among other WoW players discussing FFXIV.

FFXIV's fandom is overall younger. They came into gaming at a time when DLC was normalized. Hence why you don't see much debate.

I don't think the overall opinion regarding FFXIV's cash shop will change. At the end of the day, FFXIV just doesn't appeal to the average WoW player. Most WoW players aren't switching to FFXIV. They're dropping out of the MMO genre entirely because there is no other game with the same appeal. The people who are making the switch are too few in number and will just be a vocal minority.

Also, as aforementioned, Blizzard's PR has been absolutely terrible over the past several years. On top of the game being bad and unfun to play, on top of Blizzard mocking their customers, you have the cash shop, so seeing a new mount being added is another straw that is breaking the camel's back for many people. It was really bad during WoD when you had mounts that were associated with factions being added to the cash shop, rather than being unlocked as a part of that faction's reputation system as was expected. (Imagine if the Beast Tribe mounts were only obtainable from the cash shop, despite the fact you did daily quests using them and saw the tribe you were doing quests for was using those mounts in cutscenes). FFXIV on the other hand generally has good PR and doesn't alienate their customers.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

Do You Think FF XIV Will Start Getting The Hate WoW Gets Because of The Cash Shop?

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Real question, did something bring this question about?
Maybe I'm just getting too caught up with the specifics of the wording, but everyone already has their own opinions on the cash shop. Did something happen that might "start getting hate?" Did something about the cash shop change?

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

You can buy a WoW token for real money and sell it for ingame gold. This is legalized RMT. Such a thing does not exist in FF14. Everything you buy in the cash shop is not sellable for Gil ingame. But yes, the amount of things you can buy in the mogry station is big.

Cheers

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WoW's fandom hates the cash shop because they are overall older. They grew up in a time before Oblivion horse armor DLC was the norm. They saw the celestial steed added as a $25 mount and fought against it. On another WoW fan forum I post on (and even on the official WoW forums), FFXIV's cash shop is a hot topic of contention among other WoW players discussing FFXIV.

FFXIV's fandom is overall younger. They came into gaming at a time when DLC was normalized. Hence why you don't see much debate.

I don't think the overall opinion regarding FFXIV's cash shop will change. At the end of the day, FFXIV just doesn't appeal to the average WoW player. Most WoW players aren't switching to FFXIV. They're dropping out of the MMO genre entirely because there is no other game with the same appeal. The people who are making the switch are too few in number and will just be a vocal minority.

Also, as aforementioned, Blizzard's PR has been absolutely terrible over the past several years. On top of the game being bad and unfun to play, on top of Blizzard mocking their customers, you have the cash shop, so seeing a new mount being added is another straw that is breaking the camel's back for many people. It was really bad during WoD when you had mounts that were associated with factions being added to the cash shop, rather than being unlocked as a part of that faction's reputation system as was expected. (Imagine if the Beast Tribe mounts were only obtainable from the cash shop, despite the fact you did daily quests using them and saw the tribe you were doing quests for was using those mounts in cutscenes). FFXIV on the other hand generally has good PR and doesn't alienate their customers.

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I don't think generally speaking the age has a huge effect here but go on.

I'm old enough to remember playing wow on launch and this, the main difference I see if blizz hads 25-30 euro mounts and may add a lesser version in the game, or use predatory methods locking people in for 6 month sub to get a mount (that is later added to the store).

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Originally Posted by Doru_Nintendan

Would explain a lot. Tried to look into former threads by this person, all i see is "Delete topic" or "eh, whatever" in everything they typed up. If it bothers them that much that they can be quoted, then they should get off the forums entirely.

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Indeed. If you look through the threads they erase the initial post (since they can't delete it) and fully delete the rest. So checking their post history alone isn't even seeing the full scale of how much they're doing this.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Real question, did something bring this question about?
Maybe I'm just getting too caught up with the specifics of the wording, but everyone already has their own opinions on the cash shop. Did something happen that might "start getting hate?" Did something about the cash shop change?

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I'm pretty sure they're just looking for reliably controversial arguments that will get people replying to them.

Nope because you can't just buy a gil token to buy carries like in wow

1, No buying gil in the store like wow's token
2, FF14 still gets unique mounts in game rather than all non-reskins being put on the shop
3, The profits from the store go directly into the game
and 4, It is a necessary evil that yoshi p agreed to, so he and his team could have full development freedom without square's input

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Nope because you can't just buy a gil token to buy carries like in wow

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

1, No buying gil in the store like wow's token
2, FF14 still gets unique mounts in game rather than all non-reskins being put on the shop
3, The profits from the store go directly into the game
and 4, It is a necessary evil that yoshi p agreed to, so he and his team could have full development freedom without square's input

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Do you guys even read the initial post or do you just read the thread title and leap in to reply with your opinion on the general subject?

Does the complete lack of text in the initial post not make you question what's happening here?

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Do you guys even read the initial post or do you just read the thread title and leap in to reply with your opinion on the general subject?

Does the complete lack of text in the initial post not make you question what's happening here?

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Kinda hard to when OP deleted what he said, leaving only the title. ;)

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

The cash shop can never ever get the same hate as wow shop...cause we don't sell tokens. if Yoshi-P can keep tokens from the cash shop then we should be fine. No dumb and toxic garbage like WoW. Tokens have utterly ruined that game. I do not think Yoshi will let that happen here. He has learned alot playing WoW; The good and the bad.

There are some things we can pick up from them that is good. The token along with Toxicness is not one of them.

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I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone speak this badly of tokens. The heck happened since I quit lol?? Most people I've talked to loved them. But I guess I knew a bunch of people with enough gold to basically play the game free forever so??? Is that it???

I'd say Blizzard's other immensely questionable design and development choices had far more to do with ruining that game than any cash shop decision they've ever made

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone speak this badly of tokens. The heck happened since I quit lol?? Most people I've talked to loved them. But I guess I knew a bunch of people with enough gold to basically play the game free forever so??? Is that it???

I'd say Blizzard's other immensely questionable design and development choices had far more to do with ruining that game than any cash shop decision they've ever made

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Not sure who you talked to but everyone myself included hate the wow token.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Not sure who you talked to but everyone myself included hate the wow token.

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Wild. The friends I talked to loved it because it meant they never had to actually spend a dime on the game anymore lmao
I was totally ambivalent toward it myself. I wasn't gonna buy any with cash or gold so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Wild. The friends I talked to loved it because it meant they never had to actually spend a dime on the game anymore lmao
I was totally ambivalent toward it myself. I wasn't gonna buy any with cash or gold so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I recall hearing some complaints that it has become more difficult to passively farm gold since it was added, basically trying to nudge more players towards buying them.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone speak this badly of tokens.

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I paid my sub + expac access through token from their inception in WoD to BfA. So, my initial relationship with them was pure love. What happened was two fold of: buying carries from selling tokens and using those clears for quick access to content. Made worse (from what I have observed through fascination) by locking progression behind time consuming grinds. Grinds easily bypassed by a paid carry. I can see where this love went to hell easily now.

Ahh yeah I can see that. I stopped playing anything close to seriously after Legion so I guess maybe it just wasn't as bad yet then? Lol or the game's other issues were just too glaring for me to notice at the time idk
Anyway my only problems with the cash shop here are that there are mounts that aren't account wide and outfits that aren't dyeable. And food that can be consumed. Not great imo

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Wild. The friends I talked to loved it because it meant they never had to actually spend a dime on the game anymore lmao
I was totally ambivalent toward it myself. I wasn't gonna buy any with cash or gold so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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It started becoming hated because people realized the problem with the following:

Blizzard bans real money sales for carries and boosting, but not with gold
Wow token gives you gold, for real money, but the real money is going to blizzard, so boosting = okay if you're giving US the money
It's basically the definition of pay to win
People only seem to have realized this recently so wow tokens are hated by a good amount of people now

People to other F2P MMO's cash shop where they see cash shop ads every time they log in, pay directly in-game fight lootboxes within lootboxes, seasonal gacha, and buy upgrade materials/gear directly from the publisher: This is lit.



People to FF14 Mogstation's one-time purchase of cosmetic/skippers only (sometimes even account-wide), and they have to actively progress through unfriendly purchase process to get what they want outside of the game: Lose their mind.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Ahh yeah I can see that. I stopped playing anything close to seriously after Legion so I guess maybe it just wasn't as bad yet then?

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WoW is straight up p2w now, but it's mostly a side effect of bad game design left unmended. There's no character progression outside of what new powercreep gear is in the latest patch. During the leadup to the latest expansion (Shadowlands), you could create a brand new character and get max level + some of the best gear in all of like 3-5 days of casual play. And that's a conservative estimate, a neckbeard could do it in one day.

You take a break from WoW for one patch, your character is worse than some noob who played for (literally) less than a week. They've done it like that for a while. It's a rat race for the cheese, gear on a stick. People played it anyway, maybe they enjoy the content and the journey regardless. Over the last few years the player culture seems to have caught up with it and the fact WoW tokens can be purchased with real money and sold ingame. An economy sort of developed where everyone now buys and sells carries. Because anyone can get the best gear, a noob can get max level in a few days and tag along to a raid, lots of groups will let him come if he pays. There is no other progression, he's already made it, he's right in the latest content getting the best gear drops.

Nothing is gated if you have the gold. And you can buy the gold with real money through the WoW token, it's perfectly allowed. So...

FFXIV is not immune to this but it has character progression outside of just "get catchup gear, then go get newest gear". It has MSQ, multiple jobs to level, side content and such. It also has RMT banned.