A Tank's revelation

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10-16-2021, 10:10 AM
ArmaDragkun

A Tank's revelation

A while ago I made a post asking what the deal was with healers always wanting tanks to pull more packs and I appreciated the answers I got, as such I levelled up a healer and jumped into a few dungeons and healers...I understand now.

I didn't realise just how boring it is for you guys if the tank pulls small.

I'm progressing my way through the Shadowbrings main quest so I haven't hit end game yet or even max level dungeons but I just wanna say thanks to all the healers out there who never once got annoyed or angry at how slow I was in those earlier dungeons when I would pull maybe 2-3 mobs and dungeons no doubt took 10+ minutes longer then they should of done.

I always now try to pull at least 3+ packs of mobs (if the dungeon allows!) if I see a non sprout healer in my dungeon. I do slow down if they say it's their first time in the dungeon of course! (Made that mistake once and wiped the group I always check chat at the start of a dungeon now lol)
10-16-2021, 10:21 AM
SenorPatty

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

A while ago I made a post asking what the deal was with healers always wanting tanks to pull more packs and I appreciated the answers I got, as such I levelled up a healer and jumped into a few dungeons and healers...I understand now.

I didn't realise just how boring it is for you guys if the tank pulls small.

I'm progressing my way through the Shadowbrings main quest so I haven't hit end game yet or even max level dungeons but I just wanna say thanks to all the healers out there who never once got annoyed or angry at how slow I was in those earlier dungeons when I would pull maybe 2-3 mobs and dungeons no doubt took 10+ minutes longer then they should of done.

I always now try to pull at least 3+ packs of mobs (if the dungeon allows!) if I see a non sprout healer in my dungeon. I do slow down if they say it's their first time in the dungeon of course! (Made that mistake once and wiped the group I always check chat at the start of a dungeon now lol)

*cries tears of joy* Look how fast they grow up.

It's only matter of time now before you start doing napkin math in your head realize as a tank, you don't have to move out of every AoE because some instances, the damage is so pathetic, you'll start asking if its actually possible to die.

Idk if your healer will like that though...
10-16-2021, 10:35 AM
_Pigzig

Its only healers that get bored, I don't like AoE rotation
10-16-2021, 10:37 AM
Jeeqbit

It's a good point. If anyone thinks that big pulls are hard then they should consider leveling a healer and not healing until the tank gets below 50%. What you discover is that it isn't very common and without big pulls you probably won't need to heal at all.

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

Its only healers that get bored, I don't like AoE rotation

I get bored on DPS because doing my AoE rotation on 3 enemies is just boring. Fighting a war with my AoE rotation and knowing it will help the tank and healer to kill them faster though, I find that fun.
10-16-2021, 10:55 AM
Deveryn

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

*cries tears of joy* Look how fast they grow up.

It's only matter of time now before you start doing napkin math in your head realize as a tank, you don't have to move out of every AoE because some instances, the damage is so pathetic, you'll start asking if its actually possible to die.

Idk if your healer will like that though...

Any good healer will appreciate and the melees will appreciate it even more. Since I've been done chasing tank achieves, I've gone back to other classes and it's annoying / distracting when tanks move around so much where it's seldom needed.
10-16-2021, 10:55 AM
_Pigzig

Time for a leisurely stroll
I think Ill go into that side room and get that chest
10-16-2021, 10:59 AM
Izscha

Even as a tank its boring af to single pull, like for real you barely take damage CDs are useless and aoe in 1 pack is just meh
10-16-2021, 11:49 AM
nebby00

Huzzah! Finally someone gets it! This is why I recommend for everyone to play every role, you'll get a perspective of what people have to deal with and what is annoying and what isn't. Thank you OP, I now have restored hope in some tanks.

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10-16-2021, 01:29 PM
MilkieTea

YES! Single pack pulling is… SO boring. I’m glad you understand now ahah, it’s always fun getting someone willing to learn and better themselves!
10-16-2021, 03:24 PM
MistakeNot

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's a good point. If anyone thinks that big pulls are hard then they should consider leveling a healer and not healing until the tank gets below 50%. What you discover is that it isn't very common and without big pulls you probably won't need to heal at all.

Not needing to heal at all sounds like a very good thing to me.
10-16-2021, 03:31 PM
weebtext

It's always wonderful to see someone realize just how boring it is when you have nothing to do.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Not needing to play the game at all sounds like a very good thing to me.

Back to Netflix with ye!
10-16-2021, 03:38 PM
Yeol

Getting other roles perspectives is always good :) It helps people understand each other better.
10-16-2021, 03:50 PM
MistakeNot

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Originally Posted by weebtext

It's always wonderful to see someone realize just how boring it is when you have nothing to do.

Back to Netflix with ye!

If you are going to quote me, at least do not falsify the quote.
By lying about what I wrote you have shown yourself to be completely unreliable, so whatever point you were trying to make is null and void.
10-16-2021, 04:13 PM
MilkieTea

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

If you are going to quote me, at least do not falsify the quote.
By lying about what I wrote you have shown yourself to be completely unreliable, so whatever point you were trying to make is null and void.

Healing is playing the game.

By "not needing to heal" you've delegated the healer to pressing a single button on repeat ad nauseam. They do not need to "play the game" on their given class, because there is nothing to do.
10-16-2021, 04:52 PM
Endariel

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10-16-2021, 05:41 PM
Rinhi

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Not needing to heal at all sounds like a very good thing to me.

if you don't want to heal, why play healer?
10-16-2021, 06:25 PM
Jeeqbit

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Not needing to heal at all sounds like a very good thing to me.

To clarify, there are even some dungeons and pulls where you don't even need to heal big pulls, but it depends which pulls and the healing required is usually minimal and does not require a casted heal.
10-16-2021, 08:17 PM
MistakeNot

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Healing is playing the game.

By "not needing to heal" you've delegated the healer to pressing a single button on repeat ad nauseam. They do not need to "play the game" on their given class, because there is nothing to do.

There are other ways of playing the game than healing, you know.

When I play healer, I like not needing to do much healing. Makes the run far less stressful.
When I play tank, I like not needing to be healed much. Makes the run far less stressful.
10-16-2021, 08:40 PM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

There are other ways of playing the game than healing, you know.

When I play healer, I like not needing to do much healing. Makes the run far less stressful.
When I play tank, I like not needing to be healed much. Makes the run far less stressful.

You could always play DPS.
10-16-2021, 08:50 PM
weebtext

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

There are other ways of playing the game than healing, you know.

When I play healer, I like not needing to do much healing. Makes the run far less stressful.
When I play tank, I like not needing to be healed much. Makes the run far less stressful.

What about when you're a dps? If a video game is stressing you out maybe you should take a break or something.
10-16-2021, 08:56 PM
_Pigzig

Having basically never played healer in any MMO, can anyone tell me how good healer DPS is with le two buttons they apparantly push? Can you beat bad dps with your two buttons? I gotta try that sometime for entertainment if that's the case.
10-16-2021, 09:00 PM
Saefinn

Pretty much it. We healers want more to do. There is the added benefit of a quicker run too, but experienced healers will appreciate big pulls.

Newer and less confident healers won't, so I find a good policy when tanking is to play by ear or ask, especially in a Duty Finder scenario, because you don't know what your healer's skill level is.
10-16-2021, 09:00 PM
Nethereal

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

Having basically never played healer in any MMO, can anyone tell me how good healer DPS is with le two buttons they apparantly push? Can you beat bad dps with your two buttons? I gotta try that sometime for entertainment if that's the case.

Best case scenario in a vacuum WHM can beat every tank but gnb. If dps lose to a tank or a healer it's the player not the job.
10-16-2021, 09:20 PM
_Pigzig

So I'm guessing it happens all the time in stuff like MSQ roulette then.
10-16-2021, 09:21 PM
Jeeqbit

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

Having basically never played healer in any MMO, can anyone tell me how good healer DPS is with le two buttons they apparantly push? Can you beat bad dps with your two buttons? I gotta try that sometime for entertainment if that's the case.

You can absolutely beat a bad dps with your two buttons. If your enmity bar looks yellow that means you have the second most enmity after the tank. A healer should not have a yellow bar but this is what happens in normal dungeons, trials and raids.
10-16-2021, 09:44 PM
TheMightyMollusk

I made an alt to level as a pure healer just to see what it's like, and.....You know when you're on DPS, and get synched into a low-level dungeon, and it feels so slow and boring because you have so few skills to use? Imagine that, with the occasional spot of throwing an OGCD regen on someone, and you've got the healer's struggle in almost any slow dungeon.

That said, it's also dependent on the tank having the gear and knowledge to actually survive long enough to get healed. So, it's a balancing act.
10-16-2021, 09:44 PM
Jettinson

Honestly after Castrum Meridianum, I thought more people would love to pull more.

I think I just love having a huge amount of enemies all grouped up Dynasty Warrior style and then just get decimated lol.
But yes, single pull tend to be very boring for all classes. Dps want to unleash their big damage too and making use of their damage buff as well.
10-16-2021, 10:23 PM
Reinha

Thank you for being awesome! You walked in someone else's shoes to see their perspective. Everyone should be open to learning something new.

I've seen this "got to avoid stressing the healers" nonsense being posted and you can just tell those players either never tried healing or maybe they didn't have any gear equipped. I don't know how else one could think that healing dungeons is stressful. Actually I tried healing Antitower without gear back in the day and even that wasn't stressful. :D
10-16-2021, 11:56 PM
Hysorn

I mean, it's boring for the tank too, when you get in a group with an inexperienced healer, pulling pack by pack is boring as hell.
10-17-2021, 01:50 AM
Jeeqbit

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

I mean, it's boring for the tank too, when you get in a group with an inexperienced healer, pulling pack by pack is boring as hell.

When a tank does big pulls, they can take 25%, 50% or 75% of the burden, leaving the rest for the healer.

With an experienced healer the tank can just take 25-50% of the burden, but with an inexperienced healer sometimes you have to take 75% of the burden as a tank. So it is possible in a leveling dungeon for a really experienced and confident tank to still pull big with an inexperienced healer that doesn't press anything other than Cure 1 a few times, but it's probably not something an average dungeon tank would manage because most tanks in a dungeon are still learning to tank.