What Is Gonna Happen To Egis?

I noticed that Emerald Carbuncle (which I assume is one of the Egis using a Egi glamour) didn't really do much when in its base form in the trailers. While the new summoner abilities are really cool (especially the Vortical, Craggy, and Infernal Trances), I still hope Ifrit-Egi, Titan-Egi, and Garuda-Egi still have a place in the game, even if it's just passive buffs.

Carbuncle is your pet, you can glamour him to look like the 3 current egi if you want. He didn't attack or anything in the showcase but if he does do anything it will likely be auto attacks only.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

Carbuncle is your pet, you can glamour him to look like the 3 current egi if you want. He didn't attack or anything in the showcase but if he does do anything it will likely be auto attacks only.

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Do you have confirmation on Carbuncle being your only pet? Because that would mess with the abilities you get at certain SMN quests. What I think is more likely is that, similar to Eos and Selene being made the same in Shadowbringers, Summon I (Emerald Carbuncle and later Garuda Egi), Summon II (Topaz Carbuncle and later Titan Egi), and Summon III (Ifrit Egi) will be functionally the same in Endwalker, with you still being able to glamour them as a Carbuncle.

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Originally Posted by Styrmwyda

Do you have confirmation on Carbuncle being your only pet? Because that would mess with the abilities you get at certain SMN quests. What I think is more likely is that, similar to Eos and Selene being made the same in Shadowbringers, Summon I (Emerald Carbuncle and later Garuda Egi), Summon II (Topaz Carbuncle and later Titan Egi), and Summon III (Ifrit Egi) will be functionally the same in Endwalker, with you still being able to glamour them as a Carbuncle.

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There was only one pet summon ability shown.
Instead of being Egis, Garuda, Titan and Ifrit have new summon skills that fit into your rotation.

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Originally Posted by Styrmwyda

Do you have confirmation on Carbuncle being your only pet? Because that would mess with the abilities you get at certain SMN quests. What I think is more likely is that, similar to Eos and Selene being made the same in Shadowbringers, Summon I (Emerald Carbuncle and later Garuda Egi), Summon II (Topaz Carbuncle and later Titan Egi), and Summon III (Ifrit Egi) will be functionally the same in Endwalker, with you still being able to glamour them as a Carbuncle.

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After the break following part 1 Yoshida said "I misspoke about egi glamour, the egi doesn't glamour into carbuncle, it's the reverse. Carbuncle in your base pet and you can change its appearance."

Plus, all tooltips shown involving pets name Carbuncle directly as a requirement for summoning.

In the benchmark, ifrit egi was there and was autoattacking the target. I hope the stationary pet on guard was only dev tool nonsense causing things to not behave as they normally would. 'Cause I still want my pet class dammit.

As far as we know, Egi's are just gloried minions that follow you around and are a place holder for Demi and Primal stance.

We're gonna eat them.

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Originally Posted by Roda

In the benchmark, ifrit egi was there and was autoattacking the target. I hope the stationary pet on guard was only dev tool nonsense causing things to not behave as they normally would. 'Cause I still want my pet class dammit.

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yesssss I see a lot of people saying good riddance to pets.. but the rework means you're essentially a caster that channel primals, otherwise known as 3 different modes/phases.. It wouldnt make any difference what so ever whether Ifrit/Titan/Garuda showed up for their glorious 2 whole seconds or not.. before you go back to casting spells by yourself (including the primal-themed spells you get depending on what mode you're in).. It may be more faithful to traditional summoners in other FF games.. but its absolutely not a "summoner" that Summons things anymore.. Its just fancy flavorful spells that match 1 of 3 primals... Would losing all that make SMNs unique (pets and dots) be worth it? I doubt they would hold up against, say, a BLM in Dps still even after being shoved into a more traditional caster mold.

Yet again.. im new to FFXIV. Have to give it a try when its released to see.. but this and SCH's combat peloton. .

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Originally Posted by Ailuron

yesssss I see a lot of people saying good riddance to pets.. but the rework means you're essentially a caster that channel primals, otherwise known as 3 different modes/phases.. It wouldnt make any difference what so ever whether Ifrit/Titan/Garuda showed up for their glorious 2 whole seconds or not.. before you go back to casting spells by yourself (including the primal-themed spells you get depending on what mode you're in).. It may be more faithful to traditional summoners in other FF games.. but its absolutely not a "summoner" that Summons things anymore.. Its just fancy flavorful spells that match 1 of 3 primals... Would losing all that make SMNs unique (pets and dots) be worth it? I doubt they would hold up against, say, a BLM in Dps still even after being shoved into a more traditional caster mold.

Yet again.. im new to FFXIV. Have to give it a try when its released to see.. but this and SCH's combat peloton. .

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SMN was never a dot class to begin with in any other Final Fantasy game. You can kind of day that it has gone back to its original core from past FF games before FF 10 came out. When smn first came out in FF14 it just felt like a wanna be warlock from WOW with the whole dot system. I just hope eventually you will be able to command the Summons more instead of them appearing and doing a attack and then vanishing like it's OG FF7 or FF8 lol.

I think what many are struggling to accept is this:We all recognized that pet AI in this game has been absolutely awful. This isn't a secret, everyone knows it. We have let our thoughts be known about how bad they have been, and SE has done A LOT to try and fix it.

And they have not been able to. Every new iteration of the controls of the fairies and the Egi's have been met with dislike and scorn from the fanbase and requests for another rework on them. At some point as a dev team you have to look at it and go "How much more time are we gonna sink into this problem, before maybe just acknowledging the problem isn't one we can fix, and the best way we could handle it is by removing the problem." That's what we are seeing with both SMN and SCH this expansion. SE finally saying "We've tried everything we got, it did not work. Pets are now there for flavor only."

I think this is SE finally acknowledging they just will not be able to fix pets in this game and just stating they are there for flavor and lore reasons only. Demi's also seem to have become less interactive as it looks like they no longer attack when the smn attacks and also don't follow your movements, the only action you make them do is Enkindle outside of that they spit out damage on their own.

Which look I get why that frustrates some. I get why people who really love pet based mechanics would feel really angered about this. But I also can get why at some point continuously trying to fix something that is broken to shit over and over again just is no longer reasonable.

Now that the pet is streamlined and there are no egis it would be nice to finally see the pet glamour they promised years ago, especially since it's really only cosmetic now.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

SMN was never a dot class to begin with in any other Final Fantasy game. You can kind of day that it has gone back to its original core from past FF games before FF 10 came out. When smn first came out in FF14 it just felt like a wanna be warlock from WOW with the whole dot system. I just hope eventually you will be able to command the Summons more instead of them appearing and doing a attack and then vanishing like it's OG FF7 or FF8 lol.

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I mean if you want to be technical. FF summoners were mostly white mages, excluding Rydia, that can summon.
Even in 5 and tactics, you wanted backup magic because summoning was costly and long.

The only game that had a pure summoner was FF3 with Evoker/ Summoner and well Sage was outright better because it could use summon magic and black and white magic.

Now that I think about it. If Egi's no longer matter or have a major part to play for the Summoner.. What will happen to all the job quests that unlocks the egi now? since they dont mean anything anymore, egis doesnt matter what so ever. Now it would be getting the gems to channel each primal mode or something.. which... is... sighhh... not the same as unlocking a pet.. im greiving rn it was one of the more interesting things about SMN job quests, to unlock and use the pet when leveling SMN :'(

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Originally Posted by Ailuron

Now that I think about it. If Egi's no longer matter or have a major part to play for the Summoner.. What will happen to all the job quests that unlocks the egi now? since they dont mean anything anymore, egis doesnt matter what so ever. Now it would be getting the gems to channel each primal mode or something.. which... is... sighhh... not the same as unlocking a pet.. im greiving rn it was one of the more interesting things about SMN job quests, to unlock and use the pet when leveling SMN :'(

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So, apparently the tooltips for the gem summons are level 90. This implies they're upgrades to something previous.

You probably still have Egis, but the Egis 'grow up' into gem summons later; probably due to some sort of coexistance with the carbuncle.

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Originally Posted by Gruntler

So, apparently the tooltips for the gem summons are level 90. This implies they're upgrades to something previous.

You probably still have Egis, but the Egis 'grow up' into gem summons later; probably due to some sort of coexistance with the carbuncle.

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ahh i see that makes sense

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Originally Posted by Ailuron

Now that I think about it. If Egi's no longer matter or have a major part to play for the Summoner.. What will happen to all the job quests that unlocks the egi now? since they dont mean anything anymore, egis doesnt matter what so ever. Now it would be getting the gems to channel each primal mode or something.. which... is... sighhh... not the same as unlocking a pet.. im greiving rn it was one of the more interesting things about SMN job quests, to unlock and use the pet when leveling SMN :'(

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I suppose they'll retcon a lot of job lore stuff though?

They are removing the sects from Astro among other things that look like would mess up job quest lore...

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I suppose they'll retcon a lot of job lore stuff though?

They are removing the sects from Astro among other things that look like would mess up job quest lore...

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There are only a handful of times that the lore wouldn't work in the quests. Specifically when your egi manifest outside of combat. Examples like when trying to track down who's killing people Mhitra asking you to summon Ifrit or when Titan manifests to save you from enemy Hellfire

I wonder if, since Carbuncle will now be your main pet for Arcanist and Summoner, if the Arcanist Deep Dungeon sprite (one of only two starting class Dungeon sprites that are different from the full job's sprite, the other being Archer), which shows an Emerald Carbuncle instead of a Garuda-Egi, will be also used for Summoner's Deep Dungeon sprite?

Can anyone else even see Titan, Ifrit and Garuda that pop up for two seconds? I thought they said something about them only being seen by the player. If so, this change is disappointing.

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Originally Posted by KitKatnip

Can anyone else even see Titan, Ifrit and Garuda that pop up for two seconds? I thought they said something about them only being seen by the player. If so, this change is disappointing.

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You could see them from an outside view during the job actions video so i assume they are visible to other players.

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Originally Posted by KitKatnip

Can anyone else even see Titan, Ifrit and Garuda that pop up for two seconds? I thought they said something about them only being seen by the player. If so, this change is disappointing.

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I THINK they mean you have a command similar to /bahamutsize to resize them (like in the demo) so if you don't want the bigger models popping up you don't need to.

Can I resize them to be bigger then normal tho? :)

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Can I resize them to be bigger then normal tho? :)

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i wish i could resize egis to size of bahamut! XD would be cool!

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Originally Posted by Fellgon

i wish i could resize egis to size of bahamut! XD would be cool!

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GIGABUNCLE

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Originally Posted by KitKatnip

Can anyone else even see Titan, Ifrit and Garuda that pop up for two seconds? I thought they said something about them only being seen by the player. If so, this change is disappointing.

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You do understand that a lot of gaming systems would not be able to handle that right? Imagine an alliance raid and multiple smns use summons at the same time? Not only some people will experience crashes but players will be blinded by the animations