My Final Fantasy - A HEELS CONCEPT

Hello everyone,

Some of you may have previously messaged or seen my other forum about the viera heels. I figured that forum was a bust so in order to demonstrate my idea, it's better to show everyone a concept and explain further, please ignore my previous forum post and let's start over.

Before anyone mentions it in the comments, I am not insinuating all heels in general should be Viera exclusive. I am a believer in a more variety of shoes in the game in general should be implemented for every race, but as an individual who loves to stand by the Ivalician viera appearance I think the option to crop down our standard viera heels would be beneficial and expand our choices in clothing to a great extent. So, what do I mean by that you may ask?

Here, we have an example of trousers I'd love to wear. A Dalmscan appearance, stylish and not to mention looks AMAZING on my character... but if I were to pair it with my my current viera heels - it crops and essentially ruins the entire thing (In my personal opinion)

https://i.ibb.co/ZN8tsYB/vierashoeswrgwerg.png https://i.ibb.co/f2QrPVd/vierashoesbkwjgbkwjrbg.png"

I love the thigh-high heels, but it really limits what we can wear. The solution? A simple copy and paste job of our standard viera heels and crop them down from thigh-high to ankle-height, maybe even impliment a 'crop' button for the standard heels so its *TECHNICALLY* still just the standard item for the viera, but with the option to slightly adjust so we can finally wear trousers while keeping our Viera aesthetic.

https://i.ibb.co/vLLnmMS/thumbnail-v...eswrgwerg2.png

https://i.ibb.co/j33rHyJ/vierapose.png https://i.ibb.co/cv2KS4X/rgwergerger222.png

While I know this thread may not appeal to those who are not a viera main, especially those other races who are always yearning for more options, I do not think my request is unfair.

Viera's are known for their heels, the developers of SE have even previously stated that considering they were very well aware in FF12 viera's feet tended to digitigrade, it was a very defining fashion sense for the race. You won't witness a lalafel wearing viera shoes - so no, these particular rabbit shoes are not for other races. I do not consider this 'gender/race-locking' as this is a matter of viera obtaining viera shoes.

The photo that inspired the idea:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/48...9b1fa51c19.jpg

I'll end this on another note; more heels overall should be implemented in the game as the 2B boots have proven to be amazing and popular, but please try keeping this topic about viera having the option to crop down our standard heels so we are able to wear trousers :)

Thank you and I'd love to hear your opinions.

That would be a cool concept if they could give such an option to Viera. As of now, I mostly use the 2B boots since it has more or less the same shape as the racial Viera sandals.

However, I don't think the devs would go through with it and I would prefer more hair options to make my Viera more unique that way for both female (and male in EW which my Viera is going to swap to immediately) so that for the most part you wouldn't run into Viera that look exactly the same or way too similar to your own. As it is right now, Viera are limited more so than the other races (exception being Hrothgar, poor guys) and even though in Endwalker we will be able to get some modern aesthetics hairstyles, though this is only seemingly confirmed for the females, not the males.

It would be nice, but I doubt they'll consider it.

Until that happens, have you considered using any of the Bonewicca feet gear, or is that too armored up for your liking? All except the scouting and maiming shoes have heels.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Before anyone mentions it in the comments, I am not insinuating all heels in general should be Viera exclusive. ...

Viera's are known for their heels, the developers of SE have even previously stated that considering they were very well aware in FF12 viera's feet tended to digitigrade, it was a very defining fashion sense for the race. You won't witness a lalafel wearing viera shoes - so no, these particular rabbit shoes are not for other races. I do not consider this 'gender/race-locking' as this is a matter of viera obtaining viera shoes.

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Sure sounds like you're looking for a race (and gender) exclusive option.

IMO they should have made Viera feet digitigrade but they didn't so here we are. If humanoform Viera feet can wear those anklebusters well then every other race sure can.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Until that happens, have you considered using any of the Bonewicca feet gear, or is that too armored up for your liking? All except the scouting and maiming shoes have heels.

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Hello,
Thank you for your suggestion! :) I just googled the shoes, I'd imagine they could be an interesting choice if I were to try out a tank.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Sure sounds like you're looking for a race (and gender) exclusive option.

IMO they should have made Viera feet digitigrade but they didn't so here we are. If humanoform Viera feet can wear those anklebusters well then every other race sure can.

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It still would be the standard viera shoes but with the option to cut them down so we are able to wear trousers. I'm not sure where the whole mentality of "Timothy got a bike, so I want a PS5" comes from.. I'm not saying all heels from here on out should be for the viera, I am merely stating an idea so I can broaden my wardrobe while maintaining a trademark-viera appearance.

While I am aware that FF12 and FF14 are different games, the developers still stated that heels are a very defining feature of the viera, and the viera could only be implemented if they were given normal feet. I dont mind not having digitigrade feet and am grateful for them still being put in the game... But I would still like to keep up the appearance of looking like a Dalmascan. This small change will not affect anyone's game negatively.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Until that happens, have you considered using any of the Bonewicca feet gear, or is that too armored up for your liking? All except the scouting and maiming shoes have heels.

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Doesn't really go well with all mogs tho.
It's kinda like glowy hands on MNK, the fact that they take up your glove spot too and changes their appearance kinda ruins most mogs :(.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Doesn't really go well with all mogs tho.
It's kinda like glowy hands on MNK, the fact that they take up your glove spot too and changes their appearance kinda ruins most mogs :(.

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Yeah, I usually use the Bonewicca footwear on my more armored up glamours to be honest, specifically the fending, aiming and healing glams. The striking and casting footwear are clawed and calf-length, and can pair up pretty well with more feral/wild glams like the Warg and Paglth'an sets, especially since they're dyeable as well.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Doesn't really go well with all mogs tho.
It's kinda like glowy hands on MNK, the fact that they take up your glove spot too and changes their appearance kinda ruins most mogs :(.

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Yeah like I said it's a fantastic suggestion and would be a good substitute for certain job classes, but I think I would struggle to find clothes to pair it with while the viera sandals do tend to fit most outfits where the legs are on-show.

I dont see why this should be exclusive to only Vierra. I have many trousrees/skirts that get cut off by wearing certain shoes. Like the 2B shoes. The armor chest version completely cuts of any type of pants you wearing. And the only cut off versions are the set pieces you cant wear on crafters/gatherers.

They should focus on the ability to be able to wear boots under or over pants respectively. And not on an exclusive pair of shoes only Vierra can wear.

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Originally Posted by Juun

I dont see why this should be exclusive to only Vierra.

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Because in this instance what's being asked for is a slight modification to shoes that are already exclusive to Viera, not thigh boots in general.

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Originally Posted by Juun

I dont see why this should be exclusive to only Vierra. I have many trousrees/skirts that get cut off by wearing certain shoes. Like the 2B shoes. The armor chest version completely cuts of any type of pants you wearing. And the only cut off versions are the set pieces you cant wear on crafters/gatherers.

They should focus on the ability to be able to wear boots under or over pants respectively. And not on an exclusive pair of shoes only Vierra can wear.

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This is the type of comments I attempted to avoid. There seems to be a lot of "Other races exist too" arguments and I'm just stating now, it's not a relevant argument to make. Your race is not defined by a specific fashion sense as the Miqo'te were only implemented in FFXIV while the Viera have been around for many years and having feet that digitigrade therefore need heels, I am trying to keep my appearance of a stereotypical viera.

Like I previously mentioned a couple times and even in my OG post, the viera are known for their heels. - I know FF14 is obviously the first game of the franchise for a lot of people therefore have no general idea about the viera, but I previously played the games where Viera's have a distinctive fashion sense and that is down to their heels and clothes. You will never see a human or any other race in the FF series wearing Viera heels or clothes.

I am only asking if we can have an option crop our already-existing standard heels so we can keep one our distinctive viera feature. I am not asking the developers to work overtime and come up with a closet-full of shoes only for the viera to wear, I am not insinuating Square Enix shouldn't make heels for other races so please just leave the irrelevant topic of other races out of this discussion, I tried my hardest to avoid people saying "Heels for everyone" by overly-explaining everything to the best of my ability in my OG post.

The viera having the option to crop down our sandals will not ruin your game, it will not cause riots, it has no downsides other than the people who don't realize that if its such a big deal then fantasia's exist.

in thinking about it, sure, this is a reasonable request if they also give viera lore appropriate feet as well.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

in thinking about it, sure, this is a reasonable request if they also give viera lore appropriate feet as well.

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The developers, according to numerous sources, suggested that viera's having digitigrade feet is too complicated to implement it in the game. It would have reduced our shoe choices to an unbelievable extent and that is the only reason why the viera's have human feet.

This does not disregard the lore of the race or instantly mean "Everyone should have the viera shoes" - I personally believe if the developers had the chance, time and effort they would have implemented the digitigrade feet. I accepted the fact that I can't use majority of the unlockable hair styles in the game, I accepted that majority of the hats within the game will not be an option for me to wear. The miqo'te on the otherhand have no issues, being the most popular race due to the wide variety of glamour choices and access to both hats and unlockable hairstyles, do not have a right to complain about missing out on not having the standard viera heels.

Like I said, and will continue to preach, my idea will open up more opportunities for outfits to those, like myself, who want to continue looking like a Viera. I also believe if this idea is implemented, it would greatly benefit Square Enix into brainstorming more ideas when it comes to fashion within FFXIV.

Right,

I know there's a sentence in the "welcome to the forum" post that asks 'no bumping the thread' but I believe my thread should be given another chance considering the amount of thought and work I put into it, even went to the extent to learn photoshop. The reason why it deserves another chance? Because I refuse to allow continuous and obvious troll threads to drown out my idea to the point where they are a continuous hot topic, while my own concept is thrown at the back.

not sure heels are worth a ban over myself, but as they say, I dont pay your sub and I am not your mother, so... feel free ^^

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

not sure heels are worth a ban over myself, but as they say, I dont pay your sub and I am not your mother, so... feel free ^^

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It's barely classed as an offence and even so, it can't result in a ban as far as I'm aware, I've read both "Welcome to Forum: General Discussion" and the official link for forum guidelines https://support.eu.square-enix.com/r...la=2&tag=forum

I already stated why I posted that previous message and it's beyond just wanting heels, its because it deserves another chance so more people can atleast comment/give feedback instead of constantly giving troll-threads attention, while genuine ideas/brainstorms about the game are always outshined by these threads that are simply trying to get a rise out of people.

I get that it's kind of an "illusion" where the exposed skin is really just part of the sandal itself and it behaves like every other thigh boot, but compared to other 'closed' thigh boots where the pant legs could feasibly go under the boot and you wouldn't be able to see them, with the Viera sandals it looks a bit more strange because they just get cut off and show your skin instead.

Like you said though, I don't know if this will gain much traction since it only really applies to people playing female Viera but it's a very clear request with pictures and all, so I don't have much else to add other than it'd be nice if they considered it. :)

If devs make a 2nd version for fem Viera it opens the gate for everyone else to ask for their race/gender to get a 2nd version as well.

I know this is a niche request for select group of players but I like the idea of it for female Viera players. I don’t know how much traction you’ll get but I’m hoping your thread gets noticed.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Hello,
Thank you for your suggestion! :) I just googled the shoes, I'd imagine they could be an interesting choice if I were to try out a tank.

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Keep in mind the shoes I think he's talking about are only for striking, scouting and aiming. Everything else are flats.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

If devs make a 2nd version for fem Viera it opens the gate for everyone else to ask for their race/gender to get a 2nd version as well.

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I do understand why it would cause a ruckus of "But I want something too", that mentality seems to be very common in FFXIV, in particular the forums for some reason, even though that argument in this case is completely invalid. The viera appeared in FFXII, FFXII: Revenant wings, Final Fantasy Tactics advance, Tactics A2: Grimoire of the rift, Final Fantasy Tactics S and in a variety of art concepts and fan drawings, they all have been seen and known for wearing shorter heels albiet the very rare occasion of wearing flats, so there is definitely no comparison to the races of 14 in this debate. I know people seem to have the suspicion that if viera have this then it'll be somewhat unfair, I disagree as no one have specifically stated a real reason as to why my concept is unreasonable other than "I want something too". But by all means, if the developers feel like they can brainstorm new ideas for the standard shoes of the different races (Which I doubt because of what I previously stated) I don't see why not.

I am googling the Miqo'te as we speak, there's no defining fashion sense considering they have only been in one game, this applies to the Au Ra, Lalafels (Even though this is their second game) and the list goes on they do not have any distinctive outfits, nor have they to back up a reason for wanting their standard shoes to also have an adjust option other than "viera have it, so why cant I" - I've said this before, I understand FF14 is a first game for many people but the argument of other races vs viera is not a reliable comparison to make.

im pretty sure the viera sandles (much like the 2b boots) replaces the entire leg model from the thigh down to a slightly slimmer version so it isnt immediatly obvious that the higher ankle on the shoe is canibalising part of the calf.

It's not to say that we can't have an ankle high version of the viera sandles, but expect it to look as slightly awkward as every other high heel that doesnt replace the leg model, and probably not as good as the current viera sandles.

https://pasteboard.co/7c1b447e-5557-4cf4-b6cf-ac57b5002fdd

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

im pretty sure the viera sandles (much like the 2b boots) replaces the entire leg model from the thigh down to a slightly slimmer version so it isnt immediatly obvious that the higher ankle on the shoe is canibalising part of the calf.

It's not to say that we can't have an ankle high version of the viera sandles, but expect it to look as slightly awkward as every other high heel that doesnt replace the leg model, and probably not as good as the current viera sandles.

https://pasteboard.co/7c1b447e-5557-4cf4-b6cf-ac57b5002fdd

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Oooh, thank you for sharing this. I've never actually considered how much the already-existing sandals make our legs essentially thinner... Maybe it's not as much of a 'just copy and paste our shoes, make them shorter and be done with it' job as I assumed.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I do understand why it would cause a ruckus of "But I want something too", that mentality seems to be very common in FFXIV, in particular the forums for some reason, even though that argument in this case is completely invalid. The viera appeared in FFXII, FFXII: Revenant wings, Final Fantasy Tactics advance, Tactics A2: Grimoire of the rift, Final Fantasy Tactics S and in a variety of art concepts and fan drawings, they all have been seen and known for wearing shorter heels albiet the very rare occasion of wearing flats, so there is definitely no comparison to the races of 14 in this debate. I know people seem to have the suspicion that if viera have this then it'll be somewhat unfair, I disagree as no one have specifically stated a real reason as to why my concept is unreasonable other than "I want something too". But by all means, if the developers feel like they can brainstorm new ideas for the standard shoes of the different races (Which I doubt because of what I previously stated) I don't see why not.

I am googling the Miqo'te as we speak, there's no defining fashion sense considering they have only been in one game, this applies to the Au Ra, Lalafels (Even though this is their second game) and the list goes on they do not have any distinctive outfits, nor have they to back up a reason for wanting their standard shoes to also have an adjust option other than "viera have it, so why cant I" - I've said this before, I understand FF14 is a first game for many people but the argument of other races vs viera is not a reliable comparison to make.

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That is a lot of words sidestepping the issue. It doesn't matter if in X they had Y because this is XIV, where every character gets one unique set. You get one set. Everyone gets one set.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

That is a lot of words sidestepping the issue. It doesn't matter if in X they had Y because this is XIV, where every character gets one unique set. You get one set. Everyone gets one set.

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How is it side-stepping an issue when I clearly stated, numerous times about the significance of viera's design? This may be 14, but that does not mean we can ignore all the previous games and the original outcry when Viera were originally implemented, the community were quite gutted they were given normal feet and thus a lack of the Viera aesthetic, my solution is to retain the aesthetic while having a wider variety of outfits to wear because thigh-high sandals can only be paired with specific outfits and does not work on trousers.

Viera's are unable to wear majority of hats and unlockable hairstyles, other races have no right to complain about the viera having a second option to a pre-existing standard heel. You still haven't told me a reasonable excuse as to why this concept should not be in the game and what the negatives would be, also majoritively, you have ignored my previous messages on the matter and can only seem to bring up the fact you believe everyone should have the same thing.. If people really deem a second option on the standard heel as a genuine unfair situation, wouldn't the logical thing to do would be to direct them to a fantasia potion?

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

How is it side-stepping an issue when I clearly stated, numerous times about the significance of viera's design? This may be 14, but that does not mean we can ignore all the previous games and the original outcry when Viera were originally implemented, the community were quite gutted they were given normal feet and thus a lack of the Viera aesthetic.

Viera's are unable to wear majority of hats and unlockable hairstyles, other races have no right to complain about the viera having a second option to a pre-existing standard heel. You still haven't told me a reasonable excuse as to why this concept should not be in the game and what the negatives would be, also majoritively, you have ignored my previous messages on the matter and can only seem to bring up the fact you believe everyone should have the same thing.. If people really deem a second option on the standard heel as a genuine unfair situation, wouldn't the logical thing to do would be to direct them to a fantasia potion?

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Any outcry over Viera being non Viera like should have been laughed at and nipped in the bud at the get-go. If we were more Viera like we would also be missing shoes and gloves on top of our already gimped hairstyles and lack of a unique hempen. I am fully in the camp that Viera lacking hairstyles is ridiculous. The response to that should be implementing hairstyles not a second pair of shoes. Viera in other games have long arms, claws, and non human feet. None of that is the case here. It wasn't iconic enough to make the cut. That I can have a pale viera as my forum avatar should be proof enough that XIV's Viera are their own beast. I get that you want more options. It'd be neat. Again, look at my avatar- I am a Viera player and I would certainly not mind more heels (and hats and hair) for her. Consider this, though:

Would you be ok if male Au Ra and only male Au Ra got a new shirt? Au Ra do have a unique aesthetic, pointed out in the lorebook even- their clothes are hand torn fabric ritualistically fashioned into clothing, which is why their shirts, pants, wrap, and shoes have such jagged edges. Unlike any of the existing races, their aesthetic even bleeds into their hempen sets with some torn up, barely-there pieces. Would it be fair if no new heels for us, only new holey shirt for m Au Ra?

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Would you be ok if male Au Ra and only male Au Ra got a new shirt? Au Ra do have a unique aesthetic, pointed out in the lorebook even- their clothes are hand torn fabric ritualistically fashioned into clothing, which is why their shirts, pants, wrap, and shoes have such jagged edges. Unlike any of the existing races, their aesthetic even bleeds into their hempen sets with some torn up, barely-there pieces. Would it be fair if no new heels for us, only new holey shirt for m Au Ra?

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It's nothing to do with being iconic enough to make the cut, it's a matter of it would even further limit what we can wear because putting myself in the developers shoes, going all through all the previous content and adjusting each individual piece of armor to make it equipable for viera would be very tedious. Those sacrifices the developers made in terms of making the Viera more humanoid with shorter arms and human feet, I can stand by and accept those with absolutely no issue, they did what they could to implement the iconic race in the game, so my request is not that unreasonable considering I am just trying to keep the appearance of an ivalician viera. There's numerous speculation that we will have more hairstyles and options in the next expansion but I digress, so what's the fuss of a few people in the design department making a change to a already-existing standard shoe?

And oddly enough, I seem to be one of the VERY few people who believe that all races should have their own distinctive look and should remain to be different from eachother *I'm looking at you, people who want the option to make viera the same height as the miqo'te*. If Au Ra got a new shirt, I wouldn't mind at all. The Au Ra does not appeal to me in the slightest so if they were to by chance get something new, it would not phase me because I have no interest in them or their lore. There was even a forum post I saw just yesterday about a request to re-visit the Hyur's faces and redesign them, if they get that? Good on them. No one will catch me on the forums saying "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE VIERAAAAAAAAA"