PSA Serious health concern/risks(DVT) for players in Housing Savage.

PSA I have also posted this to reddit and the housing forums to raise awareness.

After about 30 mins of selecting the placard repeatedly I quickly realized how tense I was getting in my arms, shoulders and legs from sheer concentration. This is dangerous for people who are susceptible and for very desperate gamers looking for a housing plot of their own since developer leaders aren't prioritizing this for immediate action. The least they could do is lower the timer to a couple hours. This inaction is reprehensible! They are letting/encouraging their player base into serious health risks for in-game houses!

*I'm focused on housing right now because I've become acutely aware of the problem and what players are currently putting themselves through for a house, and nobody is discussing the risks involved.

I've also read countless forum posts around the internet of people that developed carpel tunnel, sprains, and strains from the repetition of button mashing for 6-23 hours straight due to lack of response or solution from the dev leaders. Is maintaining the games integrity worth a life? Figure it out SE!


**Players in a seated position for too long without moving or taking a drink of water while spending hours to nearly a day long(20-23 hours) straight of button mashing the placard puts them at high risk of developing DVT (Deep vein thrombosis) which is a life threating health crises that happens from developing a blood clot in your legs deep veins or possibly even your arms and is not detectable or noticeable until within minutes to hours after standing up or the clot breaking loose and most people won't know until seconds before their possible and likely death when the clot rushes to their lungs resulting in a pulmonary embolism or heart causing a heart attack.

***DVT rates are high among gamers especially within internet cafes around the world where gamers(many very skinny) spend up to 24 hours in a seated position without moving or hydrating allowing blood clots to develop.

Please Google it and educate yourself about DVT and be aware of the risks.

Stay safe fellow Warriors of Light!

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...TZXwJb0o_EZ58K

Housing is broken. I don't care if there are small servers where it's just fine. As with the vast majority of people in civilized parts of the real world living in urbanized areas, most of us in FFXIV play on crowded servers. And on those servers, the system is garbage.

General rule of housing is just don't.

If you can't walk up and buy a plot, then don't subject yourself to placard camping. Ever. Get a dumpy little apartment or a FC house room to hold you over, click a placard occasionally, but don't camp.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

General rule of housing is just don't.

If you can't walk up and buy a plot, then don't subject yourself to placard camping. Ever. Get a dumpy little apartment or a FC house room to hold you over, click a placard occasionally, but don't camp.

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What if you're trying to get a house for your fc? I'm sure felt obligated to get a house when made i my fc 2 years ago. Sat for 16 hours or so, all night long clicking and clicking with coffee next to me. Even was called a bot at one point cause i was up all night lol

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

What if you're trying to get a house for your fc? I'm sure felt obligated to get a house when made i my fc 2 years ago. Sat for 16 hours or so, all night long clicking and clicking with coffee next to me. Even was called a bot at one point cause i was up all night lol

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Don't. Do without an FC house or repurpose a member's house in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Don't. Do without an FC house or repurpose a member's house in the meantime.

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Wouldn't that first require a member to have a house? I looked into player housing a while back, only to conclude that even if I had the gil, I'd never get a house due to there being no available plots anywhere.

To be honest, I've done housing savage three times now. I'd do it while working from home or drawing, and clicked the placard every so often. More frequently if I was just watching something, but even then it was only once every 5 minutes. I ended up getting my house eventually x3.

The thing about the random timer is that it really is so random that you have just as much of a chance to snag it by clicking once every 10min as the person spam clicking. Save your hands, friends.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Don't. Do without an FC house or repurpose a member's house in the meantime.

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On paper this is true but in reality this isn't working consider the lack of workshop, inability to create your own buffs etc.

In any regard I'm happy I got our house but just saying i'd imagine many fc leaders out there is still in same shoes I was back in 2018.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

On paper this is true but in reality this isn't working consider the lack of workshop, inability to create your own buffs etc.

In any regard I'm happy I got our house but just saying i'd imagine many fc leaders out there is still in same shoes I was back in 2018.

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I'm pretty sure our FC would work just fine without the workshop and the selfmade buffs - both are things that everyone in the FC has full access to, yet I'm usually the only person making use of them. While its nice that I can get the goodies from the voyages for the FC, I dont think anyone would have left because they didnt get a Silver Dasher for free.
In regards to the buffs: You get one grade 3 buff every 3 days. Hardly game breaking either. (Grade 1 and 2 can be bought with FC seals - something every FC has probably more off than things to spent them on).

Neither the workshop nor the extra buffs are such a big deal that an FC cant function without them.

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I'm pretty sure our FC would work just fine without the workshop and the selfmade buffs - both are things that everyone in the FC has full access to, yet I'm usually the only person making use of them. While its nice that I can get the goodies from the voyages for the FC, I dont think anyone would have left because they didnt get a Silver Dasher for free.
In regards to the buffs: You get one grade 3 buff every 3 days. Hardly game breaking either. (Grade 1 and 2 can be bought with FC seals - something every FC has probably more off than things to spent them on).

Neither the workshop nor the extra buffs are such a big deal that an FC cant function without them.

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IMO It's moot to discuss since I got the house but saying fc who can't get a fc house now cause of the lack of supply and how shit current purchase system is lowkey crapping on people who want a fc house.

Regardless we had our reasons to wanting to have access to everything as a fc even if your fc deems is a waste of time, do you have a fc house and if yes, why?

Thank god I never cared about housing and spare myself this headache.

I do remember the literal pain it was when I did it, and I'm a pretty obsessive person, but I'm sure there are people who had/have it a lot worse than I did. I did it at an opportune time when a decent amount of plots became open. Generally, the housing system is pretty bad, but, if I recall, they have been taking some measures, like apparently a lottery soon (?). Also, the new datacenter and plots coming EW, though I don't know if they anticipated the influx of players from this recent FFXIV bandwagon. Regardless, they aren't actual fixes. I'd like to see a proper instanced housing system added.

This is the system we have right now.
Lottery is coming in with Ishgard housing.
If you don't want to camp, wait till 6.1 and put your name in a lottery with the dozens of others who will be doing the same and pray for good luck.

Those are your two options outside of paying someone for an FC house. Instanced or "easy" housing (outside of buying an apartment) isn't gonna happen.

Side note: Why are you sitting at a placard for 20-24 hours if you're using that as a reference point for your argument for potential health issues? That's your first mistake right there and you should probably do some deeper research into prime plot hours.

I'll never understand why people make the choice to risk their health when playing a game and then blame the devs.

I have poor vision, and sometimes get eye strain from playing certain games or for long periods of time. So I don't do that.

Some games that are really intense or challenging increase my heart rate a lot and fill me with adrenaline, which cause severe heart palpitations which can make me dizzy. So I do my best to avoid playing games like that, or try to be more cautious about it.

In neither case is it the fault of the people who make the games, and I never demand that they change it to suit me to allow me to make irresponsible choices when it comes to my health.

So why do people do that with this game? Yes the housing system sucks, but you seriously can't blame SE because you refuse to get up to go to the bathroom while mashing LMB for 20 hours straight. Your well-being is not the job of everyone around you.

I got my first house a few days ago. And I can honestly say the best way to "fix" the current system is to reduce the timer to max 3hours or so. The fact is in those three hours you'll already give enough time to create the mass of the regular 20 people camping it.

But above all it also prevents the feeling from getting invested to much in clicking it. At one point you wasted to much time (especially if you been there the moment the plot went up) to just let it go and you just dedicate the rest of your day to it. Because if it pops in that 15min you were doing a roulette you'd hate yourself even more for standing 3+ hours there earlier.

I get we cant get a first come, first serve system. And I have my doubts about the lottery system we get in Endwalker. Imho the best thing to do is fix the timer to something doable for people being there from the moment it goes up.

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you should probably do some deeper research into prime plot hours.

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I dont know about your server but I've been camping all times of the day to find the perfect time and "prime plot hours" is all day around.

The only way I got mine was because there was one up in in the Goblet and Shirogane and I noticed most people check Shirogane last or not check it at all. So there were only like 6 people I had to compete with and it had a relatively short timer.

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I dont know about your server but I've been camping all times of the day to find the perfect time and "prime plot hours" is all day around.

The only way I got mine was because there was one up in in the Goblet and Shirogane and I noticed most people check Shirogane last or not check it at all. So there were only like 6 people I had to compete with and it had a relatively short timer.

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My general recomendation is look how long a plot been up (can be guestimated by the timer until next devaluation) and go there after 10 hours or 15. Generally this is close to when it's up for purchase.

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There are discord servers that keep track of when plots went up for auction. 8-10h after is the average plot pop time. Therefore, you can save your energy and camp when it matters. There are ways to make it easier, people for some reason just want to sit at a placard all day.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

General rule of housing is just don't.

If you can't walk up and buy a plot, then don't subject yourself to placard camping. Ever. Get a dumpy little apartment or a FC house room to hold you over, click a placard occasionally, but don't camp.

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The issue here is A) apartments are actually 100% full on some servers and B) getting an FC room still requires having a house.

The system is really bad as is and just adding new wards every 6-12 months isn't really a sustainable way to keep housing going. Especially if the game keeps growing. There will never be enough houses until they revamp the system in some way.

Even if you manage to get one, you still need to stay subbed to the game to keep it. You can't take a break or you lose it. It's one of the few systems that are really antithetical to what the devs say about respecting people's time.

Wait until Island Sanctuaries are added. Depending on how they work, they may be more akin to proper housing instances (considering your minions can actually run around and do things there supposedly).

I recall it not being all too difficult to get a small personal home back before SB launched. I purchased mine in lavender beds which was the most popular housing area on Ultros at the time and it was even in a nice spot near a marketboard. However when trying to get a medium or large plot those are almost never available, however the small ones have always seemed to circulate frequently at least until they cancelled demolitions for COVID or other events labelled as disasters. Not sure if it was just luck or not but I was able to sign on without issue right when the servers went online after the maint that opened Shirogane and jumped right into the zone and bought a med plot right next to a market board with no other people around competing for it. So at least from my end it seems like the frustration is people wanting larger houses trying to jump on the release of plots that were just released or demolished though this obviously can be different depending on the world they're on.

Housing is optional, so why hurt yourself?

I have owned a house three times, plus the FC house that my friends and I own mutually (but I 'own' the FC, I guess). I've never had to resort to clicking on a placard for hours. I'm on Omega (always a pretty full server because of the RP aspect) and before that I was on Ragnarok. Each time I brought a house - last time was last year - I checked the boards daily, walked up to the placard; if I couldn't buy it straight off, I left again. The longest I've waited when I've decided I got the property bug again was three weeks, at the end of three weeks of searching I walked up to a placard and bought the plot straight away. Just be patient. They become empty more often than you think (unless there is a hiatus on eviction) New Ishgard housing too, new lottery system, and the new island thingummy which may solve all your housing issues.
As far as health issues go, it's common sense not to sit at your desk for 12 hours straight, clearly that's bad for you. Doing so to buy an imaginary building is just very silly

Pretty sure there was talks of a lottery system being implemented for housing, could very well dissolve the need to wait long endless hours, but we have yet to see any details so we'll have to wait and see.

One of the factors causing the housing issue a lot of people seem to overlook is the gil inflation in game because of its lack of gil sinks to take it out of circulation. They haven't updated the pricing of the plot tiers since the day the system was first put in as FC only. The prices worked fine back then. However fast forward years to where we are now and most players can come up with the funds to buy a small plot just from playing the game normally if they aren't making foolish purchases off the market board.

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One of the factors causing the housing issue a lot of people seem to overlook is the gil inflation in game because of its lack of gil sinks to take it out of circulation. They haven't updated the pricing of the plot tiers since the day the system was first put in as FC only. The prices worked fine back then. However fast forward years to where we are now and most players can come up with the funds to buy a small plot just from playing the game normally if they aren't making foolish purchases off the market board.

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There really needs to be more incidental gil sinks, or a reduction of the amount of gil we generate. I get that people like having many millions of gil... but it's not good for the FFXIV economy for there to be too much gil in circulation.

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Wait until Island Sanctuaries are added. Depending on how they work, they may be more akin to proper housing instances (considering your minions can actually run around and do things there supposedly).

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I wish people would stop telling other to wait for Island Sanctuaries as they are not housing. If they were housing, SE would have stated it.

Having minions run around has nothing to do with "proper housing". If someone just wants minions to be running around, they should be asking SE to add a petting zoo.

It'll be interesting to see how the new systems YoshiP lightly touched on will go. He'll probably flesh the system details out more in Septembers Live letter, but he briefly mentioned that in 6.0 we'll be getting 2 types of housing wards; a first-come-first-serve style Ward, and a Lottery Ward.

Meoni video regarding YoshiP quotes on 6.0 housing system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctJTdGINpt8

EDIT: Oh nuts, also, YoshiP also mentioned something along the lines of a Solo Ward and a Free Company Ward, but again Septembers Live letter will hopefully have more information.

I'm going to be honest. I don't care about the health concerns and all that. Sure it blows that people are so addicted to the game, that they will risk life and limb to get one. However, I'm not going to weaponize these nut jobs to get changes that I want. With the housing system. If someone wants to harm themselves or risk health reasons to get a house. They earned it more than I'm willing to pay.


The housing system blows, I can agree with anyone who says that. If not everyone can get a house, and you want to keep it like that. At least expand the apartment system to be better than what it is.



Myself, I would love anyone who can afford a home can get one, none of this having to keep your sub going just to keep the home. That goes against the developers feelings on don't sub when you don't feel like playing. The limits of tech/engine/servers might be the reason. I don't know. I just know the game is big enough now that we need to stop putting this issue off.

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It'll be interesting to see how the new systems YoshiP lightly touched on will go. He'll probably flesh the system details out more in Septembers Live letter, but he briefly mentioned that in 6.0 we'll be getting 2 types of housing wards; a first-come-first-serve style Ward, and a Lottery Ward.

Meoni video regarding YoshiP quotes on 6.0 housing system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctJTdGINpt8

EDIT: Oh nuts, also, YoshiP also mentioned something along the lines of a Solo Ward and a Free Company Ward, but again Septembers Live letter will hopefully have more information.

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As far as im aware of the solo ward is the private housing ward. FC ward is self explanatory. So they're basically going to have some wards set up with the usual system we have on housing launch days (run and grab a plot) while also having other wards set up to run the new lottery system for those who don't want to camp.

Why care about housing when you can live in one of the main cities Inn's instead?