Stupid ask about Moonfire Faire

I was alwasy dont understand. Why they put "summer event" aka Moonfire Faire in August.

Since EU/NA call summer are June and July. August is our autumn season. (I'm from Europe)

Do reason Japan/South Koren's style august are thier summer time?

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Okay. I'm mistake. Since I was child, remember school said August is autumn. Like ours May, June and July are summer season.)
Yeah seem August is summer. Maybe reason sometimes August weather came colder in my norther europe.

August is still summer for most NA. September tends to be the sort of straddle the seasons month. Also August in most of Japan is normal high temps and humidity.

I don't know about Europe, but in North America, Summer begins late in June and ends late in September.

I live in California, USA. Our Autumn doesn't start until late September. This past week was the first time in weeks that our temperatures dipped below a hundred degrees during the midday. And we probably won't cool down much until late August, early September. In other words, it's still summer.

I'm from northern Europe, and August is considered at least partially summer. In the southern part of the country, thermal summer (average temperature consistently above +10 °C) begins in late May and ends in mid-September. In the northern parts thermal summer begins in early June and ends in late August.

Another common convention is that summer is the three hottest months of the year, which is June, July and August.

I'm not really sure where or why August would be considered part of autumn. It's generally warmer than June on average. If you'd care to enlighten me, I'm curious to hear about it.

is this another "november isn't winter" or w/e thread

August is still summer in NA, and apparently some parts of the EU. They are never going to be 100% accurate with global seasons and climates for the entire planet. For someone somewhere it is always going to feel off somehow. To be fair though, Mother Nature seems to be on something the last few years. Go home Mother Nature, you drunk!

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

I was alwasy dont understand. Why they put "summer event" aka Moonfire Faire in August.

Since EU/NA call summer are June and July. August is our autumn season. (I'm from Europe)

Do reason Japan/South Koren's style august are thier summer time?

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Japanese schools have three semesters, separated by vacations. At most schools, summer vacation covers the 40-odd days from July 20 to August 31

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Seems that way.

August may as well be discount autumn. Sunny hot weather or no, the days are already getting shorter again and you're running down the clock on the part of the year that isn't miserable and dead. Get to the last few days before September, and you may as well just put yourself in an induced coma until things are decent again at the very start of April.

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

I was alwasy dont understand. Why they put "summer event" aka Moonfire Faire in August.

Since EU/NA call summer are June and July. August is our autumn season. (I'm from Europe)

Do reason Japan/South Koren's style august are thier summer time?

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In my part of Europe we consider summer to consist of the months June, July, and August.

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

Do reason Japan/South Koren's style august are thier summer time?

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Japan summer break is from july 19 - aug 25'ish. South Korea has the same rough timeframe for summer breaks.
https://i.ibb.co/vBn4mcM/japan.png

Where does this come from ?..
I'm from EU as well and August is summer.

Every city, school, state, etc I've ever been to in the US uses astrological seasons. So equinoxes and solstice, to determine seasons, not weather.

Summer is late June to late September.

Midsummer's eve was over a month ago. Soon its a winter jacket time :3

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Where does this come from ?..
I'm from EU as well and August is summer.

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Same here. Actually, Summer here is from June 21th to September 21th and most people take their summer vacations in August... I never heard anywhere it was considered to be part of Autumn :/

where I am in Canada, August is one of the warmest months of the year, so it is definitely still summer.

never heard of August being a part of fall

Okay. I'm mistake. Since I was child, remember school said August is autumn. Like ours May, June and July are summer season.)

Yeah seem August is summer. Maybe reason sometimes August weather came colder in my norther europe.

At least in my area in the US, August can be considered the "dog days of summer" and usually quite hot. While summer doesn't end until the middle of September, people usually consider the beginning of the Fall season to be the beginning of the month (or here in the US, Labor Day, which is the first Monday of the month, is the unofficial end of summer).

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Originally Posted by Limecat

August may as well be discount autumn. Sunny hot weather or no, the days are already getting shorter again and you're running down the clock on the part of the year that isn't miserable and dead. Get to the last few days before September, and you may as well just put yourself in an induced coma until things are decent again at the very start of April.

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That's an interesting take. Thinking about last year, my memory says that August was still pretty much full-on summer and even early September was nice and warm with lots of green around. The beginning of April on the other hand is decidedly chilly, trees are bare of leaves etc. Also, the beginning of April is closer to the spring equinox than the end of August is to the autumn equinox.

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

Okay. I'm mistake. Since I was child, remember school said August is autumn. Like ours May, June and July are summer season.)

Yeah seem August is summer. Maybe reason sometimes August weather came colder in my norther europe.

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Let's see the good part : even if August is colder in your country, at least Moonfire Faire will warm it up :D

From what I remembered growing up, there's always three months in a single season:

Spring: March, April, May (April showers bring May flowers)
Summer: June, July, August
Fall/Autumn: September, October, November
Winter: December, January, February (Always thought it was odd that the last season of the year began with the last month of the year).

I'm a bit taken aback by the fact that no one is mentioning the solstice or equinox, which is what determines the seasons. It's consistent in the northern hemisphere, and the southern hemisphere is the exact opposite. The seasons are defined by the Earth's angle towards the sun, and don't vary from region to region because one is sunnier than the other. Some places have a mild, temperate summer. Some places have a raging, heat-wave filled summer. It doesn't mean that it's "less summer" in one place versus the other.

For 2021: This year, summer will end in the northern hemisphere on September 22. EVERYWHERE in the northern hemisphere. Hawaii, Norway, Seattle, Moscow. Everywhere. This is because the Autumnal Equinox falls on that day. This is when the sun is directly above the equator, and night and day on the equator are of equal length.

On September 22 in the southern hemisphere, they'll experience the Vernal Equinox, which will move them from winter into spring. Yes, everywhere in the southern hemisphere. Melbourne, Buenos Aires, and Johannesberg.

All of the info about how hot it is where one lives or such-and-such weather patterns in June are of no bearing at all; the season you experience is solely down to whether you live in the northern or southern hemisphere, and what the date is on the calendar.

Whatever the weather is like in individual states, our official seasons in the US are determined by the solstices and equinoxes. So we have set days everything begins and ends on. August is still summer regardless of the weather. If we went just by weather, I would have summer here in the Midwest all through September and sometimes into early October because it can stay hot here a while.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

...our official seasons in the US are determined by the solstices and equinoxes. So we have set days everything begins and ends on.

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The entire Earth does it like this; the science doesn't vary from one region to the next. As I mentioned, Hawaii, Seattle, Norway and Moscow will all move from summer into fall on September 22 this year. Conversely, Johannesberg, Melbourne, Buenos Aires, and the couple thousand people that live in Antarctica will all move from winter into spring on that same day.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

On September 22 in the southern hemisphere, they'll experience the Vernal Equinox, which will move them from winter into spring. Yes, everywhere in the southern hemisphere. Melbourne, Buenos Aires, and Johannesberg.

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I can't speak for other places, but Melbourne (and all of Australia as far as I'm aware) marks seasons by the month, not by the solstices and equinoxes. As listed above you in post #22, but in reverse: summer is from the start of December to the end of February; Winter is from the start of June to the end of August.

In any case, August falls entirely within winter/summer whether you mark its end as September 1 or September 22.

I'm going to need to disagree on principle.

Vernal and autumnal equinoxes are global. Colloquially, traditionally, locally, customarily people might "mark the seasons" as such-and-such months, but the science is consistent globally. I do see where AU defines the "end of winter" as August 31, but that's a cultural thing, akin to Daylight Savings Time. Nowhere on Earth does any season actually change on August 31, 2021.

Search for "southern hemisphere vernal equinox" and you will see it falls on September 22.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Melbourne (and all of Australia as far as I'm aware) marks seasons by the month, not by the solstices and equinoxes.

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What people choose to do culturally is down to their culture, and that's fine. Here in America we do Daylight Savings Time, which is ridiculous ... and doesn't actually change what time it is at all. Everyone agrees that we just skipped an hour, so it works. Everyone in AU agrees that winter is done on August 31, so it works.

In neither situation does it actually make it so, however. Those are tricks we tell ourselves to have more interesting days, LOL.

I digress. The vernal equinox is Sept. 22 in the southern hemisphere, that's a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

I was alwasy dont understand. Why they put "summer event" aka Moonfire Faire in August.

Since EU/NA call summer are June and July. August is our autumn season. (I'm from Europe)

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I'm from England and August is summer here. You can tell because the rain is warmer.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

The entire Earth does it like this; the science doesn't vary from one region to the next. As I mentioned, Hawaii, Seattle, Norway and Moscow will all move from summer into fall on September 22 this year. Conversely, Johannesberg, Melbourne, Buenos Aires, and the couple thousand people that live in Antarctica will all move from winter into spring on that same day.

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I know that, but when you're from the US here you have to be careful you don't speak for all of NA or the world or you get the "typical American mindset" type of response. So since NA was mentioned, I gave the perspective of one part of NA only.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

I'm a bit taken aback by the fact that no one is mentioning the solstice or equinox, which is what determines the seasons.

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Only in some weird places - like the US. Where I live nobody uses the solstices/equinoxes to determine seasons - and they usually don't match the weather anyhow.
We have basically two systems.
The most common one is calender based, with each season consisting of three months (Winter = December, January, February; Spring = March, April, May; Summer = June, July, August; Autumn = September; October; November)
The other is based on average daily temperatures. When using that method different parts of the country can enter a season at different times, and starting dates for each season will vary from year to year.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

The entire Earth does it like this; the science doesn't vary from one region to the next. As I mentioned, Hawaii, Seattle, Norway and Moscow will all move from summer into fall on September 22 this year. Conversely, Johannesberg, Melbourne, Buenos Aires, and the couple thousand people that live in Antarctica will all move from winter into spring on that same day.

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The solstices/equinoxes fall on the same dates all over. Nobody disputes that.
Sience has absolutely nothing to say about the relationship between solstices/equinoxes and seasons however. Seasons are a local thing, and many places don't even have four distinct seasons.

Yeah in Japan we usually got the month of August as summer break. As for NA a good majority of the southern state still see summer, especially the weather. linger well into fall, Ca to Fl, heat waves and hurricane for Thanksgivings, heck even as far into as like Christmas isnt surprising anymore, lul...

Can’t speak for anywhere but the Middle East and the USA. Most of the places I have been in the ME August is still summer and hot hot hot.

In the USA in most states August is the hottest month. I love in Alaska and here too August starts our fall.

While everyone is arguing when summer is...

The real answer is Moonfire Faire isn't just a summer festival. Much like how All Saint's Wake is based on Halloween, and Heavensturn is based on the Lunar New Year celebration, Moonfire Faire is based on the Hanabi Festivals which happen in Japan in July and August. Doesn't matter if it's not still hot and summery where you live when this happens because They're doing it based on when the event happens in the real world.

I don't think it will be long before the "seasons" don't really align to anybody's established conventions anywhere, anyhow.

Im from Europe (Netherlands) and can say summer last throughout August here. We can still reach tempratures above 30 easily. Early September is when it starts to cool down. And early October when it feels like Autumn.

August is the hottest month in Summer.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

August is the hottest month in Summer.

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Here in northern Europe it ranks between July and June for average temperatures.

Moonfire Faire corresponds with the Obon holiday in Japan, starting on Aug 13th. It's often considered to be the last holiday/festival week of the summer, after which the "traditional" Fall begins, much like Labor Day is the "traditional" end of the summer season in the US even if it's not the actual solar season change.

My home town hosted an event called Hot August Nights because its very much summer.

I remember thinking similarly when I first started playing because, in my mind, August is when summer winds down and we get ready for Fall. Now it's something I look forward to as a "last hurrah" tribute to the season.