I want 2 things from New World and that is it

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07-25-2021, 03:08 AM
Puremallace

I want 2 things from New World and that is it

I can name like 20 issues I have with New World but the 2 below things I thinkkkkk can be added to FF14. One requires an engine update and the other might be possible.

1. Non instanced world with climbing. Obviously this is engine update one that may never happen but I think it is pretty obvious not having connected zones is making the world feel small.

2. The next I think is possible. In New World you basically do not have to switch jobs to be able to gather stone or chop a tree. So my suggestion is make so that if I have mining maxxed out or unlocked then I do not need to swap to my miner.

So I could be in my Paladin build and see Botany or Mining nodes and when you click them you would swap to your mining layout for abilities. Since Job crystals are not required I think this might more possible.

Thoughts? Obviously in pvp I could easilllllllly see people wanting the Fort battle system in New World or similar to Aion.
07-25-2021, 03:20 AM
Kyuuen

Wouldn't mind 1, it would add new ways of exploration while you don't have flying, and would add a bit more depth in places like Diadem, Eureka, and Bozja.

Two I wouldn't mind, but not sure how they'd make it work considering the systems are tied to having appropriate stats to gather certain things successfully. Granted they could make the system so that the stats aren't needed, but not sure how I'd feel about that aspect.
07-25-2021, 03:45 AM
Puremallace

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Two I wouldn't mind, but not sure how they'd make it work considering the systems are tied to having appropriate stats to gather certain things successfully. Granted they could make the system so that the stats aren't needed, but not sure how I'd feel about that aspect.

That is sort of what I was wondering since you don't have job stones so effectively your mining weapon is always equipped and the entire Gp and abilities pop up when you actually click the node. Not sure why but just having everything always there instead of having to switch from what I saw made the world seem more alive.
07-25-2021, 03:51 AM
Arrhin

I do like some of this, but they can keep their GPU immolation mode.
07-25-2021, 05:27 AM
TeraRamis

I just want a next FF mmo. I don't think it's time yet. But by, say, 2025? Yes, it will be time.
07-25-2021, 05:46 AM
Puremallace

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

I just want a next FF mmo. I don't think it's time yet. But by, say, 2025? Yes, it will be time.

It is pretty easy to do. 8th or 9th..hell 10th calamity to nuke the servers and tada same MMO but PS5 capable engine.
07-25-2021, 05:53 AM
ForteNightshade

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

I just want a next FF mmo. I don't think it's time yet. But by, say, 2025? Yes, it will be time.

There is zero chances we see a new FF MMO within four years. Yoshida has already said they've gotten a story outline going as far as 7.0. With FFXIV being an easy money maker for Square, they'll likely do the same thing Blizzard has done and ride FFXIV into the next decade.
07-25-2021, 05:57 AM
TeraRamis

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

There is zero chances we see a new FF MMO within four years. Yoshida has already said they've gotten a story outline going as far as 7.0. With FFXIV being an easy money maker for Square, they'll likely do the same thing Blizzard has done and ride FFXIV into the next decade.

The problem is that this game really hasn't been receiving the incremental visual updates that Blizzard applied to WoW. So while WoW (somewhat) kept pace with newer games by gradually evolving into a fresh visual experience, FFXIV looks basically the same as the day it launched.

I like how this game looks overall, but its age is definitely beginning to show... particularly in the ultra 'clean' world/city design, the tiny original zones, very basic looking foliage/water/lighting, etc. Without a facelift, FFXIV will gradually become like LOTRO - a game that also had a really interesting 'core,' but just wore out graphically.
07-25-2021, 05:58 AM
TTiscancer

Hey yeah, lets completely remake the game so you can climb to nowhere, and because you are inconvenienced by pressing a button.

Dude... I don't even
07-25-2021, 06:11 AM
TeraRamis

Honestly, I just think it's funny that Amazon has these almost limitless resources and cannot develop even one decent game.
07-25-2021, 06:23 AM
Pirana1

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Honestly, I just think it's funny that Amazon has these almost limitless resources and cannot develop even one decent game.

Yeah.. It's fascinating how awful this game actually plays. I get that it's only Beta, but wow... I'm sure LOTRO players are now glad that a potential new mmo was canceled. It's nothing short of comical that a company this huge can create something like this.

On topic:
The one legged movement ability and graphics. The former being sarcasm. For anyone interested, check this video out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv1Y3cSChK8
07-25-2021, 06:27 AM
TTiscancer

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Honestly, I just think it's funny that Amazon has these almost limitless resources and cannot develop even one decent game.

It's almost like you can't buy game development experience with money.
07-25-2021, 06:30 AM
Tulzscha

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2. The next I think is possible. In New World you basically do not have to switch jobs to be able to gather stone or chop a tree. So my suggestion is make so that if I have mining maxxed out or unlocked then I do not need to swap to my miner.

That's one of the things I miss from WoW, being able to easily gather things while out doing dailies or whatever. At least being able to see the nodes while on another job would be nice.
07-25-2021, 06:35 AM
TeraRamis

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

It's almost like you can't buy game development experience with money.

I think you can, I just think that - at some level - the Amazon software team's management is completely incompetent.

I mean, you can drive a truck of money up to 'big' names in any industry and recruit them - you absolutely can put together an all star team. The question is: has Amazon actually ever done such a thing (or was the software team 'Bezos'd' from the start, and was basically a bunch of college grads with no experience and no salary command [which wouldn't surprise me])... and, if they did, how could they so horrifically mismanage said talent to the point where a) they had to just drop a lucrative project like a new LOTR MMORPG, and b) their supposed flagship game, New World, is basically DOA?
07-25-2021, 06:45 AM
TTiscancer

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

I think you can, I just think that - at some level - the Amazon software team's management is completely incompetent.

I mean, you can drive a truck of money up to 'big' names in any industry and recruit them - you absolutely can put together an all star team. The question is: has Amazon actually ever done such a thing (or was the software team 'Bezos'd' from the start, and was basically a bunch of college grads with no experience and no salary command [which wouldn't surprise me])... and, if they did, how could they so horrifically mismanage said talent to the point where a) they had to just drop a lucrative project like a new LOTR MMORPG, and b) their supposed flagship game, New World, is basically DOA?

What I meant is, that you can't just hire some rando from college that made a cute lil game on their first RPG maker and expect them to make an MMO, no matter how much money you give the project.
07-25-2021, 12:26 PM
Enkidoh

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

1. Non instanced world with climbing. Obviously this is engine update one that may never happen but I think it is pretty obvious not having connected zones is making the world feel small.

This simply will never happen with FFXIV, the sheer amount of players would overload quickly a fully open-world zone (FFXIV 1.0 tried 'seemless' open world areas and well, we all know how that turned out).

Also it's clear that it will be very highly unlikely SE will make another FF MMO for pragmatic reasons - MMOs are considered a dying genre with so many opening with high hopes, only to very quickly die and shut down. In a global pandemic where FFXIV is making enormous amounts for SE, and is topping player numbers the game has never seen (even the huge amounts at launch are nothing like the player populations we're getting now), they're not going to gamble with such an investment where they can simply keep developing FFXIV for much much less. They're running two MMOs already which are making lots of money for them, they're not going to stretch development resources further just to make the graphics prettier with a new MMO, that's just being realistic.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

2. The next I think is possible. In New World you basically do not have to switch jobs to be able to gather stone or chop a tree. So my suggestion is make so that if I have mining maxxed out or unlocked then I do not need to swap to my miner.

So I could be in my Paladin build and see Botany or Mining nodes and when you click them you would swap to your mining layout for abilities. Since Job crystals are not required I think this might more possible

This is actually a fundamental part of the game since the original 1.0 version of the game, how crafting and gathering are tied to the game's Armoury System, with the idea being that those who wanted to pursue less martial and violent paths could still have a 'class' and actual gameplay, rather than simply repeating FFXI's gathering system which was ensure you had hatchets or whatever in your inventory, target the node and press X to get the item (or not).

1.0's FFXIV website actually described the Armoury System in that way - in that an adventurer might spend some time beating up monsters, and needs a break, so he then replaces his sword with a hatchet and starts milling timber at the nearest treee, or then picks up a pickaxe and starts mining ore, etc etc (greatly paraphrased).

Yes it means more clases to level, but really, given how EXP is thrown around like candy in this game, it is not that hard to level BTN or MNR really. And setting up the Armoury Chest to automatically switch classes to a gatherer from your 'main' is a no brainer (that's why you get an Armoury Chest slot with every new class you unlock).
07-25-2021, 12:46 PM
HollowedDoll

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

The problem is that this game really hasn't been receiving the incremental visual updates that Blizzard applied to WoW. So while WoW (somewhat) kept pace with newer games by gradually evolving into a fresh visual experience, FFXIV looks basically the same as the day it launched.

I like how this game looks overall, but its age is definitely beginning to show... particularly in the ultra 'clean' world/city design, the tiny original zones, very basic looking foliage/water/lighting, etc. Without a facelift, FFXIV will gradually become like LOTRO - a game that also had a really interesting 'core,' but just wore out graphically.

WoW might've updated the character models and the new zones look different, but more than half of the game looks like it doesn't belong together now, I don't see how that's desirable whatsoever.
07-25-2021, 01:04 PM
Warlyx

EQ2 had climbing like 13 years ago , in the 1 expansion
07-25-2021, 03:28 PM
Theodric

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

WoW might've updated the character models and the new zones look different, but more than half of the game looks like it doesn't belong together now, I don't see how that's desirable whatsoever.

I'd rather not see FFXIV avoid updating the character models and game's textures because there might be a difference between the quality/look of game zones and textures made a decade or more ago compared to those made in more recent times.

Especially when that's already the case. Compare the quality of the textures of a furniture item such as the pixie apple basket to those of the bearskin rug, for example - it's a difference akin to night and day.
07-25-2021, 04:09 PM
Endariel

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd rather not see FFXIV avoid updating the character models and game's textures because there might be a difference between the quality/look of game zones and textures made a decade or more ago compared to those made in more recent times.

Especially when that's already the case. Compare the quality of the textures of a furniture item such as the pixie apple basket to those of the bearskin rug, for example - it's a difference akin to night and day.

Well, we are no longer bound by ps3 limitations after all