Zadnor: Did you learn literally nothing from Castrum Lacus Litore?

The Dalriada.

A Critical Engagement inside the Zadnor zone. Instead of a queueable instance. Why are you purposefully making it more difficult for players to access the content you are putting out?

No one likes having to wait for a CE to finish a story you have released. The vast majority of us want to queue for it.

Let us play your content in a timely manner. PLEASE.

Did you not see how EMPTY CLL was after a few months?

Having to wait isn't really the end of the world. And the fight itself is apparently much more forgiving, 4 people can clear it by themselves from what I understand. So it's not likely gonna end up as a bottleneck like CLL did.

I agree, they should have just made it a queueable thing like DR.

This is how square get people to do content. It's called FOMO. If you don't do it now, it'll be impossible to do in the future.

It already scales pretty generously. I don't think it's gonna be a CLL situation

Really, they added another CLL? They must really want Bozja in contention for most hated content in this game.

My only gripe for this particular zone is how scarce the CE is in third zone. The previous two zones can spawn dozens by the time the 3rd gets their 2nd CE.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Did you not see how EMPTY CLL was after a few months?

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Thankfully it scaled.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Thankfully it scaled.

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Ahhh. Don't point out the flaws in there argument, it may trigger them

I mean.... I managed to solo heal a party of only 8 people earlier today?

With bubble up, my HP as a whm, with food, was nearly 500,000.

In the future you'd only need to get barely even one party together and you'd be able to clear it. It's really not that hard (That was my second run btw)

And I'd suggest looking more into it first before berating the staff? Having actual facts helps.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

My only gripe for this particular zone is how scarce the CE is in third zone. The previous two zones can spawn dozens by the time the 3rd gets their 2nd CE.

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I feel we are missing something to get more CE/Skirmishes in there. It really feels barren. I am almost max rank and have only done 1 CE and didn't even see the duel of that zone...

Some people on Reddit have tested that you need to kill 30-40ish Magitek mobs in the current zone to spawn CEs. I did not have the time to test it myself, yet

Even CLL still gets run, the only reason it wasn't for a while was because the rewards suddenly changed to make it pointless.

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

I feel we are missing something to get more CE/Skirmishes in there. It really feels barren. I am almost max rank and have only done 1 CE and didn't even see the duel of that zone...

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47 skirmishes (bit more because of silvers) and I saw a whopping TWO CE's in zone 3

Yeah, I'm not really feeling Zadnor. I think the Southern Front is actually better ironically. Maybe not visually, but everything else.

You can't be serious.
You just see something that reminds you of something you didn't liked and it has to be as bad as the previous iteration? Please, this is acting like a child not willing to even taste veggies because they look bad.

The new instance can be cleared with 4 people, problem is that the echo makes you so overpowered it's like playing any RPG with cheat codes.

You don't need a tank.
Your HP can climb up to half a million HP.
A lone DPS can do the "top side", they actually learned and put a strong limit on the number of people able to get in.

Before complaining, please actually try the content before submitting your feedback.
There are other problems in the Zadnor castrum, such as underwhelming rewards or actually getting too much coins that are mostly useless now.

Have you been in it? They did learn. I had only half the amount of people the instance required and I only bit the dust a few times becuase I got in with what seemed to be a premade from a certain YTer and our other party was only me and a few others new. People are also doing CLL still becuase of the new weekly.
Zadnor itself is not perfect but I'm enjoying it. My gripe is zone 3 feels barren and sometimes skirmishes die so fast I can be near one and barely get a silver rank. CEs don't seem to pop as much as I'd like to. Other issue is the notes and how some either require you to be lucky af or actually do duels which.... I'm not interested in. But they actually tied the area to the relic this time.

Zadnor and Dalriada are nothing like Bozja and CLL. FATEs are easily soloable even with a full instance, and CEs use a lot of recycled mechanics. They might catch you offguard, but after you see the mechs once you can turn your brain off. Dalriada is generally done by parties of 10 players, and can be done with as little as 4.

Personally dissapointed on how everything in it is easy. But oh well.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Zadnor and Dalriada are nothing like Bozja and CLL. FATEs are easily soloable even with a full instance, and CEs use a lot of recycled mechanics. They might catch you offguard, but after you see the mechs once you can turn your brain off. Dalriada is generally done by parties of 10 players, and can be done with as little as 4.

Personally dissapointed on how everything in it is easy. But oh well.

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Yeah, the last boss of new castrum is really flashy and everything, but Zadnor overall.. it's just not that fun. I suppose they did actually "learn" from Bozja. They just went in a completely different direction than what I think a lot of people wanted here. They made the whole thing brain dead easy, and able to be wholly completed with barely anybody. When interest inevitably dies off there won't be a learning curve, nor should there be an issue finding players to complete it. The whole thing feels lazy to me, not gonna lie.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Even CLL still gets run, the only reason it wasn't for a while was because the rewards suddenly changed to make it pointless.

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And new raid's rewards seem like they forgot they had to buff CLL's few weeks after its release to make people run them and help newer players.

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Originally Posted by M0rrigan

And new raid's rewards seem like they forgot they had to buff CLL's few weeks after its release to make people run them and help newer players.

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Well no, they do that with all content.
It's buffed later to make catching up easier. New rewards are peppered in to keep vets going back to older content so newer players have people to play with.
They've been doing this since ARR.

I just cleared it with 8 players. HP buffs are ridiculous, I had over 440k as WHM. The last boss is pretty cool tho.

Zadnor is inherently in a much better spot then Castrum due to the bloated echo buff making it reasonably doable with less then eight people.

It's also specifically designed for a low number of people as there's only ever two way splits.

Castrum would benefit from the same buff as the first boss is presently extremely difficult to low man due to the bottom having to withstand significantly more damage from the stack AoE spam. The water AoE on the second boss also does split damage to everyone it hits, which can result in some very bloated numbers when low-manning as well.

This is our fourth iteration of OG Diadem despite how much people hated Diadem.

I wouldn't expect them to learn what's wrong with Bozja's duties' requirements either. I don't think they implement content based on player feedback, but just what they feel like, honestly.

My issues with Dalriada
-cannot go back if take a bike, that's it all they wrote, you can royally mess up with a small party here So yeah a way back in case people toolbar the split would be nice
- No trade in for shealf notes still, I hate leaving these things to pure rng especially for something like Dalriada, missing 2 on Front, 2 on Zadnor and 2 in Dalriada going to be awhile to get that mount.
-Vuln stacks are not even a slap on the wrist for 2nd boss, just can ignore the entire mechanic and deal more damage the stacks wear off before anything actually might threaten you XD
- No box, just why? Yea ok they give you ample time but there is always going to be someone who may show up last second, Add a box to this and CLL be very helpful.
-DR specific essences remain DR specific wish could've used them here as well

Praise for Dalriada
-My 1st clear was with 7 people, 3 tanks 4 dps, future proofing it so long as someone knows what they are doing.
- Over 3m mettle for a clear right off the bat, thank you there is no worries about loss of mettle here.
- unique dungeon interactions, I always love these and wish actual dungeons have them, imagine a dungeon with 4 paths for each player pressing switches as you go along to open other player pathways (Like the Valentoine's event maze)

Oh another negative for Dalriada just 3 raw emotions drop is nowhere near enough to favour it over lv70 dungeons XD

Considering Dalriada can be cleared with 5 players at minimum I'd say they learned a lot.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Oh another negative for Dalriada just 3 raw emotions drop is nowhere near enough to favour it over lv70 dungeons XD

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Seems like a fair trade for the time and effort involved, but yeah...I would imagine that grinding Hell's Lid is going to be more efficient. I ran HoH earlier and it appears to have the same drop rate as PotD did during the Law's Order relic grind, so not very good. Dungeon spam would probably work out better than HoH and Dalriada.

It's pretty easy since it adjusts based on how many people actually do it. It's way more forgiving than Castrum Litore.

Considering when I was trying to clear Castrum before they updated the loot my experience was to end up with 18 people who'd then leave because it's not worth the waste of mettle trying. If people are clearing with 8 then this is definitely a step up. Though I've yet to get around to doing the new zone. But actually doing Castrum was a fun experience.

Then Delubrum in contrast, my biggest complaint is the doom mechanic, I feel like it has a better place in Savage where you're expecting better co-ordination with people, so I'd be hesitant to use Delubrum as a 'good' example. I'm not against adding challenges, heck I support it but the doom mechanic felt too much like artificial difficulty where it can make runs of it more painful than they need to be. But some of the fight mechanics are fun. The Doom mechanic is more frustrating as a healer, I'd rather heal people for making mistakes than rez people for making them, maybe then it feels like I'm playing my role.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

This is our fourth iteration of OG Diadem despite how much people hated Diadem.

I wouldn't expect them to learn what's wrong with Bozja's duties' requirements either. I don't think they implement content based on player feedback, but just what they feel like, honestly.

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Well, look at how many people are in there doing their relic weapons! The content is a success! We'll give the players more of it next time!

I'd say it's a step up. Way easier to get the drops for the relic quests. You get a guaranteed 1 drop of the first kind for each quest per fate depending on the part of the zone you're in, and you get a guaranteed 2 drops for the 2nd item per CE. While this won't be faster than spamming the raids for the 2nd item, you can essentially limit the amount you need to do just from leveling up in Zadnor first to the cap. When I hit the cap, I had 30/24/22/14/15/8. That means I only needed to do 6 A3 runs, 8 O1 runs, 16 O3 runs, 15 E1 runs, and 22 E3 runs. That's not bad considering the abysmal drop rate of the other items back in Southern Front at launch.

Even if the zone does scale to compensate for the fact that it will be dead in a week, there's still literally no reason to not have it be something you can queue for outside of the instance. Why ever limit content to only the people in one instanced zone; it's like they're intentionally trying to kill it as fast as possible.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Even if the zone does scale to compensate for the fact that it will be dead in a week, there's still literally no reason to not have it be something you can queue for outside of the instance. Why ever limit content to only the people in one instanced zone; it's like they're intentionally trying to kill it as fast as possible.

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This guy gets it. There is zero functional reason to keep it inside the instance other than to pad instance numbers.

If you have to effectively force the player base into your content, it's not well designed.

If the skirmishes scale like they're supposed to, low numbers inside the instance are a moot point.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Then Delubrum in contrast, my biggest complaint is the doom mechanic, I feel like it has a better place in Savage where you're expecting better co-ordination with people, so I'd be hesitant to use Delubrum as a 'good' example. I'm not against adding challenges, heck I support it but the doom mechanic felt too much like artificial difficulty where it can make runs of it more painful than they need to be. But some of the fight mechanics are fun. The Doom mechanic is more frustrating as a healer, I'd rather heal people for making mistakes than rez people for making them, maybe then it feels like I'm playing my role.

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The doom mechanic in that raid effectively makes the HP Increase honor pointless and that shouldn't be the case.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

If the skirmishes scale like they're supposed to, low numbers inside the instance are a moot point.

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To add to this, raids like CLL likely screw up the scaling for the rest of Bozja. Random example, but if half the people in Bozja are just waiting for CLL to pop then the people actually running FATES aren't getting the correct scaling for their numbers.

Dalriada is so easy it's crazy if you ever think it's a red traffic light, it's easier than Alliance Raids. You can literally clear the fight 6 man.

For Relic Weapons, once you obtain the 180 items, I can confirm it myself you don't need to do it again. The step is skipped for extra Relic Weapons and goes straight to the final Step 15 Raw Emotions.

I'll still be sticking to Zadnor mainly for the damn coins. The hairstyle is already worth my time as well as some of the FFXII armor.
The only thing kinda holding me back is the stupid lockbox loot table. This is not even desire sensor, I am getting more prism compared to the Southern Front lockbox it is not even funny.
You'd think people screaming bloody murder on the purple prism would have improved but I guess not lol

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

My only gripe for this particular zone is how scarce the CE is in third zone. The previous two zones can spawn dozens by the time the 3rd gets their 2nd CE.

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That's probably because not a lot of people are killing the Magitek mobs in the third zone. Make a cluster farm party up there and you'll pop them (it's either that, or people aren't activating/finishing a FATE that leads into a CE).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

That's probably because not a lot of people are killing the Magitek mobs in the third zone. Make a cluster farm party up there and you'll pop them (it's either that, or people aren't activating/finishing a FATE that leads into a CE).

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This has been suspected but never confirmed. I pulled magitek mobs in every single skirmish I was at (50+ of them) and saw TWO CEs during that leveling.