Starting the Game as a DD is a horrible experience

So i decided to make a Twink yesterday and decided to start as a Lancer. Today i finaly reached the point where i have to do the first Dungeon and i already losing my motivation and thinking about starting over as a Tank or Heal Class. Right now im already 30 Minutes in the que for Sastasha.

This feels like a sick joke, someone could assume that a big and old game like this have some priority mechanics to help new chars getting fast through the Main Story and there first dungeons. But i guess this isnt the case for whatever reason.

Having recently leveled a new alt on rogue, I can't corroborate this. My queue lasted no longer than 8ish minutes for sastasha NM. Do you play in or around the prime time of your data center?

Since gear doesn't matter for PvP, not sure what you'd be twinking either way. Just play what you enjoy.

Dont know, im playinig right now, so i guess its primetime since its weekend. My Datacenter is Chaos on EU.

There are various reason why i decidet to make an alt. One was to have a char that looks different and a second to have more retainers for addional space and missions.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Dont know, im playinig right now, so i guess its primetime since its weekend. My Datacenter is Chaos on EU.

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On US servers I've found that mid-afternoon on the weekends it's pretty dead. OTOH 30 min. sounds excessive. How are your language settings?

30m is definitely not the norm. For MSQ dungeons even for DPS queues it should never be taking longer than 20 minutes. Usually no longer than 10~15.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

On US servers I've found that mid-afternoon on the weekends it's pretty dead. OTOH 30 min. sounds excessive. How are your language settings?

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I have checked every Language availible, lets see if this was just bad luck or still happens with the other dungeons.

I have been leveling my MCH and when doing dungeons, I only need to wait around 17-20 minutes.

I also play on Chaos.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

I've been playing since 2019 and only as DPS because I don't like healing and tanking. I disagree, it's not a horrible experience at all. Most queues are 5-10 min. If you get more than that, then the language settings in duty finder are wrong or you're trying to play when the whole server is asleep. Also, do not check Japanese unless you're on a Japanese server!

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Is there a reason why i should deactivate japanese, does it increase the waiting times?

You are two days before a major patch. A lot of people are taking a small break prepping for that. Normally the leveling queue is how a lot of sprouts get quick times.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Having recently leveled a new alt on rogue, I can't corroborate this. My queue lasted no longer than 8ish minutes for sastasha NM. Do you play in or around the prime time of your data center?

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Sounds right and I play early morningsvtonlate afternoons EU time.

Only once I got to 50 did the dungeons start taking forever.

I play in NA. Besides the Prime time in the afternoon I've noticed there is an uptick in the morning which coincides with the daily reset for the DUTY roulettes. The reset happens at midnight Japan time so adjust for your time zone. There are usually people queueing t the last minute before the reset or starting up right after the reset.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I have checked every Language availible, lets see if this was just bad luck or still happens with the other dungeons.

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That's probably the best plan. Let's get a few more data points before we draw any conclusions.
If there is a problem we should probably get it heavily documented so we can bring it before SE.
Good luck on your ques though.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

So i decided to make a Twink yesterday and decided to start as a Lancer. Today i finaly reached the point where i have to do the first Dungeon and i already losing my motivation and thinking about starting over as a Tank or Heal Class. Right now im already 30 Minutes in the que for Sastasha.

This feels like a sick joke, someone could assume that a big and old game like this have some priority mechanics to help new chars getting fast through the Main Story and there first dungeons. But i guess this isnt the case for whatever reason.

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There are many contributing factors as to why a queue can be long:

• Your role is the most obvious one. Tanks and healers almost always get fast queues.
  
• The content. Is it the kind that players would need or want to repeat a lot? Or is it the kind that can be done only once to get what you need? Low lvl dungeons are rarely farmed. People usually end up in there again because a roulette happened to put them there.
  
• Time of day. I also play on Chaos and I found the best times for queues are between 5 pm to 11pm server time especially if it's not the weekend.
  
• Day of the week. Reset is on tuesday and at the end of the weekend queues tend to slow down.
  
• If there's a major patch soon players often are taking a break until then or are working on gearing up in preparation for it, which means they're not doing low lvl content.
  
• We're pretty late into the current expansion so many players are not playing as much as they used to because they have already done all the content they wanted to do.
  
• Languages. Chaos is for EU so players are not using the English client of the game as commonly as NA. Some players flag themselves as speakers of all languages of the game to make queues faster. I don't know how effective this is because I have not done it myself.
  
• Bad luck. Sometimes you just happen to queue for content when very few other players are also queueing for the same content.

Weren't they looking to add trusts for all main story dungeons eventually?

If there's a shortage of healers and/or tanks then a DPS is unfortunately set for a long wait as they're already the most popular role and competing for a slot with many other players. We're also fairly late in the expansion's content cycle so a lot of people aren't queuing for roulettes because they are already capped or are taking a break.

I think the real question here is: "What on Hydaelyn do you mean by 'make a twink'?"

I swear, if this involves a scantily-clad catboy instead of a fundamental misunderstanding of how gear works before level 50...

Queues used to take 40 minutes when I started the game as a tank.

When I was new around end of SB the ques on my dps were 30min each it was hellish.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

I think the real question here is: "What on Hydaelyn do you mean by 'make a twink'?"

I swear, if this involves a scantily-clad catboy instead of a fundamental misunderstanding of how gear works before level 50...

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Twinking usually refers to gearing out a lower level alt to the nines for the sole purpose of wrecking lesser geared players in PvP. It's most notable in a specific other MMO that lets you turn off exp so you can stay in low level PvP brackets forever.

Was unaware it happened here, too.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Is there a reason why i should deactivate japanese, does it increase the waiting times?

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People used to say that you can get stuck in the queue void if you have JP selected, not sure if it is true now.

It's if the ONLY thing you have selected is JP, and you're not on a JP data center.

The languages are additive when checked. If you are comfortable playing with all four language speakers, check all four. If you are only comfortable speaking with your native language, check only that, but your queues will be longer.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

So i decided to make a Twink yesterday.

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Did you now? Can you post a picture of him?

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Originally Posted by Imora

Twinking usually refers to gearing out a lower level alt to the nines for the sole purpose of wrecking lesser geared players in PvP. It's most notable in a specific other MMO that lets you turn off exp so you can stay in low level PvP brackets forever.

Was unaware it happened here, too.

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I don’t believe it’s a thing here, due to experience not being able to be turned off, I think the OP is just confused.

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Originally Posted by Odstarva

When you posted this, right now = 3am at best if you were in the UK, 4 and 5 am for most of Europe.
4 and 5 am is absolutely not prime time lol.

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Pretty sure you went the wrong way on your time zones. Would've been 3 p.m., not a.m.

During ARR and HW times even hour dps queue was normal and some trials nearly impossible to start. Game was pretty niche back then.
Even with split EU DCs queues are way faster now

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Originally Posted by Ariel_Valmont

I don’t believe it’s a thing here, due to experience not being able to be turned off, I think the OP is just confused.

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It's also not a thing due to gear strength being largely standardized within a given level range, unlike say, WoW, where there were extremely rare blue/purple quality drops that were several magnitudes better then the common items available within their level range.

The most you could do is use fully overmelded HQ crafted gear, which isn't nearly as busted as what you can achieve in some other games, nor does it serve much purpose when it's not applicable to PvP.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

I think the real question here is: "What on Hydaelyn do you mean by 'make a twink'?"

I swear, if this involves a scantily-clad catboy instead of a fundamental misunderstanding of how gear works before level 50...

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Germans don't use the word "alt" when they mean a secondary character. They use the word "Twink" and it has nothing to do with the english meaning of it.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

I think the real question here is: "What on Hydaelyn do you mean by 'make a twink'?"

I swear, if this involves a scantily-clad catboy instead of a fundamental misunderstanding of how gear works before level 50...

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I think you suffer from a great misunderstanding here from what twinking realy means. Making a twink or twinking always means that you make another char besides from your main character on your account. It has allways bean this way since i started playing MMOs 20 years ago. It has nothing to do with what you plan to do with that new character. Some ppl make twinks just for fun, for playing with friends, for, jobs, for rp, for gearing up another class or just for more inventory and thats just some of the possible reasons.

I prefer the term twunk

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I think you suffer from a great misunderstanding here from what twinking realy means. Making a twink or twinking always means that you make another char besides from your main character on your account. It has allways bean this way since i started playing MMOs 20 years ago. It has nothing to do with what you plan to do with that new character. Some ppl make twinks just for fun, for playing with friends, for, jobs, for rp, for gearing up another class or just for more inventory and thats just some of the possible reasons.

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Uh... No, that's called an Alt... Twinking, or making a twink, is the act of making a character, with a massive gear advantage for its level. Most commonly used in the PvP aspect, of said game. This has been around since Ultima Online, and EQ etc etc, all the way to WoW. Example, in World of Warcraft, having Ilevel 50 gear on a level 19 character after the stat squish. Making that Level 19 character, able to one shot anyone in PvP.

There's no point to doing such a thing in FFXIV, since gear doesn't matter in PvP. Have to rely on skill and your party for kills.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Uh... No, that's called an Alt... Twinking, or making a twink, is the act of making a character, with a massive gear advantage for its level. Most commonly used in the PvP aspect, of said game. This has been around since Ultima Online, and EQ etc etc, all the way to WoW. Example, in World of Warcraft, having Ilevel 50 gear on a level 19 character after the stat squish. Making that Level 19 character, able to one shot anyone in PvP.

There's no point to doing such a thing in FFXIV, since gear doesn't matter in PvP. Have to rely on skill and your party for kills.

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Sorry but this isn't the case where i live. Maybe that's true for other country's, but here in Germany we use the term twink/twinking for making another char since mmos existed. And btw. this is just a normal character not a PvP twink or anything special.

DPS is the role with the most players, so they unfortunately tend to have longer wait times since they're quite literally 10 gil per dozen. Just gotta be paitent. I recommend finding small things to do during down time that don't take you too far from seeing/hearing the que up "CHING"

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Sorry but this isn't the case where i live. Maybe that's true for other country's, but here in Germany we use the term twink/twinking for making another char since mmos existed. And btw. this is just a normal character not a PvP twink or anything special.

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Huh... that's really interesting.
It's a safe guess that those two terms were related at some point, but I wonder when and why they diverged.

Either way, have your que times been going any better?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Huh... that's really interesting.
It's a safe guess that those two terms were related at some point, but I wonder when and why they diverged.

Either way, have your que times been going any better?

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Thank you for asking, yea Satasha was the only case where i had to way that long so far. Until now i usualy wait between 10-15 minutes. My only issue right now is that i dont know what to do until dungeon pops up to get fast xp.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Thank you for asking, yea Satasha was the only case where i had to way that long so far. Until now i usualy wait between 10-15 minutes. My only issue right now is that i dont know what to do until dungeon pops up to get fast xp.

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I'm glad to hear things are going better for you~

I think at that level, the best exp you can go after while in que is from FATEs and the hunting/challenge logs.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

I think the real question here is: "What on Hydaelyn do you mean by 'make a twink'?"

I swear, if this involves a scantily-clad catboy instead of a fundamental misunderstanding of how gear works before level 50...

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Hey now, the game GAVE me a leather harness and Jockstrap to wear at low level .. Its not my fault i make them look good

:P

OnTopic - Ive only been leveling tank so far. I havenʻt experienced long waits.. yet.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

I think the real question here is: "What on Hydaelyn do you mean by 'make a twink'?"

I swear, if this involves a scantily-clad catboy instead of a fundamental misunderstanding of how gear works before level 50...

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Create an alt and give them gear they wouldn't otherwise be able to get on their own. So like I craft a bunch of HQ gear on my main for my alt character and find a way to pass it to them. It was easier in older games like EQ which had a shared bank, but still possible now if you can get someone to help you or you have access to an FC chest, which is what I do since I have my own FC.

There are other meanings like you mentioned but that's been the usage for it in MMO gaming (just different aspect sometimes in different games) for over 20 years.

It's interesting that Germany uses the same term for just an alt character. There is a distinct difference in NA where "twink" means you've outfitted the character or "twinked" them out, and "alt" is just another character either on the same or another account. Though we didn't use character in EQ. We used toon.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Thank you for asking, yea Satasha was the only case where i had to way that long so far. Until now i usualy wait between 10-15 minutes. My only issue right now is that i dont know what to do until dungeon pops up to get fast xp.

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Run FATEs, do your hunting log, do your challenge log, do daily Hunt bills from your GC (though these sucked more in ARR since some were tied to FATES), and beast tribes.

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Originally Posted by JRat

OnTopic - Ive only been leveling tank so far. I havenʻt experienced long waits.. yet.

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Are you trying to troll? :D

Of course you don't have long wait times as tank or heal, often even instant invites because there are way more DD class players than everything else.^^