No more new races? I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of disappointed.

So we all know by now that Yoshi P intends to make this his life's work, which means we'll probably have multiple expansions after 6.0. It is pretty likely that FF14 will have as many expansions as WoW or FF11 over the ages.

Which makes me wonder... Are we seriously getting no more new races for ten or more years? I know that developing new races is not an easy task, but still, I would imagine they would be able to develop a new race every three expansions or so at the very least? WoW is still making new races even in the latest expansion. I hope FF14 will still continue to add more races just to keep things fresh. They don't have to develop totally new skeletons and animations for everything. We could make new variants of existing races that look sufficiently different. Just declaring that we will not get new races anymore (at the male Viera announcement) is pretty disappointing. Hopefully they're just trying to not overpromise too much and we will see a new race in a few years!

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Originally Posted by SecretIsland

They don't have to develop totally new skeletons and animations for everything. We could make new variants of existing races that look sufficiently different.

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This part is why I honestly don’t care about new races anymore. I understood all the starter races not differing too much at the beginning but the fact they’re still all so similar is pretty disappointing. Hrothgar and Viera weren’t even THAT different to miqote and roe, but they couldn’t even implement them without big drawbacks.

If we’re going to get a new race I’d like it to actually be something different. A playable beastman, a quadrupedal creature, something. Anything. But if we’re just going to just keep getting human crossed with x animal, then keep it. Use the resources somewhere else.

I don't think it's fair to ask for new races considering the way gear works in this game. As time goes on, every new race would require several years worth of backlog to work through. FF14 just was never a game for interesting or unique races, to be fair. They play is safe, and even with all the very human looking races you can see there is heavy preference towards a certain.. frame.

What I can see happening is an expansion on character customization. Or, at least I would do so.

Honestly nothing is impossible. Male viera and female hrothgar were little other than a dream for players based on how SE seemed very disinclined to make them...and a few days ago SE literally showed us male viera player models and confirmed female hrothgar will be coming at a later point.

I don't think it's set in stone whether we will get new races or not, but I do think it won't happen any time soon. We cannot hope for it until female hrothgar are in the game and the head options issues with viera and hrothgar are in a far better state. It just wouldn't make sense for more new races to come while others are still in a state of being incomplete.

If the game continues for many more expansions, and I do think it will if it continues its current path, we could get more races but it won't be for at least a few years.

I think what could happen instead is that SE will expand on the current character creation options to give us more customisation features. I do think we'll see stuff like au ra horns no longer being locked to faces far sooner than getting a new race.

I think they should fix the problems with the races we have first before making new ones. Viera and Hrothgar - the hair styles and headgears are still bad. And the hrothgar mess with needing a fantasia to change the hair? Well...

After that they should make more face options (4 each race and only 2 of them are looking good is quite meh) and more customization options like tattoos, beards etc.

Of couse I understand that there is a pandemic still going. But I can dream, yeah?

Seeing how the latest ones have been implemented, I would not ask for new races.
They might have no arms or something...

There isn't a need for new races. Period.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

There isn't a need for new races. Period.

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There is always a need for new options..

Unless they give us talent systen where we can make jobs customize how we want them

I definitely want to see new races, but I believe there is higher priority before new races.

First, the graphical engine rework. We all know XIV is bound to get a graphical update, the hardware is not what it was 10 years ago, it's a bit too early to get rid of "PS4 limitations", not everyone has a PS5.
Second, the HD textures, it's the most important point in my opinion as pixelated clothes are attacking my eyes.
Third, the character customisation. Character customisation is quite limited. SQEX wanted to experience with body mass, they did through certain equipment, but it's one of many things to add to the customisation.

For example, they once said it's tough to add new head equipment because they need to check each faces in the game.

New races? Yes, maybe. But there is other priorities.

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Originally Posted by SecretIsland

WoW is still making new races even in the latest expansion.

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They're not making anything.

I would love new races but more so I would love better Customisation and some kind of body slider.

The problem is the old races look so dated next to the new. Viera are lovely they have beautiful options but they are so tall for me.

Would be lovely to fix the character creator but in all the years playing they never ever mention they would do this.

The way i see it - the best option for devs if they would ever want to add a new race is to actually add a new "sub" race, like we have Lalafells and there's Plainsfolk and Dunesfolk lalas, let's add some new lala to them with overall the same model just maybe some new touches on a skin, face, ears maybe and etc - this would be a better choice, without the need to create a fully new models and fit all of this to existing gear and etc. This is also a huge work ofc in case of explaining a new ones and introducing them to Eorzea but still more easier to do.

I think just adding more options to existing races/clans without any fanfare would be ideal at this point. No need to drag lore into it

Each new race increases the gear workload exponentially.
I'll hazard a guess that we currently have around 10,000 unique peices of armour in the game, and each expansion adds another 2,000.
Each of those needs to be tailored to each race and each gender, so we're currently at 160,000, with the next expansion requiring 32,000 additional unique gear models to take us to 192,000 total.

If you add another race to the next expansion. Instead of 32,000 additional unique models, it would require 56,000 additional unique models.

If you added a new race in 8.0 instead, it would require 60,000 additional models.

Oh hey, an old thread.

Revamping the character creation system to give folks more options would be appreciated, at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

They're not making anything.

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If we're talking about Dragonflight, one of the selling points for the expansion is getting to play as "Dracthyr", a race of Dragonkin written into the setting in that very expansion.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dracthyr

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Each new race increases the gear workload exponentially.
I'll hazard a guess that we currently have around 10,000 unique peices of armour in the game, and each expansion adds another 2,000.
Each of those needs to be tailored to each race and each gender, so we're currently at 160,000, with the next expansion requiring 32,000 additional unique gear models to take us to 192,000 total.

If you add another race to the next expansion. Instead of 32,000 additional unique models, it would require 56,000 additional unique models.

If you added a new race in 8.0 instead, it would require 60,000 additional models.

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No it doesn't. It needs to be tailored to a few races that actually have unique bodies, namely male Roegady, Lalafell, male Midlander, male Highlander and female Midlander. Every other race/gender combination uses one of those distinct bodies and the rest is done through bones scaling, they do not need to make a completely new model for every race and gender, that is a remnant of 1.0 where all of them actually had their own custom body and these models were kept for the old gear that they ported over.

As an example, every single female character besides Lalafell uses the female Midlander model and that model is simply changed by scaling bones to achieve differences like wider shoulders, thicker legs and arms or longer necks.
The only piece of gear that often needs to be different for every race/gender combination is the helmet because head models are actually unique for all of them.

If we want to talk about things that take a lot more work with every new race it would be animations, those need to be done for every race/gender separately to keep their unique bone scaling or different posture.

They really don't need more races just add options to each race now that let you customize then to look like whatever race you want play. For example, with Viera give you an option you t0 add fox ears and fox tail.

The problem with new races (imo) is fitting them into the lore and story. New races ideally need to be fitted into all aspects of the story from ARR up to current content (making them feel as a proper race of the world) or it just feels weird playing as a race with no representation in the world until you hit later levels (especially when NPC's don't acknowledge your rarity at the time).

I suppose one way around this would be having 7.0/8.0/whatever expansion as a whole different experience where new players start in the time of THAT expansion and maybe have everything from 2.0-6.0 as a "back-story" that you experience by talking to an NPC (maybe Tataru or the Minstrel, or even pick up the "soul stone" of the original WoL and re-live their memories - taking on the mantle of the bygone warrior of legend) before moving onto new content/story - that way it wouldn't really matter that your WoL doesn't really fit-in to the environment/lore as you're kind of assuming the role of a different character to hear/witness the story of what happened.

That said, FFXI has been going on for decades and never added any new races so it's not really a necessary thing to keep adding new races to an MMO. As others have noted, I'd prefer more refinement of current races, new customisation options, etc. over a new race at present.

Finish the broken ones first.

The last couple races have been a trainwreck. Both remain incomplete to this day. Hopefully SE will fix what they have since they aren't interested in adding more. They all need a ton of work.

For the love of God, let Highlanders have friggin' eyebrows. There are much more egregious issues with the existing races, but Highlanders not even being allowed to have eyebrows has to be the funniest.

Dont need new races.. we need more options.. like more hairstyles,faces,body types ect

I'm gonna have to say I'm in agreement that what we need isn't more races but more customization options for what we already have, that includes actually finishing Viera and Hrothgar. Fem Elezen still only have two different face structures, they just padded the face options by having two options with makeup and two without there are some mild shape differences between the makeup and no makeup faces but they are still mostly the same. Hellsguard roegadyn should have the option to not have the nose strip, the warrior trainer doesn't have it (although this is merely achieved by using a sea wolf model with a hellsguard skintone). Also the weird rationing of eyebrows needs to stop. Some faces get more eyebrow, or even an option to have thicker brows, and some get less, male highlanders get none which is an absolute crime. I know some lorebook came up with a half baked excuse of it being a cultural thing but not everyone from the same culture would view it the same. Also Ivon Couerlfist had some THICK eyebrows and he was definitely a highlander.

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The last couple races have been a trainwreck. Both remain incomplete to this day. Hopefully SE will fix what they have since they aren't interested in adding more. They all need a ton of work.

For the love of God, let Highlanders have friggin' eyebrows. There are much more egregious issues with the existing races, but Highlanders not even being allowed to have eyebrows has to be the funniest.

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It's actually so dumb. They gave face 2 hrothgars an eyebrow option in one of the 6.x patches and it's wild how much of a difference it made. Why the HECK have highlanders not been given this option all this time???

On topic: I would freaking love more races, especially bangaa. However, the reality is, or at least my opinion is, that Square would do a very poor job of creating a new race that isn't a copy/paste of hyur/miqo, both due to their design choices and their design restrictions. Au ras still to this day have silly issues, miqo'tes have issues, the limitations on bodies due to the way the game is designed is very frustrating and doesn't really bode well for any unique races going forward, and I'd rather not have copy/paste "new" races of existing races tbh.

I want my Burmecians, but I'm more likely to catch a bullet through the foot before SE can implement new races without hilariously bass-ackwards limitations.

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It's actually so dumb. They gave face 2 hrothgars an eyebrow option in one of the 6.x patches and it's wild how much of a difference it made. Why the HECK have highlanders not been given this option all this time???

On topic: I would freaking love more races, especially bangaa. However, the reality is, or at least my opinion is, that Square would do a very poor job of creating a new race that isn't a copy/paste of hyur/miqo, both due to their design choices and their design restrictions. Au ras still to this day have silly issues, miqo'tes have issues, the limitations on bodies due to the way the game is designed is very frustrating and doesn't really bode well for any unique races going forward, and I'd rather not have copy/paste "new" races of existing races tbh.

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I like to think my Highlander just did 100 squats, 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, and then ran 10KM every day until his eyebrows fell out.

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I like to think my Highlander just did 100 squats, 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, and then ran 10KM every day until his eyebrows fell out.

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Damn Renalt you must've not gotten any of the sweat out of your brows for them to fall out like that.

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Damn Renalt you must've not gotten any of the sweat out of your brows for them to fall out like that.

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no sweat glands. I roll around in mud to cool off.

Since this specific thread returned.

The whole wait and see what if anything 7.0 Changes.

Chance of new race unlikely.
If it does.
They better focus on the existing ones first.

[They plan 10 years, so we have to wait and see what changes in that time. near or far. and obviously not stop asking for things that are fair enough to ask]

I'm not - They've mishandled the newer races enough for there to be work that effectively warrants several races alone.

Furthermore, I think they should work on expanding the pre-existing races and character creation features long before they work on newer races. I would like to see a greater deal of customization across all races, not just inflation on the variety of different races.

Yeah I feel like fixing some of the character creation features would be more beneficial at the moment than new races, plus there is still female hrothgar that are going to come out. But new races in the future could still be cool too.

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Originally Posted by SecretIsland

WoW is still making new races even in the latest expansion.

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Square Enix isn't Blizzard. Square Enix does not have the personnel, budget, or desire to carry on a game as large and ambitious as WoW. We're not as big as that game.

And that's okay! Many people here are fine with less. They love the game as-is. They don't need any new content, and are perfectly content no matter how long our droughts are (some say we never have droughts at all!). So to ask the community to accept a new race is a bit much. FFXIV players are perhaps the least-demanding and most easy-to-please gamers in any community I've seen. They're grateful for anything that Square Enix publishes--unless it ruins their glam, of course.

After all, you wouldn't think a bad thought about our dear Yoshi-P, would you?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

There isn't a need for new races. Period.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

They're not making anything.

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After Endwalker, we should tell our guy to get himself a much-deserved early retirement!

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Originally Posted by SecretIsland

So we all know by now that Yoshi P intends to make this his life's work, which means we'll probably have multiple expansions after 6.0. It is pretty likely that FF14 will have as many expansions as WoW or FF11 over the ages.

Which makes me wonder... Are we seriously getting no more new races for ten or more years? I know that developing new races is not an easy task, but still, I would imagine they would be able to develop a new race every three expansions or so at the very least? WoW is still making new races even in the latest expansion. I hope FF14 will still continue to add more races just to keep things fresh. They don't have to develop totally new skeletons and animations for everything. We could make new variants of existing races that look sufficiently different. Just declaring that we will not get new races anymore (at the male Viera announcement) is pretty disappointing. Hopefully they're just trying to not overpromise too much and we will see a new race in a few years!

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It is understandable though.

I mean, look how hard it is to get old hats to work with the newer races that we have. All of them envy the catgirls who get many hats to accomidate their ears.

Besides, even if they released new races the most popular will still be Male Hyur and Female Miq'to. So that's something to consider.

make a lalafell mark 2 race!
I'll accept lopporits

If they're not willing to put forth the effort with the races we have now, why would we want them to add more?

This has been discussed before but I would want them to make more clans than races. Or at the very bare least, open up all customization options for the two clans. How come there's some npcs that have features from their opposing clan?

no, how about double amount of options and body sliders in character creations?

I'd actually prefer that they put more options into customisation instead of creating a new race. At least freeing up resources would allow that.

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WoW is still making new races even in the latest expansion

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Their "races" are reskins or the same race in new gear...their Lightforged for example. They are a JOKE.

Not to mention that the most popular Allied Race (after adding non-purple skin tones) are the Void Elves by a massive margin and they're just Blood Elves with less options.

Viangaa is going to be announced any day now.