Request SE: Show "you had this" or "you dont have this" for mounts/minions

When I cant remember about what I have or dont have.

In list.
- mounts
- minions
- where from they drop/vendor/mogstation

Could update mounts and minions list show where find them.

Like Gold Saucer's cards had better updated.
Show where find cards in Card List.

Please . Do this, dear SE.

I'd prefer it if you could see it on the Marketboard. Like with a ✅ if you own it or not.

I just want learned/unlearned indicators on tooltips. It's insane that that isn't a thing.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

I'd prefer it if you could see it on the Marketboard. Like with a ✅ if you own it or not.

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But, if others mount/minion not allow use in marketboard.
It's not work. Like mount drop from from duty.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

I just want learned/unlearned indicators on tooltips. It's insane that that isn't a thing.

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Especially with things like orchestrion rolls where the list is enormous.

About the only thing you can do now is spend a couple hours on ffxivcollect setting up what you currently have and then use that to check. But that's a pain for something that should definitely just be part of the UI.

Oh shoot, this came up last month but I can't find Yoshi's response.
Basically, he said for things like Orchestrion scrolls that data is physically kept in a different computer than the ones that tracks your regular inventory... and these computers aren't able to talk to each other.
The game can check if you have a minion or not while rolling on it because minion info is stored in that second bank, not the one that tracks your Orchestrion scrolls.
He said that making those systems talk to each other so when you're rolling on loot it could mark what you have, or prevent you from rolling on it... would create an unmanageable amount of extra traffic between them.
Maybe the game will be able to track what Orchestrion scrolls you have better in the future, but I would not hold my breath on this change : (

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Oh shoot, this came up last month but I can't find Yoshi's response.
Basically, he said for things like Orchestrion scrolls that data is physically kept in a different computer than the ones that tracks your regular inventory... and these computers aren't able to talk to each other.
The game can check if you have a minion or not while rolling on it because minion info is stored in that second bank, not the one that tracks your Orchestrion scrolls.
He said that making those systems talk to each other so when you're rolling on loot it could mark what you have, or prevent you from rolling on it... would create an unmanageable amount of extra traffic between them.
Maybe the game will be able to track what Orchestrion scrolls you have better in the future, but I would not hold my breath on this change : (

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The rigidness of this games entire backend continues to astound me.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Oh shoot, this came up last month but I can't find Yoshi's response.
Basically, he said for things like Orchestrion scrolls that data is physically kept in a different computer than the ones that tracks your regular inventory... and these computers aren't able to talk to each other.
The game can check if you have a minion or not while rolling on it because minion info is stored in that second bank, not the one that tracks your Orchestrion scrolls.
He said that making those systems talk to each other so when you're rolling on loot it could mark what you have, or prevent you from rolling on it... would create an unmanageable amount of extra traffic between them.
Maybe the game will be able to track what Orchestrion scrolls you have better in the future, but I would not hold my breath on this change : (

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The more I hear about how this game's backend is set up the more I'm convinced it's some kind of Lovecraftian horror the likes of which would drive you mad should you look directly upon it.

None of that makes any sense. So how do they store that data if the two systems can't communicate with each other? Some intern transfers it with floppy disks or something?

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Originally Posted by Xegodar

The rigidness of this games entire backend continues to astound me.

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RIGHT!?

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Originally Posted by Callinon

None of that makes any sense. So how do they store that data if the two systems can't communicate with each other? Some intern transfers it with floppy disks or something?

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I found the original quote. I hope that helps~
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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5446543

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Q: Please make it easier to tell if we already own a certain minion, orchestrion roll, or Triple Triad card when they drop as rewards or are displayed on the market board!

Yoshida: I’d like to answer this one, since it isn’t limited to UI. At the moment, this would be difficult to handle on the server side. Your character save data, including data on whether or not you own a certain item, is stored on a database server. In order to check whether you own a certain minion, for example, would require interacting with this database server. If we multiply this by several tens of thousands of players doing this simultaneously, this would put an unimaginable amount of strain on the database server.

Another possible method would be to store this item possession status as local data on the client side, which would be your computer or PS4. However, since FFXIV has an immense number of items which will only continue to increase, this method would affect memory usage and is unrealistic as well.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Oh shoot, this came up last month but I can't find Yoshi's response.
Basically, he said for things like Orchestrion scrolls that data is physically kept in a different computer than the ones that tracks your regular inventory... and these computers aren't able to talk to each other.
The game can check if you have a minion or not while rolling on it because minion info is stored in that second bank, not the one that tracks your Orchestrion scrolls.
He said that making those systems talk to each other so when you're rolling on loot it could mark what you have, or prevent you from rolling on it... would create an unmanageable amount of extra traffic between them.
Maybe the game will be able to track what Orchestrion scrolls you have better in the future, but I would not hold my breath on this change : (

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I found the original quote. I hope that helps~
Sauce:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5446543

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Oh god that's so much worse.

It's not that the backend code is unmanageable, it's that they have no concept of how a database works.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Oh god that's so much worse.

It's not that the backend code is unmanageable, it's that they have no concept of how a database works.

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All we can do is hope it's a translation flub and that's not what they meant because... my god...

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Originally Posted by ItMe

All we can do is hope it's a translation flub and that's not what they meant because... my god...

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There is an unofficial plugin for the game that does exactly this, so that's fairly head scratching.

"Adds and indicator in item tooltips to show whether you have acquired that item.
This indicator is in the item's description near the bottom and only appears for items that are unlockable, such as orchestrion rolls, minions, etc."

The proof: https://goatcorp.github.io/DalamudPlugins/plugins

Search for "Good Memory"

You probably don't want to be linking that here.

I'm not claiming to use it, I don't have any screenshots of what it looks like in game and honestly couldn't describe it to you. I just know that it exists.

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Originally Posted by TW-Luna

There is an unofficial plugin for the game that does exactly this, so that's fairly head scratching.

"Adds and indicator in item tooltips to show whether you have acquired that item.
This indicator is in the item's description near the bottom and only appears for items that are unlockable, such as orchestrion rolls, minions, etc."

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the difference is that this plugin is client side, its not keeping track of thousands of players at once, but only your client.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

the difference is that this plugin is client side, its not keeping track of thousands of players at once, but only your client.

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But YoshiP also ruled out locally saved data as a solution in the quote that Brightamethyst dug up.

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Originally Posted by TW-Luna

But YoshiP also ruled out locally saved data as a solution in the quote that Brightamethyst dug up.

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It's possible he's over-thinking the problem, and not realizing that you don't need to reference the entire DB to get the desired results.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

The more I hear about how this game's backend is set up the more I'm convinced it's some kind of Lovecraftian horror the likes of which would drive you mad should you look directly upon it.

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It is indeed some loopy Yog-Sothothery. It also never ceases to amaze; I mean, I know you can't always be forward-thinking and planning, but this always comes across as much worse than that. I do not envy the dev team and pals on this.

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Originally Posted by TW-Luna

But YoshiP also ruled out locally saved data as a solution in the quote that Brightamethyst dug up.

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Sorry, which quote Brightamethyst dug up?

I don't mind if the game can't check if I already have a minion or mount when rolling loot or bying in the marketboard.

But a list like orchestrion roll wouldn't be bad.
At least you know what you have and what you still need to get.

Wholeheartedly support to include orchestrions.

The ability to sort food items by ilvl would be nice as well.

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Originally Posted by Xegodar

The rigidness of this games entire backend continues to astound me.

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The rigidness of this games backend is artificial as it lacks investment. They can port it to a PS5 but not figure out something simple like this? There are multiple features they could add to the game to make the UI more friendly but always fall back on the same excuses.

Lets just say I personally do not play FF14 the same way I would have played WoW. Glamour collection is limited, mount collection is a pain and other things are just extremely difficult to keep track of without outside plugins that could get you banned.

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Q: Please make it easier to tell if we already own a certain minion, orchestrion roll, or Triple Triad card when they drop as rewards or are displayed on the market board!

Yoshida: I’d like to answer this one, since it isn’t limited to UI. At the moment, this would be difficult to handle on the server side. Your character save data, including data on whether or not you own a certain item, is stored on a database server. In order to check whether you own a certain minion, for example, would require interacting with this database server. If we multiply this by several tens of thousands of players doing this simultaneously, this would put an unimaginable amount of strain on the database server.

Another possible method would be to store this item possession status as local data on the client side, which would be your computer or PS4. However, since FFXIV has an immense number of items which will only continue to increase, this method would affect memory usage and is unrealistic as well.

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There are addons for WoW (Where 3rd party addons are officially allowed and supported) that do exactly that (client side). And WoW has been going on for far longer than FF14 and has even more items.

As for taking up too much memory to see what orchestrion rolls/mounts/minions/TT cards you have, sorry but I'm calling BS on that. According to Eorzea Database, there are 397 minions, 518 orchestrion rolls, 198 mounts*, and 316 Triple Triad cards, or 1429 collectibles total. That could be stored client side as a key/value associative array, with a 32 bit integer for the item id, and a boolean for whether or not you have it in your collection. That should not take up more than a few kilobytes of memory on your computer/PS4/PS5, an absolutely minuscule amount.

* Mounts were listed as "Other" on Eorzea Database for some reason, so I had to count the mounts on the list on Gamer Escape wiki.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Sorry, which quote Brightamethyst dug up?

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I just noticed it was your post with the link to the Q+A, sorry.

I like collecting things in this game, though I'd definitely appreciate an easier way to keep track of what I have and what I do not have.

perhaps they are worried about hacking those values if it's stored client side.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

I'd prefer it if you could see it on the Marketboard. Like with a ✅ if you own it or not.

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

But, if others mount/minion not allow use in marketboard.
It's not work. Like mount drop from from duty.

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A simple green tick or red cross on the UI over the item image or on the UI of it's description would be the best way, it can check client side to see if the item is unlocked and display it, it would be a very simple yes/no check that would be easily seen, this would even count to untraceable mounts such as trial mounts as you would see it on the tool bars.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

perhaps they are worried about hacking those values if it's stored client side.

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To what end? The actual owned/not owned values would still be stored server-side for validation. A simple temporary client-side file could store that data while the player is logged in for simple lookup purposes. I suppose someone could hack that file but all it would do is fool them into thinking they owned something they don't.

Desperately in need of this for everything from minions to orchestration rolls.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

It's possible he's over-thinking the problem, and not realizing that you don't need to reference the entire DB to get the desired results.

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Actually store what you have local - ffs its like a few mb even on a million items, if its not on your list you dont have it.

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Originally Posted by TW-Luna

I just noticed it was your post with the link to the Q+A, sorry.

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Ooooh, ok.
Lol I though I'd missed something.