Good morning all!
I'm writing to share some ideas for improvement that I hold dear regarding achievements.
Why do I think the system needs to be improved?
In my opinion, ff14 is sorely lacking in "complicated" achievements, the majority of them is being obtain by simply playing (completing dungeons, challenges, leveling up and so on).
The system for collecting different items can be improved (I don't see why you have to look in each achievement category to get your item back? Especially when you don't know in which category it is).
Items at the merchant can be bought too quickly and there are too few (I have everything in my possession and I still have more than 100 tokens!).
How could we improve that?
First, by allowing the player to obtain more interesting items with achievement tokens (new unique mount, mascot, outfits, legendary component ?, etc.).
Improve the achievement system in general, by adding achievements requiring the player to be really good, defeating a boss in X minutes, finishing enemies without players taking a vulnerability, add achievements for guilds? (get a guild house, finish a guild raid? or what do I know!).
Another addition that could be nice and go beyond success would be the addition of jumping puzzles? (with success). I loved Kugane's and always wondered why there wasn't more (being a fan of jumping puzzles thanks in particular to guild wars 2).
What do you think?
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10-05-2020, 06:03 AMassassindiedThe achievements
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10-05-2020, 06:36 AMCanadane
1.0 legacy achievements had some interesting ones. Such as beating a boss a specific way or working a specific time. My favourite Breathless, it was not using any fruit in AV, which I wish was a title I could show off.
I would be down for better achievements for sure. Right now they are mostly dull grinds. -
10-05-2020, 06:46 AMznushuPersonally I think the achievement system is fine but it would be nice if we could obtain more items with the Achievement tokens.Quote:
Originally Posted by assassindied
I don't see the point in adding in achievements like "beat boss in X time" as that just breeds more competitiveness which in-turn causes more issues of toxicity.
I do like the idea of adding in more jump puzzles with tangible rewards though but jumping in this product just isn't that fluid to go nuts with platforming as anyone who had their character standing on air when on a edge would tell you.
Though I would say the thing that should be added in (in my opinion) is a achievement for having completed all of the following quests: "Friends Forever", "Eternity, Loyalty, Honesty", and "What a Wonder-full World" and then attaching a mount to it as that would entice more to do such a thing outside of what's already there, which in all honesty isn't alot since you can just buy most of those rewards straight from on the Market Board or even events, thus making their value as a reward less so since you could just buy it instead of spending weeks to months of dailies to earn it. -
10-05-2020, 07:57 AMDrWho2010
more acheivements/titles to get would be fine with me but the problem is the rewards needed to be attached to them. the system is woefully underutilized as it is right now. if there's no carrot to go after that's enticing enough, then it's just all fluff. there also doesn't seem to be a push to make more rewards available either in this regard.
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10-05-2020, 09:24 AMEspritduo
I don't really want more things to "spend" my achievement points on. The token system was meant for new players to get old veteran rewards, it wasn't a system designed for achievement hunters. I don't like the idea of using up my achievements that I've earned in the first place, and would rather simply have threshold achievements tied to certain point totals. Like, getting 1000 achievement points gives you a starter level title like Worker Bee or something. 5000 points is some little minion of Jonathas or something. 10,000 points would be a nice title like "Over-achiever" and 20,000 points would be a spiffy mount like a golden chocobo (or golden fat chocobo!). This would make all achievements valuable since all points would be used towards these goals.
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10-05-2020, 10:07 AMCanadaneYour achievement score doesn't decrease as you spend the tokens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Espritduo
The accrual is based on new achievements earned and it is a separate currency from your actual achievement points.
Personally I'd enjoy something for the hunters to go after. Some big ticket items. -
10-05-2020, 02:21 PMEspon
I liked the achievement system in WoW. They were account-wide and you had interesting achievements like beating a boss a certain way or performing certain feats. For example, they'd be something like "Defeat Ramuh in Eden's Verse: Fulmination (Normal) without anyone in the raid having more than 2 stacks of Surge Protection at any time." Something you'd do as a pre-made group or with your friends.
I also liked how achievements earned would be broadcasted to your guild (FC) and not just to those around you. Certain server firsts would be broadcasted to everyone, like first group to clear Eden, or first person to reach level 80 on a particular class.
And I agree having more things to spend tokens on would be nice. -
10-05-2020, 02:32 PM24842
I'd prefer if achievements were account & not character based
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10-05-2020, 05:03 PMVyrerus
Yeah, I'd love if they could link achievements across characters on the same account. I know why they don't, and I also know that this would upset some RP people, but man... getting a really big achievement and then logging over to a character that can't show it off is a real drag sometimes.
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10-06-2020, 12:15 AMassassindied
I don't think it is a good idea that the achievement is link to all the characters because by creating a new character you enjoy starting again all the stuff.
"I don't see the point in adding in achievements like "beat boss in X time" as that just breeds more competitiveness which in-turn causes more issues of toxicity."
I don't think it will improve the toxicity because i don't think this will be done with pick-up. It will give people who want some challenges some rewards, I don't think it is a bad idea.
We also can add "set achievement" like getting all the stuff from X dungeon. It will increase the number of people doing the old dungeon and reduce the timing to enter in old dungeons. -
10-06-2020, 12:34 AMLiam_HarperAgreed, WoW handled that well. There was usually a mount reward for clearing the special achievements for all bosses and it meant you had something extra to do once you had the bosses on farm. Ramuh would probably be something like passing the add to every player in the party or e7 would have you kill all 3 adds within 10 sec of each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Espon
Another thing I'd like is rewards for achievement milestones. Like a mount for 10k, 15k, 20k, ect. That just creates things to do out of thin air for very little development resources since players would be encouraged to dive into content they normally wouldn't or revisit old content to dig for achievement points. -
10-06-2020, 01:10 AMDPZ2
The achievement system in this game is not the achievement system in WoW, nor is there any particular reason for it to be changed into a clone of the WoW system.
I find this nostalgia for another game to be a bit disappointing. If all you wanted is a full WoW-clone by another name, why bother playing this game? You can get all of that great stuff in WoW itself. WoW is still available, there are a lot of players there. It has game mechanics you appreciate. Go, play. Come back here when you want something with a different emphasis.
Go for the PvP, come back for the story. Go for the achievement system, come back for the crafting and gathering. Go for the "two warring factions", come back for the "you matter" in this game.
Then go play Blade & Soul or Rift or TESO or SWOTR or GW2 for the things you like about those MMOs. Come back when you're done savoring the differences that make those games what they are, when you want what FFXIV currently offers. -
10-06-2020, 01:27 AMRokkeQuote:
Originally Posted by DPZ2
“The achievements feel lacking” =/= “wow is the best game ever and I wish ffxiv was anime wow”. It is possible to recognize aspects that we like/think could be improved in this game and in others.
IMO weird achievements like kill X with Y or die while doing Z could be fun. Wouldn’t mind more carrots to keep me running dungeons/trials. -
10-06-2020, 04:41 AMEspritduoIt is a limited currency though, that's the issue. You want a big ticket item, but if buying it means you no longer have enough tickets to buy some other big ticket items, then that's dumb. Unless they make the big ticket items so cheap that you can still buy them all easily...which defeats the entire purpose of them being big ticket. Something for the hunters to go after would be exactly what I suggested - achievement rewards that are based on achievement point totals. Same thing, but without the annoyance of being attached to a limited currency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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10-06-2020, 04:53 AMDracotheDragoni would love for that to be an achievement again, it would be fun challenge to try it sync'd or unsync'dQuote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
some fun 'self-challanges' achievements to bring a new spin and new life into some older content akin to the Blu challenges/achievements -
10-06-2020, 05:14 AMEriane_Elis
Some achievements make no sense (time wise) to complete if you were to be a completionist. But the bigger problem is that you cannot complete all achievements unless you were there for 1.0 and have a legacy account and continued to stay subscribed since then and participated in every event and won every PvP tourney. I'm not bothered by completing achievements because it's impossible.
I would much rather they stop with the mindless grinding achievements like S rank for example and focused on a better system. 500 hours for an achievement is silly, it's not an achievement it's pretty pitiful. An achievement would be more skill based rather than grinding or RNG which SE seems to adore.
You know, I wasn't thinking about a FF14 anime but now that you mention it, I think it would do really well as one, maybe... I mean given that they don't make the whole ARR ark about accepting a quest, turning 90 degrees, talking to someone else and then the quest is over. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rokke
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10-06-2020, 06:07 AMCanadaneNo that sounds great, it just means more drive to achieve more, as it's only limited to the number of achievements you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Espritduo
Right now I have 400+ of unused achievement certificates. Adding a couple of cool things for 150 certificates isn't going to break my bank, and would probably give an average player something to strive for. -
10-06-2020, 06:33 AMBrightamethystI love that sort of thing. Inevitable WoW comparison incoming, but I love how WoW has the dungeon meta achievements. Beat boss x without killing any adds, beat boss y while everyone has at least 4 stacks of [debuff], beat boss z without letting it cast [spell], etc, and if you get them all there's a title and fancy mount. I miss that sort of optional challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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10-06-2020, 09:44 AMJojoyaUltimately, achievement systems were added to create the illusion there are more things to do in a game by adding specific goals for players to work towards so they play keep playing longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis
Skill based achievements are once then done. Take a couple of hours or maybe a couple of days to learn the mechanics, prove your skill, get whatever reward it gives. You can stop playing since there's no point in repeating it. It doesn't keep you engaged for the long term.
RNG and grind achievements mean continuing to log in to work on those achievements until you earn them. You usually stay engaged for the long term. Even if you get lucky with RNG on the first one so you complete it quickly, there's always another that takes much longer.
There's room for skill based achievements but the grind and RNG based ones are more important to the long term purpose of an achievement system.