Personal appeal - Please don't make every major boss an instance

Obviously I don't know for a fact that they plan on doing that, but I thought I'd just put it out there that open world content is something that I, and I'm sure many others, find very appealing.

Once 2.0 hits and brings along the new world design, I hope the developers begin to focus on developing content that exists in a persistent state on each server as opposed to relegating everything to the planned dungeon finder. Being able to wander around off the road paths, finding yourself smack dab in a creepy cave full of mobs way to high level for you is a very thrilling experience. Carefully sneaking around, trying your best not to draw agro just for the sheer fun of it. Eventually you'd find yourself in the deepest catacombs, where you'd find a rather impressive looking boss mob wandering around. You'd awe at the sight, before inevitably getting hate and one shotted, still having a blast despite not gaining anything

And just to clarify, I'm talking about both boss mobs/NMs that roam the fields, and those that have open world dungeons built for them; no time limits or secondary objectives, just a difficult journey to perhaps find something cool~

Who else would like to see the same?

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I agree. Prepare to defend your idea from the mob of people that will storm this thread to negate your post.

Odin is predicted to be Open-World.

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OP, the casual players will cry to SE and call us nazi-elitists for out pulling the NM/HNM/Boss or what have you. They're like the Neo-American-Socialists, bunch of lazy, non-competitive, cry babies that couldn't survive in my world.

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Originally Posted by illriginalized

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OP, the casual players will cry to SE and call us nazi-elitists for out pulling the NM/HNM/Boss or what have you. They're like the Neo-American-Socialists, bunch of lazy, non-competitive, cry babies that couldn't survive in my world.

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I'm not trying to segregate or discriminate between "hardcore" and "casual" players. In fact, I honestly don't see how open world content is inherently more "hardcore" than instanced content. What I am trying to say, however, is that open world content has a different feel and appeal (A greater sense of immersion and exploration) than instanced content (Which also has it's merits), and that I really hope the developers don't fall into creating only content of the instanced variety due to the coming dungeon finder (and the fact that all recent new content has been instanced)

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Originally Posted by Jocko

I'm not trying to segregate or discriminate between "hardcore" and "casual" players. In fact, I honestly don't see how open world content is inherently more "hardcore" than instanced content. What I am trying to say, however, is that open world content has a different feel and appeal (A greater sense of immersion and exploration) than instanced content (Which also has it's merits), and that I really hope the developers don't fall into creating only content of the instanced variety due to the coming dungeon finder (and the fact that all recent new content as been instanced)

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I personally appreciate your measured tone, Jocko. illriginalized is a bit overly aggressive, and doesn't tend to handle arguments very well, if his thread on gear-swapping is any indication ;)

In response to your original post - I agree completely. I'm hoping the dungeon finder is mostly restricted to the events that were a PITA (re: required end-game shells and all the associated drama) for casual players to enjoy in FFXI. Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage and Einherjar all come to mind. These sorts of larger-scale battlefields seem ideally suited for a content finder, because everyone could then participate if they want to, without having to put up with the elitist community that dominated FFXI's end-game scene.

Keeping *other* types of events away from the content finder (random wandering NMs, story missions, even small-group instanced content like Assault) would give us the best of both worlds, as this would still allow for the community building and feeling of exploration that a lot of us remember fondly from FFXI. Just my thoughts, anyway.

I think as long as quest related enemies aren't tied to farm-worthy loot, I'm up for this.

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Originally Posted by Jocko

I'm not trying to segregate or discriminate between "hardcore" and "casual" players. In fact, I honestly don't see how open world content is inherently more "hardcore" than instanced content. What I am trying to say, however, is that open world content has a different feel and appeal (A greater sense of immersion and exploration) than instanced content (Which also has it's merits), and that I really hope the developers don't fall into creating only content of the instanced variety due to the coming dungeon finder (and the fact that all recent new content as been instanced)

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This is what I think, honestly.

For quests/missions: Instance

For drops: Non-instance or open world? Dunno the terminology. Or a mixture, some being instance some others being free to all for the sake of competitiveness.

For Primal: Instance arena

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

I personally appreciate your measured tone, Jocko. illriginalized is a bit overly aggressive, and doesn't tend to handle arguments very well, if his thread on gear-swapping is any indication ;).

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Oh man.. that barely scratches the surface. I can't even read more than 5 threads in a day or I'd have to go take anger management classes. Some of the posts I've seen in this forum makes me wonder why do some of these people even play the game? But meh

Oh it's this thread again.

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

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I agree. Prepare to defend your idea from the mob of people that will storm this thread to negate your post.

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I can't even be bothered at this point.

I just feel like FFXIV is taking the worst aspects of all the other MMOs out there (e.g., content finder, heavily instanced, heavily themepark, heavily restrictive gear even on crafting gear, gear grind, crafter irrelevance) and taking none of the good stuff (i.e., playability, interesting combat).

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

I just feel like FFXIV is taking the worst aspects of all the other MMOs out there (e.g., content finder, heavily instanced, heavily themepark, heavily restrictive gear even on crafting gear, gear grind, crafter irrelevance) and taking none of the good stuff (i.e., playability, interesting combat).

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Maybe this game is not going to be for you then.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Maybe this game is not going to be for you then.

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Exactly, the words "FFXIV is taking the worst things for an MMO game" is subjective.. No company can please anyone. It's common business logic, companies go for.. what will appeal the most of the fanbase. Content Finder etc etc is A big hit for most of the community.

The Minority can cry and complain all they want.. eventually they are just going to have to face the facts, and make an important discussion. Play or Go home. Simple as that

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Maybe this game is not going to be for you then.

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That's what many of us fear come 2.0.

Ah, I would prefer if we could keep the thread civil and on topic. I'm not arguing for or against anything beyond the inclusion of a healthy amount of open world content. My only issue is that the developers may focus on purely one type of content due to the inclusion of a dungeon/content finder, and I would like them to know that there are plenty of players who have a preference for other things

I also see nothing wrong with having open world bosses/NMs having loot worth farming for. I for one am an ample supporter of "side grades", equipment that remains useful in certain circumstances or used for unique builds (the Kraken Club in FFXI, for example). Creating a wide variety of equipment and spreading it among multiple types of content is the key to allowing all types of players to progress through the game

Doomsdayer People, they never quit do they? We barely no jack s**t and some people think they know what 2.0 is going to be like.

You guys crack me up

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Originally Posted by illriginalized

That's what many of us fear come 2.0.

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I'm kinda inclined to agree with you here. I worry a little about this game's future but they still have time to present something more appealing to the XI crowd. If SE is really ballsy enough to alienate XI players by flooding XIV with awhole bunch of WoW-like 'casual?' stuff (yes.. that's my opinion..) without catering to some of the greater aspects from XI then so be it. Everyone tries to clone WoW for profits.. yet everyone fails at actually pulling it off.. Wouldn't surprise me that XIV is forced to attempt a similar approach due to that devastating launch. I think going down that route would just eventually just lead this MMO into the dirt with the rest of the clones, but hell, let em try it if they want. XIV's dedicated player base primarily came from XI.. so if/when we leave.. good luck XIV. They'll be limping along with abunch of MMO-swapping casual players.. like the rest of the clones..

OP, Patriarch's thread (think called Highly Notorious Monsters) does a really good job of addressing this issue. Although he does talk about instanced content, it's really moreso focused on the content that we don't currently have (open-world). Might be better to add to that one since the Dev's are already taking a look at it. I do agree with you though, good post.

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Originally Posted by illriginalized

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OP, the casual players will cry to SE and call us nazi-elitists for out pulling the NM/HNM/Boss or what have you. They're like the Neo-American-Socialists, bunch of lazy, non-competitive, cry babies that couldn't survive in my world.

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I'm a casual player, and I'm all for NM/HNM/Bosses in the open world or what have you.

If anything, I find that it's the hardcore gamers who spend most of the time in the forums complaining about things that don't really matter in the long run~

this is true. people want choices. Bring on instanced thats fine but bring on open world to. thats also fine. Can never have to much content or have to many different types of content.

I doubt everything will be isntanced in 2.0

I think a lot of new content in this version is instanced because it will be much easier to transfer over to 2.0

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

I doubt everything will be isntanced in 2.0

I think a lot of new content in this version is instanced because it will be much easier to transfer over to 2.0

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Exactly, and in 2.0 I'm sure they will focus Heavily on Open world related content =)