Thrilled the new housing plots will be open to all private purchases right away

I never understood why they felt the need to force first-time buyers into this horrific cycle of waiting around a timer with no hope and everyone else can just relocate to new wards no questions asked.

I am thrilled they are allowing the new plots to be open to anyone with the gil ready to go. While I expect it to be a mad dash, fight to the death, as someone who transferred data centers and has a medium's worth of housing furnishings taking up all my retainer inventory space, I have a better chance of getting one now than before and NEED it otherwise I am going to have to buy like five apartments.

May the odds forever be in your favor. I guess I will aim for Goblet since everyone hates it (though I assume everyone will have the same idea).

I appreciate the new housing plots, but they would not need to add them in the first place if they would re-enable housing demolition. That would solve their problems with housing. End the practice of disabling housing demolition.

Don't worry bots will buy it in first 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Shenanigans

I appreciate the new housing plots, but they would not need to add them in the first place if they would re-enable housing demolition. That would solve their problems with housing. End the practice of disabling housing demolition.

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They also could enforce the limitation on players and FCs before the limitation came in place. Seeing many plots taken by the same FC is quite discouraging.

Let's hope that the people who grab the plots actually do something with them instead of letting them rot.

It was quite nice to see that SE changed their stance on how wards are released when they saw where the demands for housing was coming from.

It was pretty bleak seeing people feel pressured to leave their FCs to create new ones where they are the sole member, just so they could get a house.

Like it's important that real functioning FCs have access to housing too, but not like that. This seems more fair.

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While I expect it to be a mad dash, fight to the death,

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From the time the server is up, you will have less than a minute to secure the plot you WANT, and a couple minutes more to possibly get a second pick in that same ward.

Goblet larges on coeurl were gone by 5:03 am and mediums by 5:05, and thats with it being relocate / FC only, and only because the login queue was batching people in waves.

Fully expecting a bajillion threads in the wee hours of the morning briming with angry people who either didn't get a plot or didn't get the plot they felt entitled too. Happens every single time. Don't understand why they don't just completely overhaul the entire system instead of applying band-aid after band-aid attempting to appease people. The current system is horrendous.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

Fully expecting a bajillion threads in the wee hours of the morning briming with angry people who either didn't get a plot or didn't get the plot they felt entitled too. Happens every single time. Don't understand why they don't just completely overhaul the entire system instead of applying band-aid after band-aid attempting to appease people. The current system is horrendous.

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I like the current system.
I wouldn't want a instance housing.
Can't get a house, just get an apartment and wait until you can snag one.

Good luck! When Shirogane opened nearly every plot was gone with 5mins of patch drop.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

Don't understand why they don't just completely overhaul the entire system instead of applying band-aid after band-aid attempting to appease people. The current system is horrendous.

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People expect instanced housing to be a perfect cure with everyone getting a permanent 400 furniture slot house and a large garden, but it could just as well be very close to the already existing apartment system with maybe a greenhouse attached. The same apartment system which many players ignore on purpose because there is limited space.

I really like how housing is and it's wonderful that they are going to make housing available to more people without compromising houses of anyone affected by the pandemic. Perhaps in the next patch they should look into implementing the demolish timer again.

be thrilled now, because in the end most of you will probably unable to get one because of the competition anyway.

Make sure you are there the second the servers come up.

If SE let us have indoor gardens, half the fire and fury around houses over apartments would vanish.

Maybe i will try my luck at goblet

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Good luck! When Shirogane opened nearly every plot was gone with 5mins of patch drop.

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On many servers last ward addition private purchasers didn't even get a shot at housing. All the new houses were sold to FC and Shell (private) FC's before SE opened them to everyone. I think many are happy they at least have a shot at getting one this time without having to compete with 20 other people clicking a placard for hours.

I agree though the housing is going to be a free for all and most likely most will be sold out within the half hour. You can be sure this forum will be full of threads about the housing debacle and how people couldn't get into zones and so on.

I'm wondering if transfers will have their former houses go on timer or if they'll be added to the no demolition moratorium. They should be made immediately available with no timer as well in my opinion. Perhaps they'll lift the moratorium on demolition before 5.35 open or have it coincide with it.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

I like the current system.
I wouldn't want a instance housing.
Can't get a house, just get an apartment and wait until you can snag one.

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Why can't there be both - the current wards for those who like the wards plus instanced house plots for those who just want a house and could care less about being on display in a ward?

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Originally Posted by Holy_Shenanigans

I appreciate the new housing plots, but they would not need to add them in the first place if they would re-enable housing demolition. That would solve their problems with housing. End the practice of disabling housing demolition.

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They don't turn off demolition system out of a pure whim, you know, there's always a reason for it. They will reenable it once the situation in world is stable again.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

People expect instanced housing to be a perfect cure with everyone getting a permanent 400 furniture slot house and a large garden, but it could just as well be very close to the already existing apartment system with maybe a greenhouse attached. The same apartment system which many players ignore on purpose because there is limited space.

I really like how housing is and it's wonderful that they are going to make housing available to more people without compromising houses of anyone affected by the pandemic. Perhaps in the next patch they should look into implementing the demolish timer again.

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That is literally what a lot of people are asking for. More would be better, but the suggestion of just adding some sort of gardening plots to apartments has been suggested several times. The current system is archaic and only exists to cause strife.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

I like the current system.
I wouldn't want a instance housing.
Can't get a house, just get an apartment and wait until you can snag one.

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Why not both? Why not have wards (with a timer) for those that seemingly like the mostly empty things..and instanced housing for those of us that dont care about it?

Also an little apartment is not the solution if you want a house..and with the system working like its now snagging one is also not that easy. (And yes that comes from someone that owns an apartment, and two big ones..)

In the end if SE continues to gives us housing items as rewards for so many things they should make sure that everyone got a house..

it's naive if yoy think people gonna stop complaining after that, most will just ignore the instance housing like they did with apartment and complaining the again limited ward. as long as it's limited and feel premium people who don't have them will complain.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Shenanigans

I appreciate the new housing plots, but they would not need to add them in the first place if they would re-enable housing demolition. That would solve their problems with housing. End the practice of disabling housing demolition.

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How many people do you honestly think allow their houses to go into the demolition phase? All they'll do is stay subbed and step inside if they care enough to keep it. I recently took a break during 5.2; logging in only to cap for the week and playing other games. I probably missed the 45 day limit once. If I knew my house was in danger, I'd walk in, reset the timer and go back to my break. Most people are going to do that.

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Originally Posted by Xerkrosis

They also could enforce the limitation on players and FCs before the limitation came in place. Seeing many plots taken by the same FC is quite discouraging.

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Now this is something that would actually open up houses. It's frankly absurd we have such a shortage yet they grandfathered in people with 40+ houses.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

I like the current system.
I wouldn't want a instance housing.
Can't get a house, just get an apartment and wait until you can snag one.

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Maybe if Apartments weren't just glorified FC rooms this would actually be a viable option. As it stands, there is really no denying the current system is extremely flawed.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

How many people do you honestly think allow their houses to go into the demolition phase? All they'll do is stay subbed and step inside if they care enough to keep it. I recently took a break during 5.2; logging in only to cap for the week and playing other games. I probably missed the 45 day limit once. If I knew my house was in danger, I'd walk in, reset the timer and go back to make break. Most people are going to do that.

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You would be surprised how many houses get demoed. I saw regular rotation of empty lots pop up on gilgamesh, siren, and faerie from november to february. Its how I got my houses between 3 servers in a span of a month. The demo timer does works if it left on. You remember last year when they turned it on and how many plots opened? It was total chaos for almost a week. THen they added the new wards last June. People get a plot, play with housing gardening for a few months and just leave them to rot.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

You would be surprised how many houses get demoed. I saw regular rotation of empty lots pop up on gilgamesh, siren, and faerie from november to february. Its how I got my houses between 3 servers in a span of a month. The demo timer does works if it left on. You remember last year when they turned it on and how many plots opened? It was total chaos for almost a week. THen they added the new wards last June. People get a plot, play with housing gardening for a few months and just leave them to rot.

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Uh, those weren't from demolition. Those were from wards 19-21 being added with the release of patch 5.1 at the end of October. That added 720 new houses to each world.

Those who already owned a house were able to relocate to the new wards. FCs were able to purchase in the new wards. Individual players were able to purchase plots in the old wards that became available when the previous owner relocated.

The personal purchase moratorium in the new wards was removed when 5.2 was released mid February. What few houses were still available in the new wards were quickly purchased by those who hadn't been lucky enough to find a vacated plot in the old wards.

Demolition opens up maybe a few hundred houses per world each year, that's it. Technically it works but it's not nearly as effective in making houses available as you and others have assumed.

Also, it's not when the demo timer is reactivated that huge numbers of houses become available. That happens 45 days after the demo timer resumes. What happened in May of last year was the demo timer resumed around the same time we had the free transfers for the data center. Most of what ended up available last May/June was due to players transferring to other worlds, not the demo timer being resumed. When we hit the 45 days after demoltion resumed, far fewer houses appeared than players had hoped. The expansion hype plus free transfers had drawn a lot of inactive players to the game who managed to reset their demo timers before they lost their houses.

If they do this, it should be on a sunday. Everyone should literally be off on a sunday. This gives everyone a chance to get something.

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Uh, those weren't from demolition. Those were from wards 19-21 being added with the release of patch 5.1 at the end of October. That added 720 new houses to each world.

Those who already owned a house were able to relocate to the new wards. FCs were able to purchase in the new wards. Individual players were able to purchase plots in the old wards that became available when the previous owner relocated.

The personal purchase moratorium in the new wards was removed when 5.2 was released mid February. What few houses were still available in the new wards were quickly purchased by those who hadn't been lucky enough to find a vacated plot in the old wards.

Demolition opens up maybe a few hundred houses per world each year, that's it. Technically it works but it's not nearly as effective as you and others have assumed.

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Oh here is the Announcement. Demo timers came back on last april https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...115901bfe97a59

It may have not happened on Coeurl, but it did happen on Gilgamesh. It opened up a lot of plots immediately for us. I imagine the same thing will happen with this one. Point is the timers do more than you realize especially when they have been left of for long periods of time. You can look back in the housing thread for people looking for plots, complaining how unfair it is back from the end of april last year. People threatening to quit and such yet they are still here. So yea it did open up quite a bit and it took a couple of weeks. It was pretty chaotic.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I never understood why they felt the need to force first-time buyers into this horrific cycle of waiting around a timer with no hope and everyone else can just relocate to new wards no questions asked.

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Because people are going to people. There was a huge issue with people buying plots then reselling at a huge inflation rate to relinquish the land.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

That is literally what a lot of people are asking for. More would be better, but the suggestion of just adding some sort of gardening plots to apartments has been suggested several times. The current system is archaic and only exists to cause strife.

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I have suggested indoor gardening myself, but it's not enough for some people. They would not accept tiny instanced houses just like they don't accept apartments as a viable option. See?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Maybe if Apartments weren't just glorified FC rooms this would actually be a viable option.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Shenanigans

I appreciate the new housing plots, but they would not need to add them in the first place if they would re-enable housing demolition. That would solve their problems with housing. End the practice of disabling housing demolition.

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You're overestimating the number of plots that come up for auto-demolition. Complaints about housing availability occur just as much when demolition is enabled.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

Oh here is the Announcement. Demo timers came back on last april https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...115901bfe97a59

It may have not happened on Coeurl, but it did happen on Gilgamesh. It opened up a lot of plots immediately for us. I imagine the same thing will happen with this one. Point is the timers do more than you realize especially when they have been left of for long periods of time. You can look back in the housing thread for people looking for plots, complaining how unfair it is back from the end of april last year. People threatening to quit and such yet they are still here. So yea it did open up quite a bit and it took a couple of weeks. It was pretty chaotic.

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Oh look, here are the announcements about free world transfers beginning Apr. 23 for North American worlds.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d1ebf675536bb9

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d8670191a57ce0

It was not demolition resuming that opened most of that the housing. It was people leaving Gilgamesh to go to other worlds that did it. Players were more than happy to give up their housing to transfer when it means they got back 100% of their purchase price, something that normally does not happen.

I think this is a good thing, but I'd imagine that most plots on most servers will still be gone within minutes, leaving a large number of players without a house once more. All these new wards are is a bandaid fix. It is nice seeing more plots being added, but it is always too little too late. This will be no exception. It'd be one thing if they were adding them regularly, but they do not. The housing system needs a bit of an overhaul from the ground up, or they need to add instanced housing like a fair number of other MMOs have. If they were to do that and it would allow me to have a house in a desirable location I would abandon my plot in a heartbeat.

Exploiters: Allow us to introduce ourselves

More plots with zero understanding of how the old ones were taken advantage of solves nothing with auto demolish still halted after 2/3 of the year, the very same complaints will resurface in a matter of days telling them to "Add Moar"

I'd like to relocate my plot because it's surrounded by those horrendous lego houses from kugane- but the good news, If I'm able to relocate, that would leave an open plot for anyone who desired my house destination

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

Oh here is the Announcement. Demo timers came back on last april https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...115901bfe97a59

It may have not happened on Coeurl, but it did happen on Gilgamesh. It opened up a lot of plots immediately for us. I imagine the same thing will happen with this one. Point is the timers do more than you realize especially when they have been left of for long periods of time. You can look back in the housing thread for people looking for plots, complaining how unfair it is back from the end of april last year. People threatening to quit and such yet they are still here. So yea it did open up quite a bit and it took a couple of weeks. It was pretty chaotic.

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This only occurs because their system still registers 45 days have elapsed despite demolition timers being turned off. From a technical stand point, your house is in limbo. The moment they switch the timer back on, the system immediately demos any houses at the 45 day mark or beyond even if they were considered "safe" five minutes ago. This is why you'll see a handful of houses open up. After that brief window, demolition really doesn't open up that many houses. Put simply, it hasn't come anywhere near alleviating the housing shortage.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I have suggested indoor gardening myself, but it's not enough for some people. They would not accept tiny instanced houses just like they don't accept apartments as a viable option. See?

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Why should they? SE bills housing as a major feature of the game and yet can't offer different sized apartments when the whole thing is instanced? Literally all they have to do is take the basement of Mediums and Larges, call them "Condos" and "Penthouse" and they'll have fixed a huge complaint people have. When F2P MMOs have figured this out better than SE. There really isn't an excuse.

relocation is probably just a bad news for someone who don't have a house, because then timer will appear