Alliance Roulette desperately needs a split

I dont think much is needed to be said here. With the upcoming 5.3 and the fact that Crystal Tower raids are gonna become story mandatory those 3 should be merged and splited into a whole new alliance. The influx of new players, those who force ARR to pop and pure RNG itself is making the roulette become "ARR roulette over and over and over and over and again". HW's raids? Havent seen those in months. SB? Popped a couple times due to the Moogle Event, prior to that I spent almost a whole year without getting it. Isnt the purpose of the roulette to reward players for being able to set you possibly everywhere, not just in ARR raids? The same way Praetorium has its own roulette those three ARR raids should have its own separate one.

Make the roulette be something else than tedious, please, i've been avoiding it like hell cause every single god forsaken time I've gone there it's been LotA, Syrcus or the Wiping World of Darkness.

I'm having a little trouble following your suggestion.
Are you saying you'd like two roulettes then? 1 for crystal tower raids and 1 for everything else?
Or are you requesting they remove the now story mandatory raids from the roulette?

Either way, I agree. It's sad that the roulette is so completely dominated by just three raids.

I don't think we need ARR raids in their own roulette.

We just need the roulette's min iLv to be the iLv requirement of the highest raid you have available on your current job so that people can't force a CT raid every time they queue.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

I don't think we need ARR raids in their own roulette.

We just need the roulette's min iLv to be the iLv requirement of the highest raid you have available on your current job so that people can't force a CT raid every time they queue.

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THIS or each tier gets its own roulett. Im totally fine with random, im not fine with random being 99% lv 50 which locks me from more and more skills...

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Originally Posted by Rongway

I don't think we need ARR raids in their own roulette.

We just need the roulette's min iLv to be the iLv requirement of the highest raid you have available on your current job so that people can't force a CT raid every time they queue.

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That's an interesting idea... I'm liking it the more I think about it.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

THIS or each tier gets its own roulett. Im totally fine with random, im not fine with random being 99% lv 50 which locks me from more and more skills...

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I feel like each series of ARs getting a roulette to themselves might be a bit too much,and in fact might go against the grain with how the roulettes are designed and might compel the players to attempt to do them all,which is great for those queuing for the others, but not somuch for those that want time to do anything other than roulettes (which is likely why the 50-70 dungeons are consolidated into one, to prevent people spending their day on multiple roulettes).

With that said a separate roulette for those that are made mandatory for the MSQ does seem warranted, and would open up the doors for if more raid series like Shadow of Mhach or maybe Return to Ivalice are added to the MSQ (YoHRa is very unlikely)

Imo we lack an actual story roulett anyways that really includes ALL story dungeons, trials and raids. There should be smt else then Mentor to fill the ques...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Imo we lack an actual story roulett anyways that really includes ALL story dungeons, trials and raids. There should be smt else then Mentor to fill the ques...

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Unless the story suddenly needed EXs or Savage, a single roulette for story related instances is both redundant and arguably ridden with issues wereit be added. People already ditch half the MSQ roulette for not being the other, and Leveling dungeons still has three trap instances that waste the bonus by not giving as much xp as the average dungeon. And those were roulettes where the number of people required are consistent. Adding most the Leveling dungeons, about half of the capped dungeons, most of the trials that aren't WT, Auspices or Weyelt and CTwould just be asking for people to quit when it isn't what they wanted to do (like say Auamrot, Steps of Faith, CT, both MSQ dungeons), just like Lol!Mentor Roulette.

Put simply if the content is any way difficult and its on a roueltte with easier content, people WILL leave unless the rewards are worth the effort. Having a roulette with that broad a scope will only encourage this.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

We just need the roulette's min iLv to be the iLv requirement of the highest raid you have available on your current job so that people can't force a CT raid every time they queue.

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Yes. This has been suggested a few times, so it's clearly not that far-fetched.

I personally don't get why people want Crystal Tower raids so bad. Sure they're 'faster' for people who just want the rewards at the end, but it's so boring. They weren't boring when they were added because mechanics actually mattered. If they adjusted the ilevel scaling so you couldn't just brute force your way through it, it would be more fun and people would probably try to cheese to get it less, but people get mad and tell you to just make a min ilevel PF whenever that gets mentioned. So adjusting the required ilevel for the roulette itself would be easier.

Wouldn't mind them adding the CT raids into the MSQ Roulette to be honest. It'd be nice to mix that up although they'd probably need adjust the cut scenes to be non skip-able like they have for the current ones.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Imo we lack an actual story roulett anyways that really includes ALL story dungeons, trials and raids. There should be smt else then Mentor to fill the ques...

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It would be nice to have a roulette that includes all 'story required' duties, I would definitely do that.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Put simply if the content is any way difficult and its on a roueltte with easier content, people WILL leave unless the rewards are worth the effort. Having a roulette with that broad a scope will only encourage this.

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People leave queues already when they get something they don't want (I've seen Dun Scaith get this treatment a lot for reasons I don't understand), and those roulettes are still in the game. Mentor roulette is still there, and it encompasses more duties and people still leave it if they get an EX trial or something. So if that roulette remains in the game, why can't a story roulette one be added? I'd queue for it and wouldn't leave no matter what I got because I actually enjoy playing the game and don't just do it for rewards. And I think more people feel that way than the way you described, or there would be way more people leaving duties to a point that it would be a widespread problem.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I personally don't get why people want Crystal Tower raids so bad. Sure they're 'faster' for people who just want the rewards at the end, but

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There is the answer you're looking for. If people are doing a daily roulette then chances are they'd prefer to get it done with as quickly as possible so they can go on and do whatever else they had wanted to spend their time doing. So it makes perfect sense people would prefer getting CT over a raid that potentially takes longer.

Yeah that kinda sucks for people hoping to get something else in the roulette, but at the end of the day these roulettes are made to help fill parties for people trying to run specific instances. The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower. Anyone who wants to run a different set of alliance raids can just queue up for them specifically.

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Originally Posted by Machka

. The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower. Anyone who wants to run a different set of alliance raids can just queue up for them specifically.

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If only this happened I would have 0 complaints about this, but I've had friends at prime time wait more than five hours prior to the Mog Event and people then leave abruptly cause it wasn't ARR, so clearly that doesn't work as intended.

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Originally Posted by Machka

There is the answer you're looking for. If people are doing a daily roulette then chances are they'd prefer to get it done with as quickly as possible so they can go on and do whatever else they had wanted to spend their time doing. So it makes perfect sense people would prefer getting CT over a raid that potentially takes longer.

Yeah that kinda sucks for people hoping to get something else in the roulette, but at the end of the day these roulettes are made to help fill parties for people trying to run specific instances. The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower. Anyone who wants to run a different set of alliance raids can just queue up for them specifically.

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Originally Posted by GenBroadaxe

Wouldn't mind them adding the CT raids into the MSQ Roulette to be honest. It'd be nice to mix that up although they'd probably need adjust the cut scenes to be non skip-able like they have for the current ones.

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They can't anymore, because the CT raids only have one tank against the MSQ having two. Ironically, if CT hadn't been changed, this could have worked, but it was moved to 1/2/5 to match up with the rest of the 24-man better.

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Originally Posted by Machka

There is the answer you're looking for.

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I mean, you can cut off the last part of what I said to make it easier to have something to respond to, but the rest matters too:

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I personally don't get why people want Crystal Tower raids so bad. Sure they're 'faster' for people who just want the rewards at the end, but it's so boring.

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I don't understand how someone can do something that's incredibly boring just because it's faster. You get the same rewards no matter what you do, so why not do something enjoyable instead of something where you can barely do a single combo before the fight is over. I play certain parts of the game because I like playing them, not because they're fast. So that's why I don't get it. I know they do it because it's faster, I even said that in my post, I acknowledged that I know why they do it, but I don't know why they do it if it's so painfully boring.

I'd rather get Copied Factory for my roulette than Labyrinth of the Ancients because I actually get to play the game instead of just hit two buttons and have no risk of dying whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Machka

The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower.

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I guess that's why I get CT raids so much with no new player bonus and seeing people re-equip gear right as it starts, huh.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I don't understand how someone can do something that's incredibly boring just because it's faster. You get the same rewards no matter what you do, so why not do something enjoyable instead of something where you can barely do a single combo before the fight is over. I play certain parts of the game because I like playing them, not because they're fast. So that's why I don't get it. I know they do it because it's faster, I even said that in my post, I acknowledged that I know why they do it, but I don't know why they do it if it's so painfully boring.

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For one, not many people have that much time to begin with. Or they find the rest of the dungeons to be tedious, therefore fun isn't a concern there. And then there is the matter of people doing other rouelttes that they would also find tedious but cannot pass up the rewards (particularly in the case of MSQ roulette, and then there is the matter of doing 4 dungeon roulettes and Trials on top of those)

All of these things add up, and its one reason why I find 4 AR rouelttes and counting to be overkill as mentioned in my last post,and also why I think it would be best done if those were mutually exclusive if they were to be added. Like you can do the CT roulettes, but that would lock you out of the rewards for the SoM, N:A, and RTI roulette until the next day (and even THAT has its own issues particularly for queues for SoM,the rest at least have incentives being ease of difficulty and MSQ gating for CT, Relic-gating for Ivalice and just bettering endgame gear for N:A, and the latter two will lose those qualities by next xpac),lest people find themselves thinking that they have to spend half their day at least on rouelttes to get exp or tomes efficiently.

Which brings us to the root of the issues, CT is too efficient for the roulette. You don't have to learn mechanics, you don't risk wiping (unless Tanks pulled the Atomos too early and 2/3rdsof the raid on on the same platform) and you can get it down in 20 mins with minimal effort. And you don't even have to coordinate most of the time. All due to the iLevel gap (WoD doesn't have these issues to that extent AFAIK, but its still easier compared to fighting Ozma and TGC)

Introduce maximum item levels for each raid and that could fix the issue. I'm not saying the max ilvl should be absolute lowest that the duty requires, it can be 20-30 levels higher, but it should be low enough that mechanics matter to some extent and the duty can't just be face rolled. In theory LotA should be (or close to) as challenging as WoD and Void Ark as much as Dun Scaith, meaning there world be little reason to purposely manipulate ilvl before queuing if you know you have to actually make a decent effort for the rewards.

Other than that, I think someone said adding it to a special MSQ roulette might be the easiest way seeing as Crystal Tower will be a requirement to progress anyway. Not so sure about having forced cutscenes for those raids as well but if the time matches the rewards then I guess so.

I know it being called roulette defeats the purpose but, I want a duty blacklist so that we don't queue in to stuff we don't want.

edit: maybe have a limit to it so you can't blacklist more than 1 or 2 duties and so can't force it to only queue for 1 duty. Maybe also not allow it for MSQ roulette since there's only 2.

Main Scenario Raids Roulette or Expert Alliance Raids shouldnt be too hard to ask . i dont wanna que for something that is always the same. but also alot of p are doing ivalice for thier relics and junk and those may rival crystal tower

Would you then say that perhaps the solution lies in restricting ilevel syncing to a more engaging level?

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Originally Posted by Halobump

Would you then say that perhaps the solution lies in restricting ilevel syncing to a more engaging level?

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Likely, the issue is the iLevel gap and that even synched, the endgame gear is a mite too powerful for the instances.

The devs seemed to be aware of this as certain dungeosn's max ilevels are lower than that of the expansion, particularly in the case of dungeons like Aumarot, Ala Mhigo and ARF, applying a similar lower max iLevel tothe raids of changing the iLevel system to account for stat inflation would likely be good solution, not just for CT but also MSQ roulette