Extra questsssssssssss

Please SE, change something.

When I take them, I take the most I can at once.
When I do them, I smash "next" button without even reading.
When I do them, I sometimes have NO clue about where to continue and complete them. So I fail, do all others I have and start again. Because the one I failed is the only one left so I can see.

Why do I skip them? Why do I smash next button?
When I enter a NEW area, I'm following the MAIN STORY QUEST. And that is fine. But extra quests are SO numberous I just can't take them. I'm following the MAIN STORY QUEST and I ALREADY have a LOT to read, to hear, to play (that, don't change it. It's awesome).

But extra quests... I skip them because I follow MSQ (and blue quests). When I have completed that, I can travel and move around freely. And I go to the next area.

When I have completed MSQ, I read so much, I heard so much, I played so much that I want to play at my own pace. I don't want to spend dozens of HOURS completing extra quests just to remove their icons from the maps. Just to remove them from the maps. Because removing them from the map is finally the only goal about doing them, even if I am levelling up another class. Because if I am levelling up another class, I want to LEARN & PLAY it. Not 1) read some story, 2) go there, 3) read some story, 4) go there... and SOMETIMES try to play my class for 10 seconds just to rescue some random ambushed someone.

Extra quests are only about reading and moving. Even the answer choices we may have have NO influence. So I don't do them. But they're there. Always. And they promise huge exp. So I think: well, they'll help when I level up another class. I won't learn my class, I won't play my class, but eh, extra exp?
So I start them. I don't learn my class, I don't play my class and I just spam "next" and move. For hours. And I get my only reward: removing them from the map. Because, again, instead of that I could have learned and played a new class.

Then I quit the game. To have some fun doing something the little time I can, IRL, grant it. This is the reward for doing your extra quests. Needing to leave the game.

Please SE, change something.

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N.B.: French player, trying to reach english-speaking people.

Very interesting poem. I too don't do sidequests, leave them for leveling other class, to be or not to be, I don't

There are going to be limitations in any interface about how much it can hold and display at one time. I doubt it would ever be able to display everything for you.

If it's seeing the icons that's annoying you, maybe SE could create a toggle for show/hide side quest icons? That way you could hide them so they aren't cluttering up your UI when you'd focused on MSQ but when you want to do the side quests, you'd be able to see them again. Certainly that's something I would love for Triple Triad NPCs. I tried Triple Triad, didn't like it and stopped doing it but now I'm stuck seeing the icons cluttering up my map and hiding the icons of things I do want to be seeing, like quests and vendors.

I don't understand what you want them to do?

Not add any side quests? Hide the markers?

They add extra lore and character info. I rather like them, and don't want them to change them


You could just... Not do them...

For a completely different opinion: Please don't change them.

I love the extra information and Lore that is narrated via those quest text.

The issue here is not the amount of sidequests but your irrational mindset about sidequests. If you don't want to read them, feel free to do that. But don't complain about them being on your map because they're entirely optional, if you feel like you have to do them, then that is an issue for you to deal with, not the devs.

I'm in since 2013. Didn't play during Stormblood.
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Yesterday, I accidently found some Nier Automata quest. Because I focused on those yellow-iconed quests.
I also know something called Palace of the Dead is somewhere.

I'm of those players who like to access game, THEN discover something new and do it. Not because I read something IRL and specifically went for it.
For short-time events, I still check online. Because they're based on IRL time.

I don't want SE to stop working on extra quests. Please keep on adding lore to your GAME.
It is just that, knowing extra quests are ONLY about next-next-next-go there-next-next-next-go there-etc., I don't get ANY fun - worse, it' is painful - doing them. So I force myself to not see them, not do them, IGNORE them.

I shouldn't ignore them. I should be happy to do them. But FFXIV is not a read-read-read-move-read-read-move-etc. game. FFXIV is a battle game. With a great, huge story. FFXIV is a battle game where we can also craft and harvest. FFXIV is a game where we can DO so many things. And those quests are only about read-read-read-move-etc. for HOURS. Rare exceptions are those with ambush and battle. Those where we PLAY.
For all those quests, you can just ignore whatever is said, waste hours and get exp. Just not play. They're just side quests with no impact on the main story quest.

I am wishing SE would stop adding quests where we are to NOT play the game and instead keep on adding quests where we are to PLAY the game.

A quest tells me: blabla-move-"do this dongeon"? Ok, I will PLAY for it.
A craft quest tells me: blabla-move-"craft this"? Ok, I will PLAY for it.
A harvest quest tells me: blabla-move-"harvest this"? Ok, I will PLAY for it.

A quest tells me: "go there, read this, go there, etc."? I already have plenty of books I want to read. You want me to JUST read, and NOT play? Why do you want me to NOT play?

I still remember all the mog quests. I still remember how happy I was to finally have PASSED them. Why should I be happy to be past any long-hardworked content? I should have liked to PLAY it.

So, please SE, change something about your side quests. Let us play them.

You want more quests to have more than just talking.

There should definitely be way more combat for side quests imo. Too much talking and too little action. Maybe have fewer quests in total but with bigger objectives. Always long for more action when I get the generic "kill 2 of these" assignment. Let me kill 10.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

There should definitely be way more combat for side quests imo. Too much talking and too little action. Maybe have fewer quests in total but with bigger objectives. Always long for more action when I get the generic "kill 2 of these" assignment. Let me kill 10.

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No, I'd rather not have kill x quests, those are terrible.

Kill quests are fine if they have a reason.

We spend the entire game killing random monsters. I'd rather my sidequests be more talking and cutscenes and learning about the world we play in than "kill 8 of this enemy that happens to be 20 meters away from me". If you want to kill monsters for exp, then do a leve/fate/guildhest/dungeon/alliance raid. If you don't like all of the prompts for quests, refuse to do them because it's content you don't like, then go to the forums to complain that you're missing out on content that's hidden behind sidequests because you don't read the news, then that's your fault, not the developers. There's even a special icon for sidequests with a "+" on it that means that this quest leads to new stuff.

I guess you can lead a catgirl to content, but you can't make her do any of it.

If you're skipping through all of the dialogue and cutscenes of this game, then what are you playing for? You say that FFXIV is not a reading game but a battle game with a huge great story, but a lot of that story is in sidequests that you are complaining about. Not everything has to relate to the main story quest. Without everything else going on to fill out the world, the game just becomes boring and all that exists is the one thing happening and nothing else matters. It's one thing to say that you don't like it and you want to ignore it, it's another to ask for the devs to take it away from everyone else because you don't like it.

Then my suggestion is you may as well start reading books and stop playing games.

Text and reading are fine, but there is not enough involvement from the the player or your character. You are just standing there listening to a seminar most of the time. When there are times you should be jumping to someone's defense you do nothing, maybe draw your weapon. If anyone does it's !@#$'n Thancred. Can I just once shoot Gaius van Baelsar between the eyes while he's standing up on Ultima Weapon monologuing for the fifth time?

I think the writing is getting worse. Too verbose, repeating the same things just in different ways in the same conversation. I was doing a quest a while back when I realized they were trying to convey a joke that someone talked too much. It landed flat, because it's how everyone talks.

They waste words trying to convey character, weird accents, and speech patterns in text when it would be more effective and entertaining with recorded dialog. Yeah it's more expensive, but easy as !@#$ to do.

Can't get mad at Final Fantasy for Final Fantasy-ing, but I read through a lot of Square and Enix games and they were more engaging.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I guess you can lead a catgirl to content, but you can't make her do any of it.

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Just... perfection.

Side quests are entirely optional. Some are very stupid fetch quests, others are lots of talk and lore, some are just...not engaging to me personally.

I have done every single quest in the game with exception of savage/ultimate content. I did not feel any of it was horrible. Could they be better in some areas? Of course. But with the amount of actual roulette etc to get my jobs to 80, I rather like slow paced quests with a lot of talking and little to do.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

We spend the entire game killing random monsters. I'd rather my sidequests be more talking and cutscenes and learning about the world we play in than "kill 8 of this enemy that happens to be 20 meters away from me". If you want to kill monsters for exp, then do a leve/fate/guildhest/dungeon/alliance raid. If you don't like all of the prompts for quests, refuse to do them because it's content you don't like, then go to the forums to complain that you're missing out on content that's hidden behind sidequests because you don't read the news, then that's your fault, not the developers. There's even a special icon for sidequests with a "+" on it that means that this quest leads to new stuff.

I guess you can lead a catgirl to content, but you can't make her do any of it.

If you're skipping through all of the dialogue and cutscenes of this game, then what are you playing for? You say that FFXIV is not a reading game but a battle game with a huge great story, but a lot of that story is in sidequests that you are complaining about. Not everything has to relate to the main story quest. Without everything else going on to fill out the world, the game just becomes boring and all that exists is the one thing happening and nothing else matters. It's one thing to say that you don't like it and you want to ignore it, it's another to ask for the devs to take it away from everyone else because you don't like it.

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You know that you can tell the story without just bunch of dialogue? There's a lot of MMORPG that do it without any problems these days, just look at ESO.
It's supposed to be an MMO, not a visual novel, you suppose to play the game, not read it. Again, it can be anything besides just killing few mobs or collecting 5 whatever, it's 2020 and most games already do that better, than XIV do.
Also, if I wanted to read visual novel, I would better do so, than read this boredom that you call side quests lore.
And yeah, for someone who's trying to sell - gO rEaD a bOoK, if player base actually read some, they would never rate XIV anime as story 10/10, especially if you comparing it to books or visual novels.
Game needs more side quests with actual interaction and action storytelling, more quests in general as well, because clearing them takes almost no time, so I've already finished all of them in each expansion. (No achievement of course, because why bother)

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

When I take them, I take the most I can at once.
When I do them, I smash "next" button without even reading.
When I do them, I sometimes have NO clue about where to continue and complete them. So I fail, do all others I have and start again. Because the one I failed is the only one left so I can see.

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Well, that sounds like completely the wrong way to do things.

When I reach a new area I pick up all the quests I can and start working on them. Only when I have finished all the nearby quests do I move on to where the MSQ or vector quests points me next. This way my quest log never overflows, and the quests I do all are connected with each other in some way.
After several years of playing various MMOs, I have found this to be the best approach - to systematically finish as many quests as possible in one area before moving on. It makes most sense story-wise and does not leave me with a ton of unfinished quests in my questlog.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

It's supposed to be an MMO, not a visual novel, you suppose to play the game, not read it. Again, it can be anything besides just killing few mobs or collecting 5 whatever, it's 2020 and most games already do that better, than XIV do.

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It's supposed to be a single unique game that falls in the genre MMO. It doesn't have to follow what other games do exactly. It's already known for being more story-based and talky than other MMOs, so why shouldn't sidequests be the same?

Arbitrary "kill five monsters" requirements don't add anything better to a quest than other kinds of objectives - we have plenty of them already anyway, but there's no need to wedge it in where they don't make sense.

If the OP is going to just mash Next on all dialogue then yeah, they're not going to get anything out of quests that are "talky" and intended to deliver bits of lore but not much else.

They're not my favourite thing either - particularly the longer ones that try to be emotional but the characters are a bit flat. (Seasonal events have this issue as well - trying too hard on emotion when something light-hearted would be fine.) But more arbitrary tasks won't make them more enjoyable for me.

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While you are not wrong, this is a game built to Japanese tastes/thinking. Japanese very much prefer manga/light novel feel to the game as opposed to the button mashing.

I agree in some aspects that as a game FFXIV is astoundingly badly done like UI, but the plodding nature of the game is actually a reason is might remain so popular in Japan. (Most Japanese households have consoles, not PCs, so the game competes with stuff like Mario). It’s a bit behind the reason YoshiP encourages people to take a break, play other stuff and come back when they want something different and not more of the same.



Allllll that said, I do wish they’d tighten up the quests in regions to have a single overall story with a few minor threads.

Kinda like Raktika has the crazy skreee quest line and the bunnies have their own ruin delving line, but in the end it comes together.

Spot on OP I completely agree with you.
I so far from all these side quest have been just read some text go over there, search the shinny orb and return to read some more text. Then there’s read some text, go over there and read more text and return to select an answer that doesn’t matter. Of course let’s not forget read some text, fight some thing and return to read more text.

One that always made me laugh was read some text, go touch shinny orb, monster spawn, ignore monster and run back to read more text. What was the point of the monster spawning if I can ignore it and leave.

Whats with the shinny orb thing where the player character stands and searches for a long time? Is it loading a cutscene or something? Usually a monster spawns after a long time searching. So why make it so long? Why can’t the Devs be bothered to create a scenario out in the wild when you select a quest? Why can’t they add the props to the location? Why can’t they add a suspicious looking bush where the monster pops out from instead of a glowing orb. Another thing I don’t like is when the NPC takes awhile to complete their body movements before continuing the conversation. I can’t even see them as I smash the next button wonder why the text isn’t moving.

the devs need to cut some of these useless quest out. Give the lore to the surrounding NPCs or books scattered in the homes of the NPCs. Honestly they should follow Guild Wars 2 side quest formula. Where the lore is told through the map. Having to complete tasks around the map made it more fun. Maybe completing tasks around the map can have a visual change for players. Helping the villagers building and hunting changes the look of their town. Maybe life arrives to the location as we fulfill certain requirements. Maybe more shops open up or new areas.

These side quest might as well not exist since they can be ignored. There’s no life in these quests or NPCs.
I tried to read several of these side quest to see if I would enjoy them. They’re forgetful and not worth it. Not a single one I remember. The main scenario quest also has a problem of filler in between. Go talk to 5 people and come back. Go collect 3 shinny orbs. Go stand over there and search then come back. Select an answer that doesn’t matter.

Can we get a light or dark meter based on these answers that we select? Maybe based on the answers we choose or how we decide to complete the quest it turns out character goo or evil? Maybe unlocks certain types of unique gear that can only be worn if you’re light or dark. Maybe what we do in these quest or who we decide to help changes the look of the surrounding area. Perhaps if we go an evil route monsters take over the area and become the local NOC that we accept quest from. That would be more interesting.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Can we get a light or dark meter based on these answers that we select? Maybe based on the answers we choose or how we decide to complete the quest it turns out character goo or evil? Maybe unlocks certain types of unique gear that can only be worn if you’re light or dark. Maybe what we do in these quest or who we decide to help changes the look of the surrounding area. Perhaps if we go an evil route monsters take over the area and become the local NOC that we accept quest from. That would be more interesting.

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I think you've brought this up elsewhere. It's not really going to work within the format of this game. It could be (and has been) implemented in other games, but you need a different narrative structure to pull it off.

Personally I don't like it - generally speaking, not just the hypothetical implementation here - because it comes with a requirement that you have to do the "evil side" at some point to see all the content in the game. I don't want to do that.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Can we get a light or dark meter based on these answers that we select? Maybe based on the answers we choose or how we decide to complete the quest it turns out character goo or evil? Maybe unlocks certain types of unique gear that can only be worn if you’re light or dark. Maybe what we do in these quest or who we decide to help changes the look of the surrounding area. Perhaps if we go an evil route monsters take over the area and become the local NOC that we accept quest from. That would be more interesting.

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Missing SWTOR? :eek:

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I think you've brought this up elsewhere. It's not really going to work within the format of this game. It could be (and has been) implemented in other games, but you need a different narrative structure to pull it off.

Personally I don't like it - generally speaking, not just the hypothetical implementation here - because it comes with a requirement that you have to do the "evil side" at some point to see all the content in the game. I don't want to do that.

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Doesn't have to be exactly light or dark. Perhaps as we progress through the map side quests we see change happening like in that Doman Enclave.

Good or evil could be light or dark. Since we're now Warriors of Darkness we still do good. Maybe using light or dark brings a cretin change to us visually only or the unique items we can get. Perhaps it influences the villagers to embrace the light or dark to make us light or dark things? Maybe light or dark has an effect on good and evil villagers. Going dark could bring out a couple a intresting dark quests that have no effect on the story like the current side quest.

The Devs could add a parallel side story where we join the dark side, just for fun. I'd rather have one of those than 100 pointless fetch quests

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Missing SWTOR? :eek:

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Not really into Star Wars games or story. Personally think the good and evil or light/dark force in Star Wars is kinda dumb. Would be nice to have quality progress changing quest. Something more than text, a few coin and some EXP.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Not really into Star Wars games or story. Personally think the good and evil or light/dark force in Star Wars is kinda dumb. Would be nice to have quality progress changing quest. Something more than text, a few coin and some EXP.

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I don’t really care so much for branching choices as this game basically has none, but I would LOVE that quests actually had impact. Like, Mor Dhona’s and the Dravanian Hinterlands main quest lines should revolve around building their respective towns. The game originally felt a lot more dynamic with Mor Dhona being a lot of nothing, with gradual improvements in patches. New players can’t experience this. Rather, when you first enter these towns they should be fairly ruined with improvements as you get to certain points in the MSQ and/or complete quests in the region related to their respective towns.

I guess I just want mini-plots that are fairly bite sized but with meaningful impact/changes to the world. So far the only one that comes to mind is the graffiti in Idylshire from Hildy...

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Doesn't have to be exactly light or dark. Perhaps as we progress through the map side quests we see change happening like in that Doman Enclave.

Good or evil could be light or dark. Since we're now Warriors of Darkness we still do good. Maybe using light or dark brings a cretin change to us visually only or the unique items we can get. Perhaps it influences the villagers to embrace the light or dark to make us light or dark things? Maybe light or dark has an effect on good and evil villagers. Going dark could bring out a couple a intresting dark quests that have no effect on the story like the current side quest.

The Devs could add a parallel side story where we join the dark side, just for fun. I'd rather have one of those than 100 pointless fetch quests

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The devs are not magic gods. They have limitations, and this is not something that can be done in a day much less several years. Because it takes them, I believe it was said 3 months? 6?? To make 1 boss. Now they need to make one for both sides. And the bosses name plus all dialog will have to be translated in several languages. And not just that, flip flop localized to make sense and get the point across for multiple cultures. Voice acting? Golly gosh gotta throw that in too. And you are taxing the writers themselves. If you have not seen it, watch all the making of Shadowbringers videos. The game has enough limitations what you're asking for just will not work.

Maybe try single player games that do this. You'll guaranteed get what you want because it was built up to support it. XIV was not.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

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I guess you can lead a catgirl to content, but you can't make her do any of it.
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I didn't get this. Lost in translation?

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Well, that sounds like completely the wrong way to do things.

When I reach a new area I pick up all the quests I can and start working on them. Only when I have finished all the nearby quests do I move on to where the MSQ or vector quests points me next. (...)

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I used to do it this way for a long time. Then I started to feel that I was doing nothing, repeatedly, and for no reason. And boredom became frustrating.



By following the main story quests, the world changes. And you play. And you care.
By following the tribal quests, the world changes. And you play. And you care.
By following the class/job quests, the world changes. And you play. And you care.
By following the "+" quests, the world changes. And you play. And you care.
But the yellow missions ...

You enter a new place. Everyone seems to have a problem and is just waiting for you to fix it. So you put the so urging main story quest on hold and help all of these people. Without even playing.
Then, no one ever has a problem again. You arrive and leave leaving a world in peace. Without even playing.

The way they are set up makes them uninteresting and non-immersive. It's just a finished and known list of meetings to do.
They could appear randomly, and if we approach them. Their unexpected appearance would then make them interesting; like points of interest.
You don't know if you will find any. You don't know where and when. You only know that if you travel, you might find some.
So doing them would be the reward.
Not a step in a long, uninteresting, non-immersive, checklist.

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The devs are not magic gods. They have limitations, and this is not something that can be done in a day much less several years. Because it takes them, I believe it was said 3 months? 6?? To make 1 boss. Now they need to make one for both sides. And the bosses name plus all dialog will have to be translated in several languages. And not just that, flip flop localized to make sense and get the point across for multiple cultures. Voice acting? Golly gosh gotta throw that in too. And you are taxing the writers themselves. If you have not seen it, watch all the making of Shadowbringers videos. The game has enough limitations what you're asking for just will not work.

Maybe try single player games that do this. You'll guaranteed get what you want because it was built up to support it. XIV was not.

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I don’t understand why people keep mentioning the production cost/time/employees needed to add or work on such content. If you manage their finances or are in charge of such things that’s measured these thing then state it so.

You have people wanting to add bunny bois and hats, but I can’t suggest a change to gameplay, request a better quest system or quality of work?

You don’t need to tell me what something costs. This is what people do they state the problem, provide possible solutions and the devs take the info to their meetings

What’s your possible solution to OPs concern besides deal with it or it cost too much?

I think the 'problem' is that different players prefer different styles of sidequests - this thread shows it nicely already.

While everyone is suggesting different things, I think the underlying fear might be that 'too many' quests are changed in the way someone else doesn't like. What if they make too many kill monsters quests? What if they keep too many text only quests?

All suggestions are good, but you can hardly keep a balance that makes everyone happy.

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I don’t understand why people keep mentioning the production cost/time/employees needed to add or work on such content. If you manage their finances or are in charge of such things that’s measured these thing then state it so.

You have people wanting to add bunny bois and hats, but I can’t suggest a change to gameplay, request a better quest system or quality of work?

You don’t need to tell me what something costs. This is what people do they state the problem, provide possible solutions and the devs take the info to their meetings

What’s your possible solution to OPs concern besides deal with it or it cost too much?

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It's almost like they don't work on this game for free and have a company to manage! Do you know literally anything about game development on any scale that isn't Minecraft? Try to educate yourself before asking for impossible things. And FYI, time is money.

I have enough tightly-focused and interesting things to do in this game to need more busywork wedged into my lore quest time. You almost certainly do too. Go do those things instead of trying to port busywork into lore quests.

Sad thing is that the most liked replies, ie. the ones representing the most what readers think, actually don't reply to my post.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I don't understand what you want them to do?

Not add any side quests? Hide the markers?

They add extra lore and character info. I rather like them, and don't want them to change them


You could just... Not do them...

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= "I like what is said. Change NOTHING."
I didn't write about what is said.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

For a completely different opinion: Please don't change them.

I love the extra information and Lore that is narrated via those quest text.

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= "I like what is said. Change NOTHING."
I didn't write about what is said.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

The issue here is not the amount of sidequests but your irrational mindset about sidequests. If you don't want to read them, feel free to do that. But don't complain about them being on your map because they're entirely optional, if you feel like you have to do them, then that is an issue for you to deal with, not the devs.

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= "You have a problem with thoses quests? That's ONLY because you are the problem."

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

We spend the entire game killing random monsters. I'd rather my sidequests be more talking and cutscenes and learning about the world we play in than "kill 8 of this enemy that happens to be 20 meters away from me". If you want to kill monsters for exp, then do a leve/fate/guildhest/dungeon/alliance raid. If you don't like all of the prompts for quests, refuse to do them because it's content you don't like, then go to the forums to complain that you're missing out on content that's hidden behind sidequests because you don't read the news, then that's your fault, not the developers. There's even a special icon for sidequests with a "+" on it that means that this quest leads to new stuff.

I guess you can lead a catgirl to content, but you can't make her do any of it.

If you're skipping through all of the dialogue and cutscenes of this game, then what are you playing for? You say that FFXIV is not a reading game but a battle game with a huge great story, but a lot of that story is in sidequests that you are complaining about. Not everything has to relate to the main story quest. Without everything else going on to fill out the world, the game just becomes boring and all that exists is the one thing happening and nothing else matters. It's one thing to say that you don't like it and you want to ignore it, it's another to ask for the devs to take it away from everyone else because you don't like it.

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You want sidequests to be even more about storytelling. You wish so and I won't argue it. But why do you reinvent my post?
I stated I missed content because I gotten used to not look at yellow marks.
[A phrase I don't get]
You state I skip every storytelling content. I wrote the opposite.
You state I wish for pure and simple deletion. I wrote nothing like that.


On the other hand, MsQi perfectly summarized my post:

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Originally Posted by MsQi

You want more quests to have more than just talking.

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The point is that what you want is most likely impractical and speaks to a lack of knowledge of development. Most of these quests are solely the work of writers - and while I don't mean this to diminish their work at all, writing is by far the cheapest and simplest form of asset development. Art assets tend to require significantly more overhead and art pipelines are usually slammed all through primary development. Things that seem simple but require new programming have a nasty habit of incurring heavy and unpredictable overhead once they hit debug - I'm sure there are some fun stories we'll never get to hear about the buggy chaos wrought with things like the seemingly very basic point and click "sniping" scenes. A simple quest script and a couple recycled monster assets? Easy to write, easy to prep, easy to test, easy to polish, easy bitesize content to bulk up the game, flesh out the lore, and keep those writers busy doing productive work when other things are jamming up the pipeline. There's really not much more you could get out of them without making it a burden on other development time.

They are right that we should be able to hide them for OCD purposes, which you can.... by accepting them and crossing them out in your journal.

What I don't get is why you're consistently mentioning that you don't want to read, what? You don't want to be literate? Don't read them if you don't want to. Most players don't stare at their map..

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Originally Posted by Sindele

The point is that what you want is most likely impractical and speaks to a lack of knowledge of development. Most of these quests are solely the work of writers - and while I don't mean this to diminish their work at all, writing is by far the cheapest and simplest form of asset development. Art assets tend to require significantly more overhead and art pipelines are usually slammed all through primary development. Things that seem simple but require new programming have a nasty habit of incurring heavy and unpredictable overhead once they hit debug - I'm sure there are some fun stories we'll never get to hear about the buggy chaos wrought with things like the seemingly very basic point and click "sniping" scenes. A simple quest script and a couple recycled monster assets? Easy to write, easy to prep, easy to test, easy to polish, easy bitesize content to bulk up the game, flesh out the lore, and keep those writers busy doing productive work when other things are jamming up the pipeline. There's really not much more you could get out of them without making it a burden on other development time.

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The devs are making us pay more while giving us less. I mean certain jobs got dismembered and never got anything back to replace what was lost (war, monk, bard, etc). I find it practical to complain. They put more resources into 2B butt more than the content.

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Originally Posted by millktea

The devs are making us pay more while giving us less. I mean certain jobs got dismembered and never got anything back to replace what was lost (war, monk, bard, etc). I find it practical to complain. They put more resources into 2B butt more than the content.

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1) No.

2) This was to free up design space so they can continue expanding the jobs into the next expansion and beyond.

3) That's not how any of this works.

I skip them, and have no issues skipping them. There's no completionist's OCD for me in FFXIV - I find most of what happens even in the MSQ incredibly boring, so I don't exactly delight in the extra story content offered.

I'll tell you what's dumb, though: wasting hours unlocking flying in zones you have already finished. That, right there, is just needless busywork.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

When I do them, I smash "next" button without even reading...
...Why do I skip them? Why do I smash next button?
...if I am levelling up another class, I want to LEARN & PLAY it. Not 1) read some story, 2) go there, 3) read some story, 4) go there... and SOMETIMES try to play my class for 10 seconds just to rescue some random ambushed someone....

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@OP Looking at this extract from your post, I can see why people thought you wanted side-quests to all be reduced to kill quests with less reading and therefore less lore.

Now I'm not quite sure what the problem is.
If you are complaining that some side-quests are not very exciting, I'd have to concur. Though how would you know they are unexciting if you skip over all the text? Anyway, the XP from them is pitiful in the earlier expansions, so it's not like you have to do them or you're missing out.

If you want to learn a class through combat, Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High are both good ways to see and use all the abilities you'll have at end-game.

If you'd like more meaningful side-quests with better lore, then I agree that would be nice, but since they are so numerous I can't see how that could be done. Plus people enjoy different things, so if every side quest was lore heavy, I'm sure there would be complaints.

There are some great side-quests to be found with really engaging stories (from Stormblood onwards the quality really increased imo), but again, if you skip all the text, you won't know they are there.

If you are looking for more variety, then Sindele summed it up; that takes a lot of development time and would cost too much. Also, novel things like using a blowgun to put enemies to sleep would soon get stale if over-used.
I remember in WoW where the devs would come up with something novel that seemed really fun, until you had to do it over and over.
I have to say I think FF gets it right, there is a nice mix of quest types and nothing is overused.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

When I do them, I smash "next" button without even reading...
...Why do I skip them? Why do I smash next button?
...if I am levelling up another class, I want to LEARN & PLAY it. Not 1) read some story, 2) go there, 3) read some story, 4) go there... and SOMETIMES try to play my class for 10 seconds just to rescue some random ambushed someone....

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@OP Looking at this extract from your post, I can see why people thought you wanted side-quests to all be reduced to kill quests with less reading and therefore less lore.

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This is sad, because it would mean that those who state they like all the reading those quests offer just didn't read me.

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Now I'm not quite sure what the problem is.
If you are complaining that some side-quests are not very exciting, I'd have to concur. Though how would you know they are unexciting if you skip over all the text? Anyway, the XP from them is pitiful in the earlier expansions, so it's not like you have to do them or you're missing out.

If you want to learn a class through combat, Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High are both good ways to see and use all the abilities you'll have at end-game.

If you'd like more meaningful side-quests with better lore, then I agree that would be nice, but since they are so numerous I can't see how that could be done. Plus people enjoy different things, so if every side quest was lore heavy, I'm sure there would be complaints.

There are some great side-quests to be found with really engaging stories (from Stormblood onwards the quality really increased imo), but again, if you skip all the text, you won't know they are there.

If you are looking for more variety, then Sindele summed it up; that takes a lot of development time and would cost too much. Also, novel things like using a blowgun to put enemies to sleep would soon get stale if over-used.
I remember in WoW where the devs would come up with something novel that seemed really fun, until you had to do it over and over.
I have to say I think FF gets it right, there is a nice mix of quest types and nothing is overused.

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On the other hand, MsQi perfectly summarized my post:

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Originally Posted by MsQi

You want more quests to have more than just talking.

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I'm not wishing for more text.
I'm not wishing for less text.