Glamour Log please. Just want to play the game...

Without having to throw away something that took time to collect every single time i log on and every single time i want to play another job.

The Dresser did nothing, it's just a glorified bank.

The Additional retainers costs money and is just messy to find out where you put what.

The Additional inventory slots we got also did nothing but to delay the inevitable.

There are so many logs in this game except for the one thing that matters the most for everyone. Fashion is the endgame in mmos many of which have added various of glamour logs. Yet here we are still using a system that makes you feel punished for having a wide collection of outfits.

A properly made glamour log should also not be any more taxing on the servers than the logs we already have.

I dont see what the problem is with the current system? What do you mean throwing something away each time you log on? Something tells me you're not using the glam dresser properly...

A glamour log would be amazing. With the various storage options, it can definitely feel like they are continually just slapping on bandaids vs. trying to make a single system that will work.

GW2 utilizes a glamour log, and it's great. You can also apply glamours anywhere out in the world. Add in a feature that also lets you save styles (like XI and XIV), and I think that would be fantastic.

XIV feels like a lot of patch-work in how it's been implemented and upgraded over the years. I could be very, very wrong, but I feel like people who enjoy (not just tolerate, but really enjoy) XIV's current glamour systems just haven't experienced games that actually do it well. Hard to know what you're missing out on if you haven't seen it, etc.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

I dont see what the problem is with the current system? What do you mean throwing something away each time you log on? Something tells me you're not using the glam dresser properly...

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The problem with the current system is that you constantly have to think about what you have to throw away because your inventory and dresser and retainers are filled. Something that gets more and more annoying the more you play, and significantly worse for ever additional job you decide to level.

It's not a satisfying feeling having to throw away gear that takes a unknown amount of time to reacquire since it was a random drop from a dungeon.

The glam dresser and inventory expansion is nothing but a band aid fix on this continuous problem. A problem FFXIV's competitors have solved years ago without much hassle. WoW, GW2, ESO in neither of these games to i have to think about having to clean the inventory for outfits every time i log on. In those games i log on, do what i want to do and log off. In FFXIV i log on, try to do something with another job and gets met with "Insufficent armory space", sort the armory, sort the inventory, move things from the inventory back to the armory, get met with "Insufficent armory space" again... and again... and again.

It's a convoluted mess because i can't do something as simple as in GW2, WoW or ESO which is just unlock and discard.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

I dont see what the problem is with the current system? What do you mean throwing something away each time you log on? Something tells me you're not using the glam dresser properly...

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*sweats in full glamour dresser*

Absolutely agree, current glam system is entirely inadequate. Especially so when practically every job is max level. It has wrecked my inventories--my glam dresser is full, both my retainers are 3/4ths full of glam gear, I hold additional glammable gear in my armory chest, and I have a good amount of other gear in the first tab of my regular inventory. And this in nearly JUST difficult to obtain dungeon/raid gear and relics. Craftable or tome gear? I can't afford the space, so I have to buy it when needed, and discard it first when out of space. Just recently I've had to sacrifice some Bonewicca and Warg gear, since I was struggling with space, and I had to decide which items least fit the aesthetic of the class.

One of my favorite things of this game is playing with the fashion, but each styling session is utterly tedious. You find an awesome hat or chest piece? Now you gotta spend hours in the preview window trying on set pieces first through all items on the MB, then what pieces you have in the dresser and armoire, then what pieces you have tucked away with retainers and armory chest, THEN porting all around the blasted map comparing with tome/raid/class gear. Utter nonsense.

And this is with me ignoring all the lovely gear that crafters and gatherers have, since I've neither the space or the glam plates available for them.

I'll admit that I'm vain, and it pains me to play a class without its proper glam I have set. I love dolling up my character, but holy moly is it a pain to do most times...

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

The Dresser did nothing, it's just a glorified bank.

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Glamour plates are fantastic and save so much time.

Yes, there aren't enough and the system is awkward overall, but that doesn't make the dresser useless. It's a huge improvement on the prism system.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

XIV feels like a lot of patch-work in how it's been implemented and upgraded over the years. I could be very, very wrong, but I feel like people who enjoy (not just tolerate, but really enjoy) XIV's current glamour systems just haven't experienced games that actually do it well. Hard to know what you're missing out on if you haven't seen it, etc.

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You can enjoy something without it being the best or most streamlined function it could be. There's middle ground between "perfect" and "not good enough".

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You can enjoy something without it being the best or most streamlined function it could be. There's middle ground between "perfect" and "not good enough".

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Of course you can, but that doesn't mean that the system couldn't be greatly improved.

They need to just make it so when you loot something that the appearance is saved to your character so you can sell/desynth/destroy the item. SE keeps insisting on going with these bandaid fixes which only delays the inevitable of eventually running out of space in both your dresser and inventory. Also tired of hearing about how they can't due to "limitations". Just give us a system that isn't terrible.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

I dont see what the problem is with the current system? What do you mean throwing something away each time you log on? Something tells me you're not using the glam dresser properly...

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The problem is there's not enough space in it. My glam dresser is full and I have two retainers almost entirely full of glamour. My armory chest is almost entirely full in every slot but belt. I have the same problem as OP - I regularly have to go through and get rid of things I maybe don't use as often or like as much as something new that I just got. I'm almost constantly shuffling what I'm storing, where I'm storing it, and what I'm getting rid of because there just isn't enough space.

I'm pretty disillusioned with Blizzard at this point, but transmog in WoW is something they, for the most part, got right. A glamour log would solve almost all of my inventory management problems.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

I dont see what the problem is with the current system? What do you mean throwing something away each time you log on? Something tells me you're not using the glam dresser properly...

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Last I checked the Glam Dresser maxes out at 200 items, unless they increased that lately?

Even a very casual person like me who doesn't glam much, I already have 20-30 used up.

Also, only having like 15-20 plates when you're forced to use a whole plate for something like JUST a weapon is lul. Like I want to have a biker outfit for multiple jobs, but maybe I don't like (insert job here)'s weapon, so I gotta make a whole nuther plate just for that instead of clicking my weapon, clicking the thing in the dresser and saying "Glamour just that item" without using a plate (If there's a way to do this I haven't figured it out).

Also, having to run back to an Inn room, or an FC house, or what-not to find a glamour dresser to do this stuff is kinda meh.

WoW gave you a semi-expensive mount that has a transmog NPC right on the mount and once you have this mount, all characters on your account can transmog anytime, anywhere you can summon mounts once you are high enough level to do so (Lv20 IIRC). And your character can transmog anything that you've ever found that your character can equip at the time it dropped. Found a nice looking plate armor a few years ago with your paladin, and now you are leveling a warrior 3 years later and that plate armor is nice for the rest of the outfit? No problem! As long as you had it in your inventory at least once and it was bound to you (meaning, untradeable), you're good to go anytime.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Last I checked the Glam Dresser maxes out at 200 items, unless they increased that lately?

Even a very casual person like me who doesn't glam much, I already have 20-30 used up.

Also, only having like 15-20 plates when you're forced to use a whole plate for something like JUST a weapon is lul. Like I want to have a biker outfit for multiple jobs, but maybe I don't like (insert job here)'s weapon, so I gotta make a whole nuther plate just for that instead of clicking my weapon, clicking the thing in the dresser and saying "Glamour just that item" without using a plate (If there's a way to do this I haven't figured it out).

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Its 400. They doubled it almost a year ago lol...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its 400. They doubled it almost a year ago lol...

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*shrug* I said I was a casual glam person, sue me.

Even at 400, I could see a serious glam person filling that up easy. I have almost 10% of it and I haven't even been trying to collect much in the way of glams, just a few outfits because I got tired of mish-mash levelling outfits and/or had the occasional idea.

Just to give you an idea.... let's say you really like the wolf sets and want them for all of your jobs, just as a quick example, and let's say you only do the Helm/Body/Gloves/Legs/Boots. That's 5 per set and there's Tank, Healer, Caster, Ranged, DRG, NIN, SAM/MNK.

That's 35 glam slots for just 1 set of armor for all the jobs.

That ain't gonna last long if they keep releasing nice sets of armor.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Just to give you an idea.... let's say you really like the wolf sets and want them for all of your jobs, just as a quick example, and let's say you only do the Helm/Body/Gloves/Legs/Boots. That's 5 per set and there's Tank, Healer, Caster, Ranged, DRG, NIN, SAM/MNK.

That's 35 glam slots for just 1 set of armor for all the jobs.

That ain't gonna last long if they keep releasing nice sets of armor.

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I got every piece of armor from The Copied Factory. I was wearing that on all jobs until they added Neo-Ishgardian gear and I crafted several of those sets to wear. But I'm never going to throw that Nier gear away.

Currently praying the next Nier raid has some boxy machine lifeform gear instead just so I don't feel compelled to collect every set.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

*shrug* I said I was a casual glam person, sue me.

Even at 400, I could see a serious glam person filling that up easy. I have almost 10% of it and I haven't even been trying to collect much in the way of glams, just a few outfits because I got tired of mish-mash levelling outfits and/or had the occasional idea.

Just to give you an idea.... let's say you really like the wolf sets and want them for all of your jobs, just as a quick example, and let's say you only do the Helm/Body/Gloves/Legs/Boots. That's 5 per set and there's Tank, Healer, Caster, Ranged, DRG, NIN, SAM/MNK.

That's 35 glam slots for just 1 set of armor for all the jobs.

That ain't gonna last long if they keep releasing nice sets of armor.

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I took up those extra slots the day they doubled it. As did many others. When the glamour dresser was implemented nearly four years ago, they said it would get updates in the future. Other than placing the dresser in additional locations, the slot and plate increase has only received one upgrade. They know this is an issue. They just don't want to do anything about it. It's too bad. I'm willing to bet that modernizing the glamour system would easily extend the life of FFXIV by an additional expansion at the very least. They seriously underestimate just how much importance players put on glamour.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

They just don't want to do anything about it.

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I wouldn't go so far as to say they don't want to. Maybe are hesitant to?

They've given many plausible reasons as to why there are problems with just cranking the inventory dial to 10.

Yeah the whole system could use a rework from the ground up.. but are we as a playerbase willing to deal with what doing that entails?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I took up those extra slots the day they doubled it. As did many others. When the glamour dresser was implemented nearly four years ago, they said it would get updates in the future. Other than placing the dresser in additional locations, the slot and plate increase has only received one upgrade. They know this is an issue. They just don't want to do anything about it. It's too bad.

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No. They do care and are constantly trying to find ways of adding more ways to store things, but being able to make room is not an easy thing to do when when you have hundreds of millions of characters you need to give storage enhancements to.

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I'm willing to bet that modernizing the glamour system would easily extend the life of FFXIV by an additional expansion at the very least. They seriously underestimate just how much importance players put on glamour.

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They do not underestimate how much importance some players put into glamour. Most players seriously underestimate how resource intensive their "simple" ideas are. Even a simple boolean Glamour Log would end up increasing total character data by Terabytes and they would need to be constaintly increasing that amount of data whenever they add new gear.

"Modernization" by creation of a Glamour Log is untenable for FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I wouldn't go so far as to say they don't want to. Maybe are hesitant to?

They've given many plausible reasons as to why there are problems with just cranking the inventory dial to 10.

Yeah the whole system could use a rework from the ground up.. but are we as a playerbase willing to deal with what doing that entails?

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Their plausible reasons have so far been excuses. First it was an issue with how much storage space that is needed on the servers. Then it's an issue with how much more taxing it would be on the servers reading/writing to the log.

Both issues would easily be solved by simply requiring us to collect the entire armor set before it's unlocked, then just for armors it wouldn't need more than 2-3x the storage space as they use for just the fishing log.

Want to crunch it even more? Make us require the entire tier of sets for all roles and jobs before it's unlocked. And now it's reduced to a total of 5*7 times less storage needed than it would need for every individual item.

Both the inventory expansion and glamour dresser is putting a significantly more strain on the servers than if they had just implemented a proper system from the go.

I'm not sure why everyone has a fear of throwing out things they can re-retrieve.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm not sure why everyone has a fear of throwing out things they can re-retrieve.

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Because not everything is as easy to re-retrieve like random dungeon drops in which case there is the chance that you will never encounter it again.

I spent god knows how many runs to finish one of the outfits from dungeon drops. Yes we have unsynced now but that still doen't make it guaranteed that you will get the item you threw away quicker.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm not sure why everyone has a fear of throwing out things they can re-retrieve.

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good luck farming something from an alliance raid, especially one from arr-sb where you can be so fortunate as to get two accessories from one boss

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Their plausible reasons have so far been excuses.

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Technical limitations are always getting in the way.
I do honestly believe they are trying to make everything work better, but they probably cannot push past the problems the coding and the engine gives them without doing a major rework here.

Could they work towards that? Sure.
But how much will that drain on resources until it's ready for live?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm not sure why everyone has a fear of throwing out things they can re-retrieve.

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Most of the things I keep are already things that range from annoying to get, to expensive to get, to impossible to get again. Several are cash shop items that would cost real money to replace and, as far as I'm aware, can't be put in the armoire. Several are crafted items that would be pricy to buy or annoying and/or time consuming to make again, a LOT are dungeon and raid gear, and some of it is PvP gear that could take hours of PvP to replace. I don't want to need to spend 3 hours spamming dungeons or the entirety of prime time pvping (if I want less than 30 minute queues) every time I think up a new glamour I want to change over to. Which is fairly often.

As it is there are pieces and sets that I just plain forget exist because they come from some side dungeon I haven't run in a year and forgot was even there. If stuff looks cool and isn't something I can just grab from a vendor again, I try to hang onto it. Try, because that's just too many items to hang onto with the current systems.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm not sure why everyone has a fear of throwing out things they can re-retrieve.

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:remembers when Anima was a thing and required to do the 2.x Alliance Raids:

:shudders at the memory to run for a week several runs in World of Darkness to obtain all healer-pieces:

:bites her lip when remembering co-healers who ignored request and snatched hat plus robe:

:frowns when she notices it even took much longer to get the corresponding caster-set completed - obtained the missing skirt last fall:

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Uhm, you were saying something about re-retrieving stuff...?
Do you want to reconsider that, maybe, as I gave you a prime example of my bad luck...?

I really wish they would, current dresser space is ridicolously tiny and as said it only gets worse as they add more sets. i got to the point of hoping new stuff is actually ugly, so that I don't want it and I don't have to fight with the space problem. It's ridicoulos really, when so many smaller and older MMOs have a perfect system.

Imagine hating WoW so much that you'd rather defend a terrible glamour system than admit that there's things XIV could do better

Decent armory would be gift from a god to this game, but looks like we're not gonna get it.

Definitely agree on a log. As someone who is over obsessive and into fashion-souls, my chests/inventory/saddlebags are constantly near 100%. Its about to were I have to start pitching stuff I really like.

And if you're into crafting/gathering like me, the extra retainers dont help much because they're chock-full of crafting material...

I would love to be able to just unlock gear looks instead of what we have now. If the dye system were upgraded to an unlockable system too, we could have client-side glamour plates. (I know I know... gd mogstation dyes impeding the possibility of progress)

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Originally Posted by ClaudeHerel

Imagine hating WoW so much that you'd rather defend a terrible glamour system than admit that there's things XIV could do better

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I see less of that than people trying to use your argument to claim that SE could easily do things differently.

Is the Glamour system less than desirable? Yes. Would adding an auto-unlocking Glamour Log make a portion of the players happy? Yes. Is it viable to copy WoW's Appearance/Wardrobe system? No. Why? Because of a lot of reasons.

The thing is, wardrobe in WoW serves not only as chest for your armor, but also an atlasloot, where you could find and preview desirable piece of equipment and also see where you can get it.
It's 3rd expansion for XIV, and we have so many armor pieces, especially in dungeons that people dont even know exists, I think it's time to implement armory in some form, because bank aka glamour dresser dont do the work.

Glam dresser needs at least double the slots if we don't get a glam log. I throw glam away all the time because I just don't have room. My dresser is full and my retainers are full. I got rid of all my AF gear to make room. I have so many AF coffers in a retainer that I've never opened (I want to but not enough room). And don't get me started on stuff that doesn't fit in the armoire for no reason, or how obnoxious it is to even have to move between the armoire and the dresser to find some items. Send help!

Yes please. I'm tired of having to clean up my dresser ...

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Glam dresser needs at least double the slots if we don't get a glam log. I throw glam away all the time because I just don't have room. My dresser is full and my retainers are full. I got rid of all my AF gear to make room. I have so many AF coffers in a retainer that I've never opened (I want to but not enough room). And don't get me started on stuff that doesn't fit in the armoire for no reason, or how obnoxious it is to even have to move between the armoire and the dresser to find some items. Send help!

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Again expanding the dresser will do nothing to delay the inevitable. Unless the size of the dresser is expanded to be able to hold the same ammount as all pieces of unique gear. Which would be unfeasable with how the items are stored...

And yeeh, it's incredibly frustrating how badly our total storage space is fragmented between inventory, armory, saddlebag, retainer, armoire, calamity salvager and lastly the dresser.

With a log we could pretty much do away with half of those features.

The glam dresser seems like a short term/band aid solution,but in the long run with all these new gear designs coming out, there's simply not enough slots in the dresser to keep up...

This is the same to housing as well whereby there is limited storage space but new furnishings are constantly being released.

Let's hope the devs could do something about this.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

And yeeh, it's incredibly frustrating how badly our total storage space is fragmented between inventory, armory, saddlebag, retainer, armoire, calamity salvager and lastly the dresser.

With a log we could pretty much do away with half of those features.

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The problem is that the technical issues that led them to create all these complicated inventories are probably the same technical issues that stop them from being able to create a theoretically simple alternative like a glamour log. It's a deep-rooted problem that probably needed to be fixed at the design stage, and may not be feasible now without pulling everything apart and starting over.

They've explained why there isn't a WOW style glamour log. It is a technical limitation; the servers would not be able to handle the intense strain of every player also being a point of reference to every piece of gear in the game they've collected all at one time.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

They've explained why there isn't a WOW style glamour log. It is a technical limitation; the servers would not be able to handle the intense strain of every player also being a point of reference to every piece of gear in the game they've collected all at one time.

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If that's the case, then they have no idea how to design inventory since at most it should be just a bitmap saying locked/unlocked on the server side, while client side handles the specifics. No pointing towards an actually item.

A glamour log should be no more taxing on the servers than the fishing log.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The problem is that the technical issues that led them to create all these complicated inventories are probably the same technical issues that stop them from being able to create a theoretically simple alternative like a glamour log. It's a deep-rooted problem that probably needed to be fixed at the design stage, and may not be feasible now without pulling everything apart and starting over.

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They managed to give us both the Saddle Bag and glamour dresser, as well as expanding the armoire. Not to mention a lot of other additional systems to the game that takes server space. They should be able to implement something like a glmaour log. Technical issues should not be a stopper but rather only increase the time it takes to implement it.

An example would WoW where the devs explicitly said that it was impossible for them to expand the starter backpack because there was so much backend tied to it that something was bound to break if they did, and some time later they also comes out and announce that they figured it out.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

They've explained why there isn't a WOW style glamour log. It is a technical limitation; the servers would not be able to handle the intense strain of every player also being a point of reference to every piece of gear in the game they've collected all at one time.

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I don't think people really understand just how limited they are with what they can do with this game.

Reborn was built fast and ontop of a nightmare of a game code, lots of new features like umbrellas or new races with unique heads are basically minor miracles.
So yeah, lots of MMOs that came out around that time were made in a way that allows for stuff that's just not doable in this game for w/e reason.

It's why people should hope for a new FF MMO to come sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I don't think people really understand just how limited they are with what they can do with this game.

Reborn was built fast and ontop of a nightmare of a game code, lots of new features like umbrellas or new races with unique heads are basically minor miracles.
So yeah, lots of MMOs that came out around that time were made in a way that allows for stuff that's just not doable in this game for w/e reason.

It's why people should hope for a new FF MMO to come sooner rather than later.

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From what I've heard, people have debunked the rumor that ARR actually uses code from 1.0. I wish I could find the posts right now, but hopefully someone else will chime in.