the pet job challange

first I believe the only way SE can improve pet jobs is to make pet jobs

how would I redo summoner.
first I make Carbuncle more summoner family. so it always be on field in battle then I switch the Prime to more summon like bahumat and phoenix so you could have ifrit and shiva and garuda on field service in limit time period at a summon.

I suggest doing pet jobs like Medic and ranger

Medic have dog in some tribute to Rinoa
have medic dog be able gather ie steal medic pack or herb for enemy also tribute to combat dogs as well bomb sniff dogs. it also a way to do chemist, because what is medic but not chemist on battle field. see much are own medical come for studied plants and how mix plant and stuff to make medical also we discovery a turnkit on battle field in one are worlds. I believe a lot are advancement came for battle field with medicals

Ranger would have hawk but ranger would special in traps and posion and dot
trap like posion traps and ability make effect posion to equip the crossbow bolts with.
kind like wow rogue. hawk would more distraction who fly in attack one enemy distract the enemy in combat while ranger use posion bolt and frost tips bolts.
I notice that when SE release jobs it tried balance it combat roles. ranger would burn dots and ice dots while bard use posion and wind dots

Imo keep the fake pets like they are now for SCH and SMN since they are magic based and made of aether (IIRC). If they would have a go with actual pet classes, they should do it with release of a new job like beastmaster or ranger.

I think the best way to redesign summoner is to make the summons actual attacks (and possibly comboing them) instead of keeping a permanent pet out.

Summon Ifrit: Hard aoe damage etc

Summon Titan: Hard single target Damage etc

Summon Shiva: Combos from Titan, Harder single target damage

I honestly don't trust SE to code a proper pet class at this point. Trying to control SCH and SMN pets before they turned into unkillable, following turrets was an exercise in frustration. Even now latency issues with both can cause skills to outright be eaten like with Seraph whom if you decide to click any of her skills with 5 seconds remaining on her timer has a 50/50 shot of eating the cast entirely, or applying the affect to part of the party before disappearing.

That isn't to say improvements can't be made and that if a genuine attempt was made I would be amicable to seeing it happen. However, again, SE just doesn't have the best track record with pet classes to begin with nor redesigning classes for that matter. They'd almost be better off bringing in outside talent to take a look at where the failings in their current approach happen to be at this point. Though you could say that about a lot of their approaches to class mechanics...

my view on summon titan and Shiva is more
Titan does protect shield of to players

I think Carbruncle should be permit familar/pet on field and summon of the Prime should be limit period 10 second to 30 second people love they carbruncle.
I would include add to addiation carbruncle Amyestial and Diamand if you seen post I done they would related Ramuh and Shiva.

beastmaster should be limit pet job which focus tamed beast and and drake and fight with them

if they gave the Scholar pet healing base on scholars stat this would be helpful scholar use one state and Summoner use another

for example summoner damage and hp for they pet could be base on INT

aswell as scholar faerie heal and hp base on scholar wisedom state.

use a new Trait for both jobs called a bond had is a bond shared. if they make summoner and scholar pet have state damage base hp base on they stat this would go a long way improve them. this could be use for other pet jobs too

They should just keep SMN pets as is, and focus on Trance dancing similar to how BRD goes through its songs, SMN goes through Bahamut, Phoenix, etc. I would say that they need to change Dreadwyrm Trance to Primal Trance where the current summoned egi (or glamoured egi) would get the bigger version upon use and it just plays out as normal with egi assaults. Enkindle would make the the summon use is special attack, i.e Ifrit = Hellfire. Ifirit, Garuda and Titan's large forms and their special attack can be used in HoH so they have proven the concept. Mechanically SMN feels right so cosmetic changes are all that is needed imo. I really hope they add Alexander next expansion via Judgment Trance.

I been hope for Shiva and Diamond Carbruncle and aswell Ramuh and Amyestial Carbruncle. through I think have trait for both summoner and scholar the take stats for these two and share them with they pet maybe a useful way improve the pets. it easy system to balance too. for every 5 point in int or wisdom equal 1 point of hp and mana aswell increase in healing or dps. through it doesn't have be that low. it also would help future pet jobs.
wis 5 int 5= hp/heal or hp/dps

a trait called share bonding would allow SE to balance out hp and such pretty easy

I'm really on the fence. I like the direction SMN has taken as of late, but I don't think pet jobs can work perfectly with the legacy code present in the background. I think it would be good to remove the pet, keep the trance system, and replace oGCDs/Egi-Assaults/Aetherflow abilities with primal animations. They could keep current ACN ability visuals for ACN and change/upgrade them when equipping the SMN soulstone.

For example:

• Bane: Replaced with Leviathan appearing to use Gyre Spume for the same effect.
• Energy Drain: Replaced with Shiva appearing to use Heavenly Strike for the same effect.
• Energy Syphon: Replaced with Ramuh using Judgement Bolt for the same effect.
• Fester: Replaced with Odin appearing to use Einherjar for the same effect.
• Earthen Armor: Put on standard cooldown like BLM has.
• Egi-Assault 1: Replaced with Garuda appearing to use current Slipstream (AoE) and shares timer/charges with Ifrit.
• Egi-Assault 2: Replaced with Ifrit appearing to use current Crimson Cyclone (ST) and shares timer/charges with Garuda.
• Devotion: Replaced with Good King Moggle Mog XII appearing for the same effect.
• Painflair: Replaced with Anima for the same effect.
• Tri-Disaster: Replaced with Magus Sisters for the same effect.
• Resurrection: Could be replaced with Cait Sith to avoid Phoenix overlap, or keep the overlap.
• Etc.

Enkindle could alter these primal abilities to produce a different animation and stronger potency one time each while the buff is active. Ruins/DoTs could remain as is to keep that Rydia flair, or also be replaced with other primal abilities. The removal of Summon 1, 2, and 3 would free up 3 button spaces for new abilities that do real stuff.

With the Trance system, there is great potential. Initial Glittering Trance could pop out our Carbuncle (glamoured to preference), then turn into Dreadwyrm Trance, which then like now leads into Firebird Trance. It would provide a missing step so we almost always have a trance active and the semblance of still being a pet job, albeit within the current constraints of the trance attack system (attacks when you do, they're temporary summons).

I like carbruncle I think have them out permitly would way to advance the summoner ability to fight in combat make them not connect to bahumat would also help have summon more like guardian in wow for example out for limit time. make Carbruncle more like familiar of the summoner so you have them out all time also would be awesome. this way you summon different Carbruncle and each devote to different type elemental damage. you have all summon be separate but limit time frame be on battle carbruncle more Summoner's Familiar permitly out on battle field. give summoner and future pet jobs trait give like I said early set amount hp/dps base on Int aswell Scholar and they faire as well future pet jobs. the trait could just be called bond of kinship
the ideal of take int use as health pool and damage deal is also useful it can be control how much hp and damage base on scale system. if you look int and wisdom in both are really high. it could be like you just add 1k health or even 10k health base state.

like you I welcome the use of my ideals. for jobs and class by SE through I don't care if they don't

your ideal make pet job non exsist and that not want I want SE to do the challenge improve the pet job is to figure a system to make it work not doing away with complete. that not good ideal and that not concept of a summoner.

like said

Summoner Int Scholar Wis= hp/dps or hp/healing of the pet

it sound to me you want do away with pet jobs not tried improve it

sound like black mage is more your thing

the other way for is to overhaul the legacy coding and work make new coding for ffxiv 2.0 through 5.0 if you had team work expansion then switch over and work overhaul the legacy coding when they have time it be way fix legacy ffxiv

With regard to summoner specifically, I would rather you skin their “spells” as summons.. so instead of “ruin” it makes carbuncle do some equivalent attack. Instead of the miasma dots, it summons...I dunno.. ifrit? to do a “burning” dot.

So same skills, but actual summoning animations. I’d axe the egi system entirely and just have a carbuncle on the field.

I also don’t like that you build up a bar to get bahamut...which then allows phoenix. It would be better to have a gauge fill which allows you to call 1 major summon, which depending on which you choose has varying effects. (Think MCH’s battery gauge to turret) Bahamut could be straight dps, Phoenix could be party-wide regen+AoE fire dot, etc.

I guess a way to make it interesting would be to allow lesser summons to come out akin to guild wars 2 spirits. Basically in there, you summon a spirit onto the field and it just sits where you plop it, giving a radius effect (a lot like the old bishop turret), except the effects vary by spirit and you can pull out multiple at once... but it’s hard to give flavorful differences to all possible summons.

I like see carbruncle on field then summon ifrit shiva and garuda for 60 second limit use they skill which place dots on mobs which the bane can spread to other mobs but titan more give the summoner shielding spell that protect her or him for damage.

I believe ffxiv should be it own game not borrowing for guild wars 2.

my suggest is to keep summoner as people think it is for ff series but draw on ideal for them as I suggest with some of jobs in ffxiv

summoner could draw on elemental of ffxi where summoner summon the prime for limit time in battle like I suggest use carbruncle more as permit pets or any many a pet that service the more reasonable primes like Ramuh and Shiva.

I like see more pets jobs not less and improvement made on current one I also like see new companion like dragonling for example.

if I where SE I would see this period were one can't work on expansion or patch as perfect place work on overhauling the ffxiv 1.0 engine for it benfitted all jobs for it to be overhaul not just pet jobs. if you think about 2.0 to 5.25 isn't much different then 1.0 but it give them a chance earn alittle exp money. through the devs team I problem busy even while covrnida 19 is going on

my desire for devs isn't remove what they have but expand and improve on it. I think SE has ability to improve summoner I would love see Medic which is chemist but I figure we have alchemist so called medic and add dog is a good tribute to FFviii. I like ideal of ranger what hawk that attack them enemy then fly away allow ranger to cause further damage in dnd ranger have pet. many culture in age past use hawks to hunt and fight in war. through the hunt hawk would smaller then hawk ranger would use. like I said I don't want do away with summoner ability but expand them they only way is for devs to challenge them selves to make more pets jobs as and at same point look how they improve summoner/scholar. I meanly offer suggest and a challenge to the devs I can suggest ideal to improve summoner and scholar but that all.

the same reason I often suggest allow players to have dragonling to lvl and help grown

SMN is amazing now. I literally would not change it!!

That said, bringing in a new class like Beastmaster would be nice and have it have pets that you can tame and then use would be kinda cool. But please SE do not make it or any new job a limited job ever again! IMO BLU in FFXIV is the worst thing to ever have come about.

Unfortunately beastmaster would very likely be a limited job if it had the full on tame aspect, otherwise itd need to be more along the lines of smn, having a select few set monters you can bring out kinda deal. As for current pets, still have issues, their actions can be very delayed, sometimes to point where some dont even happen. Guess they could increase their movement speed just a smig and quicken the animations they do, definitely have had garuda and eos/selene just up and vanish on me during dungeon runs a few times, along with just losing pet action and even devotion or enkindle...

I'd have carbuncles be the basic pets. ST one, AoE one, defence one.

Your various austerities of X quests would unlock a demi for each carby. Using the "demi-summon" skill makes the appropriate primal burst out of whichever carby is summoned and gain charged up version of their attacks. Enkindle functions basically the same as Enkindle Bahamut (which is a skill I'd do away with, just have Enkindle be Enkindle for whatever Demi you've summoned.)

HW would be much the same, unlocking trance for Bahamut.

SB would be much the same, unlocking demi Bahamut. He combines with your trance though now, in much the same way Pheonix gives you special primal skills, so would Bahamut.

ShB would have you apply this new knowledge backwards on to your original demi-Ifrit/Garuda/Titan. With Pheonix being your cap stone skill still.

At some point after HW the SMN job trainer would have an optional side-quest where she provides some excuse-plot reasoning for expanding your original pet collection. You can then go on Austerities of Lightning/Ice/Water quests to unlock 3 new carby variants and associated demi-summons. A SMN glam window would let you put these 6 options in the 3 summon slots.

I would apply the same standard of demi to ifrit garuda titan Shiva and Ramuh

give summoner ability to summoner Diamond Carbruncle and Amyestial Carbruncle

beastmaster could be limit job and have pvp elemental to it beast master and they beast vs beastmaster their beast

through they wont make peta happy but who care about peta it far worst on animal then video games.

The visuals and mechanics are underwhelming to me. Honestly, I've been playing the FF7 remake last couple of days and the gameplay is just stellar. Like an evolution of KH3 and FF15. One of the best combat systems I've played that has weight behind the normal attacks. Has variety in its normal attacks and does a decent job of not making it feel to hack and slash. Also blends turn-based and qte into the combat so fluidly imo. If that combat engine isnt utilized for future FF installments including the MMO, I'd be super disappointed. It would definitely be a waste. I got to seriously thinking about it and I truly have convinced myself it would work in an MMO. They already have a Warrior/Dark Knight base with Cloud. Monk with Tifa, BLM/WHM with Aerith, MCH with Garret and PLD/SAM. A beautiful base template imo.

Similar to FF7R, I could see SMN focus on increasing his summon gauge with his own actives then choose to summon 1 of 3 primals (just to start). Then that primal exists for a period of time, say 30-60 seconds and attacks on their own, but you can issue special hard hitting attacks. (So kinda similar to what they were trying to go with before ShB). But like FF7R, make those suckers big and intimidating. Im not scared of a chicken nugget with legs or a tiny birb. And having a floating candle next to me doesnt make me feel like I'm "channeling the primals" or whatever. I want some big bois that make me say "Dang, now thats an Eikon...".

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The visuals and mechanics are underwhelming to me. Honestly, I've been playing the FF7 remake last couple of days and the gameplay is just stellar. Like an evolution of KH3 and FF15. One of the best combat systems I've played that has weight behind the normal attacks. Has variety in its normal attacks and does a decent job of not making it feel to hack and slash. Also blends turn-based and qte into the combat so fluidly imo. If that combat engine isnt utilized for future FF installments including the MMO, I'd be super disappointed. It would definitely be a waste. I got to seriously thinking about it and I truly have convinced myself it would work in an MMO. They already have a Warrior/Dark Knight base with Cloud. Monk with Tifa, BLM/WHM with Aerith, MCH with Garret and PLD/SAM. A beautiful base template imo.

Similar to FF7R, I could see SMN focus on increasing his summon gauge with his own actives then choose to summon 1 of 3 primals (just to start). Then that primal exists for a period of time, say 30-60 seconds and attacks on their own, but you can issue special hard hitting attacks. (So kinda similar to what they were trying to go with before ShB). But like FF7R, make those suckers big and intimidating. Im not scared of a chicken nugget with legs or a tiny birb. And having a floating candle next to me doesnt make me feel like I'm "channeling the primals" or whatever. I want some big bois that make me say "Dang, now thats an Eikon...".

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I absolutely love the idea of the primals fighting on their own and you just use special attacks for their big attacks. Hopefully that’s something square will implement in 6.0 I want summoner to feel like a summoner. Give us a trance rotation like bard had with its songs.

I like summoner to feel like summoner too. that why I suggest carbruncle more like summoner familor that could be on field at all time and have prime limit to 60 to 30 second.

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I like summoner to feel like summoner too. that why I suggest carbruncle more like summoner familor that could be on field at all time and have prime limit to 60 to 30 second.

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Have you played summoner in recent years?

yes I just want see more of that I wish it did take them till shadowbring to get thing right I would love for them to do same with ifrit titan garuda shiva and Ramuh. I would like see more carbruncle too

I wouldn't get your hopes up on another pet job nor a version of the primal you are looking for. I doubt will see anything in Egi Glamour beside carby but that does check off your carby on the field box.

Beast master I'm hoping for is a limited job ala pokemon style gameplay where the player is immune and commands pet via old school RPG interface.

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I wouldn't get your hopes up on another pet job nor a version of the primal you are looking for. I doubt will see anything in Egi Glamour beside carby but that does check off your carby on the field box.

Beast master I'm hoping for is a limited job ala pokemon style gameplay where the player is immune and commands pet via old school RPG interface.

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I honestly feel like at this point they are going to get rid of summoner it’s in 6.0. They are clunky, don’t use abilities when you need them too and just the delay in them is awful. Bearable but awful. That’s why there is no ego-glamour talk and we are almost in 5.3 patch. I’m hoping for. Trance rotation much like how bard rotated their songs. 100% uptime.

We have a window of nothing happening between the summon windows due to simple cooldowns. This would be a prime opportunitiey to squeeze in some additional Bahamut/Phoenix-style summons. I would suggest this be large versions of Ramuh, Shiva, and Leviathan replacing Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan egis respectively depending on what you have summoned at the time. They would function as slightly more powerful versions of these egis in the same way that the egis are slightly more powerful versions of the carbuncles. This lets us keep the same rotation we have now which works with an addition of one button during our slow time, and we get more large summons. Win-win.

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We have a window of nothing happening between the summon windows due to simple cooldowns. This would be a prime opportunitiey to squeeze in some additional Bahamut/Phoenix-style summons. I would suggest this be large versions of Ramuh, Shiva, and Leviathan replacing Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan egis respectively depending on what you have summoned at the time. They would function as slightly more powerful versions of these egis in the same way that the egis are slightly more powerful versions of the carbuncles. This lets us keep the same rotation we have now which works with an addition of one button during our slow time, and we get more large summons. Win-win.

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I really like this idea :) I just want to summon more. That’s all. That’s what a summoner is. They could take a note from FFXI since it’s a huge inspiration for them. I want summoner to be a summoner not a ruin mage haha. It seems they are moving away from that a bit and I’m happy about it. Now get rid of the clunky pets and let us have a trance rotation and I will be super happy. I also love the idea of summoning a Demi-primal and they attack on their own kinda like in FFVII Remake. Someone suggested this and I thought wow that would be a fabulous idea

I like see them doing summoner base summon ifrit ramuh titan shiva. and at same time summon they have carbruncle on field as the familir for the summoner. Ifrit, Ramuh, Titan, Shiva, Garuda, 60 second summons. Phoenix and Bahumat demi egi sigh these are high primes 30 second summon. beast master more limit job were beastmaster and beast side by side and with blue mage in dungeon leveling pet up and fight other beast master and pets.

ffvii is ff root if you must know it where ideal for dark knight came for Cloud is the arch-type for dark knight

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ffvii is ff root if you must know it where ideal for dark knight came for Cloud is the arch-type for dark knight

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Not trying to nitpick here, but ”if you must know” the roots for everything in FF14 comes from all the other FFs in varying places. Much of Heavensward comes from FF4, specifically the base look and “feel” of DRK. Additional ideas from FF5. Obvious additional bits from FF11..but it was a dps there.

Aside from the huge sword, Cloud has very little in common with DRK.

Almost everything in this game is all over the place (Ronka FF5, the secret of Mana “Mana Tree/pink birds” nod in Qitana Ravel, Doma FF4, MCH Edgar FF6, etc etc)

I dont want a smn rework . i want the stormblood smn gameplay expanded. Sure summoner needs more summons but it also needs depth just clicking a button and an animation playing isnt fun what is fun on smn is all the planning around trying to survive through your lower point to reach that high point that is your summon . a summon on summoner shouldnt be like a blm fire 4 rotation or a rdm finisher it should be a game changer like for example on pheonix even though he is 1 button it requires a dreadwyrm trance and a bahamut rotation but it compensates with a heal, buffed up insta spells and the summon itself. the kicker is though the trance is what provides most of those buffs not the summon , bahamut is bad in comparison and the high point of pheonix doesnt feel as satisfying as stormblood bahamut with the aetherflow . if anything they should switch it back to 1 demi summon per 2 mins and instead give variety on what to summon as well as giving further power ups . as for removing ruin dots and stuff those spell are as esential to summoner as the summons themselves i know alot of jobs are upgrades to their original but smn isnt that ,smn is a specialist arcanist and ofc his specialty is summoning and scholar specialises in healing. removing aetherflow was honestly a mistake and i do wish that this smn continues the story of summoner hasnt finished yet and i really liked where it was going.

You do not want 1 demi-summon every 2 minutes no matter how much variety there is, nor have it be dependent on building up stacks of Aetherflow and Trance. Even a single death was a large setback when we had this system. I agree that Aetherflow is a bit floaty at the moment with it just kind of mostly existing on its own, but it absolutely should not go back to what it was before.

my suggest with medic is base some feature off FFVIII dog Sant' Angelo di Roma it ability called Angelo search where it search for items. with Medic more a search for medic pack the enemy like Garelon have or herb or such it can use. it be first pistol weild healer that doesn't use magic to heal

beast master it more I seen like job fight side by side with it pets

I like see summoner more base on it ffx or ffxi concepts.

They should just rework Egi summons into being lesser versions of Demi summons, temporary pets with cooldowns. Make the summons in general much more powerful to compensate for the loss of auto attacks from persistent Egi summons. Ifrit, Titan and Garuda still having the role as melee single-target, defensive support and ranged AoE respectively.

Instead of progressing from Bahamut to Phoenix, we pick who we'd want out, both having similar damage this time but with different uses. Bahamut being the raw damage dealer, then Phoenix being the defensive support. Bahamut gets his own FoF/BoP and Egi Assaults serving as more commands to use for them during summoning but as an ogcd. Maybe make it 30 seconds this time instead of 20. Hopefully fixing the Demi summon movement problem and pet response by then.

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I agree to an extent. I cared more about the gameplay than the flashy aesthetic Summoner has. Stormblood Summoner had so much depth and tactical planning that is just missing in Shadowbringers Summoner. Aetherflow kept all of its toolkits together and it was a good way to progress your rotation. Problem is, I don't exactly miss being able to Summon Bahamut every 2 minutes. It feels way too long of a wait with how bare-bones basic Summoner's GCDs are, plus every other job gets their "ultimate" move much sooner than that. It also puts the job at so much risk from death, not that it's any different right now but still.

Still, I hope in the future we get to choose one Demi summon instead of the 'Bahamut > Phoenix' progression we have now. Assuming they add yet another Demi summon into our rotation in the next expansion, progressing into 3 of them would be too much.

I like see Carbruncle more like familiar and summon more like well just summon. with familiar they be out at all time of combat. summoner can have summon out at same time as they have they familiar out they work different through a summon has limit time be out

summoner familiar gain dps and hp as much as they int. the high the int the longer a prime can be on field maybe this bad ideal but picture you have summon out such Ifrit shiva Garuda and titan. one redo the dots so that summon attack are apply to the summon and the summoner ability just use bain and pain flare and well. one could have it if you summon say one of each summon you can summon behamut or Phoenix. it this trance is more way to achieve a high summon. the summon are limit to 60 second while high summon are limit to 30 second. the summoner familiar has no time limit as does scholar familiar.

one could argue the scholar fairie and scholar could possible have familiar out at same time but since the scholars int is lower then they familiar doesn't get as much hp and dps but fairie get more hp/healing power because of their wisdom.

if Square enix would take the an ideal of trait such ????
it would allow them to use pet jobs skill like int or wisdom and have translate to hp/dps and hp/heal this would great improve scholar and summoner. yet this could be use for other pet jobs aswell

why I like see beast master more as hybrid pet job where you fight side be side with your pet. blizzard already did pokemon game it doesn't turn out very well. if beastmaster if fight side by side with they pet they could come out with a pvp kind arena style game for doing for fun or rare pets or rare spell for blue mage. one could even seen this as for e-sport part of ffxiv

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You do not want 1 demi-summon every 2 minutes no matter how much variety there is, nor have it be dependent on building up stacks of Aetherflow and Trance. Even a single death was a large setback when we had this system. I agree that Aetherflow is a bit floaty at the moment with it just kind of mostly existing on its own, but it absolutely should not go back to what it was before.

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i absolutely do want a demi summon every 2 mins. i want my demis to be powerspikes not powerbumps . also even though death was punishing, aetherflow made the rotation fluid and flexible it connected everything together and the pay off was worth it, it was fun. I know that not every job need to be hard and punishing but you would expect that the calculating mage would be one of them. old bahamut felt ferocious truly a demi of the calamity dreadwyrm and it showed with how fast it killed stuff. compared to current bahamut there is no contest. to me its a matter of quality over quantity, i want demi summons to be gamechanging i want for those 20 seconds that the demi summon comes out to be the god cause i just summoned the dragon who destroyed the world and he is about to do it again. if that means 2 min demi summons so be it

through the ideal of ranger weild a hand crossbow and have hawk pet would awesome ideal. the ranger would have focus on bleed, frost , and traps.
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and the ideal of Medic weild a pistol and dog would be all so awesome. the medic I my ideal of chemist because what is medic but chemist who understand medicals and drugs that have made help heal. I thought of medic because of Garilon not able use Aether yet I suppect that there is where expansion lie not only this but garelens have huge bulldogs that people want as mounts.

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I like see Carbruncle more like familiar and summon more like well just summon. with familiar they be out at all time of combat. summoner can have summon out at same time as they have they familiar out they work different through a summon has limit time be out

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I hope the don't replace the egi's and force us to stick with carbuncle. Carbuncle is so boring compared to the primal-egi's. The one change I would like to see is getting rid of the bahamut -> phoenix phase thing, and just giving us the option to choose between them when the time comes. Phoenix is better for AoE against mobs while bahamut is better for single target. This would also work better foor when they inevitably want to add more summons in later expansions, instead of making the classes rotation even longer, we just get more options to choose from for demis.

Personally I'm really happy with where summoners are at mechanically so any changes should be cosmetic. I'd love for some more egi glamours to include the other "traditional" primals/summons. Another cool cosmetic change I think they could make would be to change some of our spell visuals/animations to include the other primals. So for example Miasma and Bio could be made into Shiva/Diamond dust and Leviathan/Tidal Wave and Energy Drain could be Ramuh/Judgement Bolt.

Mechanically the spells would work exactly the same but visually as a part of the cast animation when we cast those spells we'd summon egi versions of the respective primals and to apply the dot and give us the aetherflow stacks and then they'd disappear. this would further the feeling of us being summoners and the "momentary" summons wouldn't be out of line with the lore IMO. Tri Disaster would summon both at the same time. Could be pushed further to include other primals by changing other spells but imo that might be overkill. ED and the 2 Dots are only cast every 30seconds or so there'd be a little bit of down time between "summons".

Personally I wouldn't want to see the egi system go nor the current egis replaced. I do like having a pet constantly on the field. I'm also not a fan of carbuncle so i'd be annoyed if that became my only option personally (how it is with glamours is good). Any actual gameplay changes or additions, IMO, should be focused on enhancing the trance system. If I were to make any mechanical suggestions I'd like to see Demi-Bahamut merged with Dreadwyrm Trance so it worked more closely to demi-pheonix and firebird trance. Either that or they could change DWT to be a sort of "Egi-trance" where we get an empowered/demi version of our current egi. I'd love to see Odin or Alexander added as the next Demi summons.

I also like how the demi summons rotate are (mostly) the same functionally. This way I get to see the summons more equally. Choosing based on different situations could be cool but I'd be too afraid that certain ones would end up being summoned much more often than others. I like them all getting their turn to be summoned.

If they could somehow transition the ruin spam, egi-assult, and some of the aether stacks spells to be more "summoner" themed I think that'd be cool but I wouldn't want it to be at the expense of the current egi/demi/trance system cause honestly it feels really good IMO and it's fun to play gameplay wise and visually.