Lupin playable race?

So since they added Hrothgar and Viera as playable races, will they ever add Lupins? I imagine they won't be able to wear helms just like them, and probably have the same hair/face restrictions as Hrothgar.

But I'm sure square won't mind if it boosts fantasia sales and attracts more players (furies) to the game!

Seriously though might as well add them.

No thanks, no more limited races please

pretty sure they said these two will be the last race they’ll add to the game in a live letter or fanfest

I'd prefer they finish the races they just added. Viera still can't wear all headgear and have limited hair styles. Hrothgar can't even change hair styles without using a Fantasia and also can't wear all headgear. Then of course there are no male viera and no female hrothgar which people seriously want as well.

As much as I'd rather have Lupin than the last two we got, they won't bother with another race, especially considering how limited the new ones are regarding customization atm.

Only if they decide to actually take the time and resources to give them customizability on par with all of the older races.

I'd rather see character creation revamped with way more options for the existing races.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

I'd prefer they finish the races they just added. Viera still can't wear all headgear and have limited hair styles. Hrothgar can't even change hair styles without using a Fantasia and also can't wear all headgear. Then of course there are no male viera and no female hrothgar which people seriously want as well.

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Aside from Hrothgar issue with fantasia thats how the races are suppose to be on those 2 oringally they weren't going to be able to wear any helmets in the game an due to their special head options that noone else has and honestly it needs to stay like that. They just need to give them male and female options.

I’d rather they add more customization for our current races. (Viera and Hrothgar included)

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

Aside from Hrothgar issue with fantasia thats how the races are suppose to be on those 2 oringally they weren't going to be able to wear any helmets in the game an due to their special head options that noone else has and honestly it needs to stay like that. They just need to give them male and female options.

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Pretty sure they said at some point they were going to work on getting the other hair styles available for Viera in the future.

I don't understand why they say Hrothgar can't wear helms. All they need to do is reshape the front of the helmet to allow room for their muzzle. ESO and Warcraft can do it.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

Aside from Hrothgar issue with fantasia thats how the races are suppose to be on those 2 oringally they weren't going to be able to wear any helmets in the game an due to their special head options that noone else has and honestly it needs to stay like that. They just need to give them male and female options.

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Clearly they weren't intended to have the other genders if that's how they are now, though, right?

Yeah, I can't support adding more races until the current set are fully finished.

They did say Viera and Hrothgar are gonna be the last race, so dont get any hopes up. At most they will add male and female Viera/Hrothgar to complete them. But beside that, they have plenty to finish. Current Viera and Hrothgar still lack many things, unfinished parts. The UI of the character creator deserves better, more options are also welcome. Another "new", playable race is 100% not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

I don't understand why they say Hrothgar can't wear helms. All they need to do is reshape the front of the helmet to allow room for their muzzle. ESO and Warcraft can do it.

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It's looks terrible on worgen and tauren; instead of the neck hole on the base it's on the back. No idea of how ESO do it.

With viera they have to make veira versions like the did with miqo'te and it's a lot of armor to change. It also would look really stupid with large ears.

They should give them more hair though.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

It's looks terrible on worgen and tauren; instead of the neck hole on the base it's on the back. No idea of how ESO do it.

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ESO stretch the opening around the mouth so the muzzle fits through it.

No other races will be added, only limited ones.

Didn’t Yoship say at one point they wanted to add a more wolf-like face for Hrothgar or did I dream that?

But yeah as many have stated, they said these will most likely be the last races they add. I imagine they’ll add the missing genders in an expansion or two.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

I don't understand why they say Hrothgar can't wear helms. All they need to do is reshape the front of the helmet to allow room for their muzzle. ESO and Warcraft can do it.

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It's the caps and hats that I'm raising an eyebrow for mostly. Those sit on the head, and could easily be moved back a little to allow the ears through for Hrothgar. No excuse for those not being usable yet.

Viera...I'm sorry to say that with those large ears, they may as well let them clip through stuff, it's going to be less work then having to reshape ear holes on everything for them.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Didn’t Yoship say at one point they wanted to add a more wolf-like face for Hrothgar or did I dream that?

But yeah as many have stated, they said these will most likely be the last races they add. I imagine they’ll add the missing genders in an expansion or two.

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I remember that quote as well, unsure if it was a translation error or not since nothing for hroth (or viera) have been done since release... But i would swap instantly if there was a wolf like head or if lupin were playable.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

I don't understand why they say Hrothgar can't wear helms. All they need to do is reshape the front of the helmet to allow room for their muzzle. ESO and Warcraft can do it.

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Normal characters' hairstyles get partly or entirely switched off when they equip a hat or helm that covers it.

Hrothgar hair isn't programmed as a hairstyle, so most likely it can't be made to switch off in the same way, and would clip through the helm.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Didn’t Yoship say at one point they wanted to add a more wolf-like face for Hrothgar or did I dream that?

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He said there was a wolf face. Either it was a mistranslation or he just misinterpreted what he saw.

Later when they released pictures of one of the face models (the one with tiger stripes) some people were saying "oh, that must be the wolf face he was talking about"... it's clearly a cat face as far as I can see, but evidently some people saw it differently and Yoshida seems to have been one of them.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Normal characters' hairstyles get partly or entirely switched off when they equip a hat or helm that covers it.

Hrothgar hair isn't programmed as a hairstyle, so most likely it can't be made to switch off in the same way, and would clip through the helm.





He said there was a wolf face. Either it was a mistranslation or he just misinterpreted what he saw.

Later when they released pictures of one of the face models (the one with tiger stripes) some people were saying "oh, that must be the wolf face he was talking about"... it's clearly a cat face as far as I can see, but evidently some people saw it differently and Yoshida seems to have been one of them.

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Awww. Thanks for clearing that up! I didn’t think giving the Hrothgar a lupine option would make much sense, but I was still looking forward to it!

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

It's looks terrible on worgen and tauren; instead of the neck hole on the base it's on the back. No idea of how ESO do it.

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ESO made the majority of the helms either "buckets" that deform to fit over Khajit and Argonian muzzles or open faced. Most of the post 50 FFXIV helms are head swaps with ear additions which work fine for most races since they only have 1 head model. Hrothgar have 4 different head models (one of which has a horn)

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With viera they have to make veira versions like the did with miqo'te and it's a lot of armor to change. It also would look really stupid with large ears.

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It is the 4 different ear variations that make the Viera tricky. All 4 are shapped differently so it is not making 1 ear addon as with the miqo'te/elezen/lala versions, but would require making 4 different versions. Hats are also problematic because each ear set clips differently.

As far as Lupin goes, I think it would be just easier if SE just gives us a Lupin mask and call it a day. It’s what they should’ve given us that one Halloween when the werewolf costume was the prize. We have the hands and feet, now give us the proper mask and done.

I would prefer they revamp and add more customization to every race, add male and female counterparts to the new ones instead of another race.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

As far as Lupin goes, I think it would be just easier if SE just gives us a Lupin mask and call it a day. It’s what they should’ve given us that one Halloween when the werewolf costume was the prize. We have the hands and feet, now give us the proper mask and done.

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Feeling like we would never get lupin as playable, id be okish with this as well. If it looked as good as the bunny mask iv been seeing. Would be even better if it was just flat out the lupin head that people could have on any body type that was animated and dyeable.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

Feeling like we would never get lupin as playable, id be okish with this as well. If it looked as good as the bunny mask iv been seeing. Would be even better if it was just flat out the lupin head that people could have on any body type that was animated and dyeable.

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Yeah, when I said mask I meant like the entire NPC Lupin head like a helmet I guess. I think that would be easy to do.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

So since they added Hrothgar and Viera as playable races, will they...

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I think before we add anymore races we need to finish adding the ones that were halfway added this expansion...

Particularly the Hrothgar gender lock. While there is a lore reason thinly covering up the Viera gender lock (*)... there isn't even that excuse for the Hrothgar...

(*) I say thinly because... people forget this... the same reason actually exists for Miqote... males are supposed to be very rare... but of course, we have a LOT of NPC male Miqote in game. So this excuse... has worn out it's welcome...

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I think before we add anymore races we need to finish adding the ones that were halfway added this expansion...

Particularly the Hrothgar gender lock. While there is a lore reason thinly covering up the Viera gender lock (*)... there isn't even that excuse for the Hrothgar...

(*) I say thinly because... people forget this... the same reason actually exists for Miqote... males are supposed to be very rare... but of course, we have a LOT of NPC male Miqote in game. So this excuse... has worn out it's welcome...

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The excuse for both races is the same. The missing gender is very rare. There isn't really a difference at the end of the day, it's just the veira excuse dates back to the old Ivalice games so it's more established, while Hrothgar are rare.

However, the truth for both races is simply a matter of them not having the resources to do both genders for both races. They decided to instead split the difference and add viera and a beast race, instead of fully fleshing out one or the other, and the lore is only an excuse. The real reason is they just don't have the resources on the team to handle it. And if they ever add male viera/female hrothgar, it won't be because the lore changed, it'll be because they managed to get the resources to do them. It's the exact same with Miqo'te, highlaners and Roegadyn in 1.0, and their matching parent races in XI. It's all about resource allocation, lore is just an excuse for it, not the actual cause.

Lol its funny, apparently the Lupin were popular, but for some reason instead of updating the models and giving customization options for player characters, they decided to make the Hrothgar from scratch.
Honestly, Id think the Lupin would be in the same boat, limited head options. Not even the enemies or NPCs had headgear designed for them

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Originally Posted by BiddyBatnana

No other races will be added, only limited ones.

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I've tossed this around a bit but I actually do wonder if people would be ok with them adding in a non limited race or giving us the counter parts to these races but designing them as to not be limited because they see how well that went over this time.

Not that I think they would do either, they have said in so many words that there's no point in adding something that's not extremely unique at this point in time so I expect the counter parts to be just as limited but I really could see them forgoing that in favor of adding a small cute beast race.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

ESO made the majority of the helms either "buckets" that deform to fit over Khajit and Argonian muzzles or open faced. Most of the post 50 FFXIV helms are head swaps with ear additions which work fine for most races since they only have 1 head model. Hrothgar have 4 different head models (one of which has a horn)

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That's like how all their set pieces work. It just deforms to the body. Like a body suit. That combined with a lot of the character idle stance makes everything look off. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of cool looking sets, and a large amount of variety, but nothing looks right. Especially bad on females. They HAVE to have godawful thigh pauldrons (usually floating) on like EVERY SINGLE piece of motif gear too. It really grinds my gears.

There was already a big many hundred page topic about this... do we need a new one.