From pure gameplay perspective Machinist is above what we had before (4.x was a disaster), but multiple aspects of current design make absolutely no sense. I will describe what problems i see and try to offer some solutions.
I will also try to offer solution to Hypercharge because this is main complaint of many people about rotation of the job.
Heat Gauge:
1. Why there is no connection between main combo and Heat Gauge? Even if Heat Gauge is at 0, we are able to use Heated Actions. It's even funnier between 54 and 64 because only some actions are Heated. Absolutely no sense.
2. Heated Actions have way too wild animations. It's really silly that everything we do are sideflips, 360 noscope spins, or 720 backflips. And where are the bullets and gunshots? There is no gun in a gun wielding job. I know that Bard can get a little jumpy when you are blessed with good RNG, but basic actions have pretty normal animations.
3. Why Crossbow is related to Hypercharge? Technically it can be explained that Multitool is powered by heat, but its not, only Crossbow needs Hypercharge, everything else has its own cooldown. No sense here.
And while we are at Hypercharge - Flamethrower is not related to it at all. And we magically release flames from our gun, even though we have Multitool.
Battery Gauge:
4. I know it can be explained by gameplay mechanics that main combo and Hot Shot charge Battery Gauge, but i feel like it was slapped to just add something to the job and it can be simply replaced by cooldown on Automaton.
And i also feel like Turret should stay as separate summon, because it appears on all artworks (also Job Guide artwork) and even Deep Dungeon icon. It would add more variety to Machine part of the job.
I think that Machinist deserves something better, after 4 years since its introduction its still not properly designed. It really looks like it was quickly reworked just a moment before Job Action Trailer, because it has plenty of logical flaws. I would even say it deserves a rework from scratch.
But also lets not pretend that current iteration is an absolute disaster, it simply needs some adjustments.
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03-09-2020, 03:07 AMCetek14Issues with Machinist design
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03-09-2020, 03:08 AMCetek14
Now i will try to offer some solutions that would, in my opinion, solve the problems while keeping current design. Because i know that many people are afraid of next reworks since it can be turned to something worse.
1. Both original and heated main combo actions are relics that should be already gone. We need set of new well made animations with satisfying gunshots.
Main combo won't be related to Heat Gauge.
2. Crossbow is now trait replacing Spread Shot. Flamethrower is new AoE action during Heat Redirection (look below for explanation).
3. Adjustments to Hypercharge. Action renamed to Heat Redirection. Adds X stacks of Heat Blast and Flamethrower (shared stacks). While stacks are active Gauss Round is changed to Heated Gauss Round.
Flamethrower no longer locks you in place. Shorter duration of one attack, similar to Crossbow. Flamethrower is now Multitool action.
I would say for the sake of proper animation flow animations for Heat Blast (aka Heat Dab) and Gauss Round should be adjusted, it looks pretty weird at the moment. I would also suggest removing Gauss Round and replacing it with something else, its a relic of Gauss Barrel which is already gone.
4. Battery Gauge removed. Hot Shot is now DoT (to be discussed). Turret and Automaton are two separate summons with their own cooldown. Summon ability changes to Overdrive while machine is summoned to avoid ability bloat.
5. For the sake of Gunner part of the job Reload should return, even if it has some simple design like "Increased damage for next X actions".
This is everything i wanted to say, i tried to describe it in points so you can easily point out which ideas you like, and which you don't. From my point of view it would really improve how the job feels like and fix lore issues. -
03-09-2020, 04:55 AMSamRF
Imo the job just desperately needs more complexity (and more buttons?). You basically unlock your whole single target rotation at lvl 57 already(!), only addition is a 120s oGCD at lvl 66.
I love the Machinist berserker type flavor with the heat gauge, but everything else beside that is just too simple and easy imo. The skill ceiling seems too low with how much room you have to time your Hypercharge. -
03-09-2020, 08:39 AMKaliseBecause having to arbitrarily maintain a specific level of heat in order to use your filler combo at full strength is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
That said, there's little excuse for not simply having Hypercharge upgrade your filler combo into "Heated" versions with the same 1.0s GCD as Heated Blast.
It's even worse when you consider the background of MCH lore. A military force that takes little training in order to be effective in combat as an alternative to the years of training to become a good Knight.Quote:
2. Heated Actions have way too wild animations. It's really silly that everything we do are sideflips, 360 noscope spins, or 720 backflips. And where are the bullets and gunshots?
Imagine signing up for Machinist training in Ishgard, your first day of ever holding a gun:
Machinist Trainer: "Okay, so I want you to get some practice in. Take this and go do a 1080 triple backflip while hitting the dummy over there with 18 missiles"
New Recruit: "...Uhhh..."
Also, on the topic of jank animations:
Barrel Stabilizer. Consists of you tapping on some holographic screens. Makes your gun overheat.
Try and connect any of those 3 statements with logic.
I'd point out that there probably should be something done about how they function if this is to be the case. Otherwise, you're just giving MCH a double DPS CD once they hit 80 and get their second summon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
You also have to be careful to not link them, otherwise it could end up feeling too similar to SMN and their Bahamut > Phoenix.
While we're here, how is it that MCH doesn't have a dragon shot of some kind? Like, for an art developed in Ishgard, that uses fancy tech and aether manipulation... How do they not shoot someone with a Dragon yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
P.s. If you edit a post, you can go beyond the word limit (I typically write out my entire post then Cut 90% of it and Paste it back in an edit... As I may be somewhat verbose :rolleyes: )Quote:
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03-19-2020, 05:37 AMCetek14
Bumping thread.
Machinist really needs adjustments, not in 6.0, as soon as possible. -
03-19-2020, 09:01 AMFannahCertainly because it was the case before and people complained MCH was too complicated, and MCH was not popular. Whatever can be said, they made MCH more popular in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
Doesn't affect the gameplay, and it's all about personnal taste, some people will think it's too much, some will think it's really cool and change from more traditional moves other jobs can have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
Talking about gameplay or logic ? We could also ask how the machinist lost magically the ability to do a "Grenado Shot" for Stormblood extension. "Heat Blast" also is related to Hypercharge. I wish Spread Shot could become Autocrossbow during Hypercharge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
We have the battery box to explain whatever magic we can use like Flamethrower. It uses ethereal energy, like everything in this FF world.
I believe you're wrong on this one, it could not be a cooldown while keeping the same advantage, because the purpose is to adjust your use of it with your team buffs (whatever it's with 50 to 100 power). Everything was made to be easy : No more random cooldown, no more Heat to manage and no more Ammunitions to manage anymore, no more complicated combo with Rapid Fire Hypercharge Wildfire, no more cast time (from HW), no more need to be perfect like a 1min clock. It's even not as punishing as it used to be (but still is) to not manage your Skill Speed stat. Now you can just stack Heat and Battery and use them only when your allies use their dmg buffs to automatically use them at the right moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
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03-19-2020, 09:04 AMPayotz
Regarding the animations, personally I'm fine with it. I'd want more "high-tech" like visuals because it is a machinist after all, not a gunner. Besides, if you search around the forums, there are a bunch of threads that MCH was really boring visual wise. I'd say that the over the top animations did well in making MCH "not boring" visual wise.
There's really no point to this change at all. If potencies still remain the same, people will just use Heat Blast since that reduces GR and Ricochet CDs.Quote:
Because having to arbitrarily maintain a specific level of heat in order to use your filler combo at full strength is stupid.
That said, there's little excuse for not simply having Hypercharge upgrade your filler combo into "Heated" versions with the same 1.0s GCD as Heated Blast.
If potencies are buffed for the heated combos, HeatBlast as a skill will become redundant, and be useless.
The only way you could justify having both Heated and Non-Heated shots is if Overheat MCH (which I don't really mind; I loved 60 second rot MCH) and Old Wildfire comes back, and for Heatblast to go back to Cooldown.
Oh god. If you're talking about old turret targetting, then no. That was hell to weave.Quote:
4. Turret and Automaton are two separate summons with their own cooldown. Summon ability changes to Overdrive while machine is summoned to avoid ability bloat.
If you're talking about current turret summoning, then sure? But you're essentially leaving a large part of MCH's damage to two inconsistent things.
And with how SE handles pet AI, I would rather deal with only one AI.
Why would you buff GR but no Rico? I honestly think Crossbow is fine as a Hypercharge action, and Flamethrower just needs a synergy update with Bio Blaster and Heat Gauge.Quote:
Adjustments to Hypercharge. Action renamed to Heat Redirection. Adds X stacks of Heat Blast and Flamethrower (shared stacks). While stacks are active Gauss Round is changed to Heated Gauss Round.
Flamethrower no longer locks you in place. Shorter duration of one attack, similar to Crossbow. Flamethrower is now Multitool action.
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Honestly though, current MCH isn't something that needs a complete overhaul (looking at you MNK).
What it needs is just a bunch of adjustments to gameplay aspects. Here are my thoughts:
> Bioblaster will apply [Toxic Substance] to enemies hit by it.
> Flamethrower will add 5 to the heat gauge every second. Enemies that have [Toxic Substance] will be inflicted with [Burning], refreshing Bio Blaster duration and inflicting a second separate DoT to the enemies.
> Autocrossbow will reduce Ricochet and Gauss Round cooldown, just like HeatBlast.
Essentially, this will change MCH's AoE rotation to two phases and will probably reduce Carpal Tunnel for the players as well.
A Flamethrower "Rest Mode" and the hypercharge crossbow, Rico GR spam.
Spreadshot will be there just in case you die and need to rebuild Heat Gauge.
> Automaton Queen will ignore all collisions.
> Automaton Queen Roller Dash will instantly refresh its cooldown when MCH switches target.
> Automaton Queen Roller Dash will cast the instant MCH changes target.
> Automaton Queen will receive a buff every 1.5 seconds that will increase the next Arm Punch's potency by 150.
> Automaton Queen will change its target to the MCH's current target without fail, every single time.
This will hopefully fix Queen's janky AI. Of course if SE manages to actually fix Queen AI to be consistent, especially during two target fights, then they wouldn't need to do anything else.
>Wildfire duration changes to 11 seconds.
I keep hearing about Drill and AA being delayed and not being counted in wildfire because it only counts damage until 9.2 seconds currently. So this change will hopefully keep that consistent.
[Some good to haves but will probably be too broken and everyone will hate it]
> Arm punch give the target a phys damage down, similar to old Hypercharge.
> Wildfire will boost GR and Rico damage by 10%
> Hypercharge will grant 5 stacks of HeatBlast or AutoCrossbow. On the last stack, the last GCD will Crit Direct Hit.
> Dismantle added back.
> Refresh added back
> Drill giving a 5% phys vuln up that lasts 10 seconds. -
03-19-2020, 09:35 AMFannahWell, it's actually not the case already x) It's not because it's called "Heated" that it's related to Heat Gauge (yes it used to and that's why its name). But it's already a combo on its own now. You actually should make a "Lore rework" part and a "Gameplay rework part", it's actually confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
Crossbow should replace Spread Shot only during Hypercharge, imo. That would be cooler, it feels like it adds another button but nothing new mechanicaly wise (spam of a conic attack 12y 12y in front of you).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
Gauss Round had nothing to do (gameplay-wise) with Gauss Barrel. It was just an instant oGCD skill to deal dmg. Having to use it during Gauss Barrel is not really relevant. We could call it "Quick Shot" if you want and keep it the way it is. That would change nothing. It would be more logical for newcomers, and it's a fun fact for older machinist players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
No for the reason I explained before. Changing them to cooldown type skill would lower their flexibility of use to adapt to allies buffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
I liked the Reload/Ammunitions too. But once more, Machinist was clearly unpopular (and I loved them from day 1 during HW, but we were a few to enjoy them). It's one of the mechanic to manage they decided to remove to simplify the job so more people give it a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
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03-19-2020, 10:15 AMGulaI disagree and like it as is. Feels good and I like charring waves of mobs with my flamethrower. It's a magic gun, just like how bards fight with magic arrow harps. Final Fantasy is at its core, a fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
Difficulty should be in the content, not the job itself. I like its simplicity and accessibility. -
03-19-2020, 11:25 AMKaliseTo be fair, the combo wasn't really that complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fannah
It was a specific sequence of buttons used in the same way every time things were off CD. I actually just made a macro that did the entire combo with a single button press.
Also, interestingly enough, the full "Complicated" combo wasn't actually that much higher damage than simply spamming Heat Blast throughout the Hypercharge duration (You'd just have to weave Gauss/Rico and Reloads in there)
You misunderstand. I mean, there's little reason to have Heat Blast as a button when the 123 combo skills could have simply gone from normal versions to "Heated" versions with similar effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Payotz
To be fair, it wasn't really the Reload mechanic in of itself that caused issues for most players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fannah
Typically it was the fact that your 123 combo was RNG based unless you used ammo for them, which then also meant that ammo was used ONLY for combo skills as guaranteeing the higher damage shots was worth more than simply getting the baseline potency added to any skill.
Which was another issue with the ammo system, in that all it did was add a bit of potency onto attacks... It would have been far more interesting if it would have altered skills in more exciting ways, similar to how WAR now gets Chaotic Cyclone/Inner Chaos from their Nascent Chaos.
While I can understand the notion about MCH being boring, since it kind of was before the Heated skills (Though, Clean Shot was always nifty, to jump up and shoot, in the rare circumstances you got to actually use it, which for me was only when Reload was off CD... Darn RNG...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Payotz
There's quite a bit that could have been done before resorting to conjuring up giant bullets out of nowhere and whatever Heated Clean Shot is supposed to be. (Also, it still irks me that SE don't know how bullets work... Both for MCH's Heated Slug Shot and also the recent cutscene with Gaius where he empties the chambers of his gunblade and rounds fall out that still have the bullets in the casings...)
Stuff like particle effects coming out of the barrel, particle effects from bullets striking the target, using 2 hands to hold the gun etc.
You know, the kind of things they do to make BRD visually interesting despite it also shooting projectiles at targets. -
03-19-2020, 03:52 PMMerlinCrossI would kill for a Mini Dragon Killer Turret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
That's fine and all but did we have to really lose our Ammo animations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Payotz
I scoured the guns to find out which ones had animations to go with the reloads and used those. Now? Meh.
Also I dislike the animations we got because it really feels more like "Look at this call back Oooooooooooooooooh" more than trying to make MCH stand on it's own. Like trying to fix Monk by giving it moves based of Sabin, ignore the issues or if it's good or bad, just look it's Sabin Animations. Or giving Ninja Shadow/Yuffie animations. Or Gunbreaker Squall/Leon.... oh wait. -
03-19-2020, 05:57 PMDuskane
MCH lost all the cool animations like Grenade shot and the magic debuff had neat animation too
but i dont think the job is in any major need of a rework (range dps do need a bit of a touch up) but hopefully the job gets way more to do next expansion because damn it is bare bones right now -
03-19-2020, 06:11 PMShurrikhanI thought the art was formed to shoot dragons, not... shoot dragons?... Hmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
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03-20-2020, 03:22 AMCetek14
I still think that main combo animations are a big flaw. Not the only one, as i described above, but i still can't understand why so many people defend it. "It's fantasy" is not an explanation. Machinists already exist in the lore, and Machinist job is not related to them at all. Again, where are the bullets and gunshots? Why we only flip around while shooting heat and summoning things?
Also people say that it's good to have one job with wild animations. Ok, but these animations don't suit Machinist. We simply need new job dedicated to that with fitting lore, and bring back soul to the Machinist. And also fix all other problems, because again, satisfying animations won't fix weird rotation.
I'm not attacking people who like that, because i understand why some people like it, but it doesn't work with Machinist at all. -
03-20-2020, 03:30 AMKabooaWhat if it was a ballistae that killed dragons by shooting dragons at dragons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
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03-20-2020, 04:06 AMdinnertimeYou know that Machinist shoots with what is basically magic, right? They don't even use actual bullets. Do you ever wonder what that bulky thing on your waist is for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
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03-20-2020, 06:46 AMMerlinCrossThe bulky thing that seems to lose more animation interactions each expansion?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
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03-20-2020, 08:03 AMKaliseYes. Since, technically, it's main purpose is to draw in ambient aether and convert it into bullets directly inside your gun. So you can shoot non-stop, without needing to carry around millions of bullets to load in manually.Quote:
Originally Posted by MerlinCross
Hey, don't you know the saying? Fight Dragonfire with Dragonfire!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
Also, the Azure Dragoon uses dragon power to fight dragons. That's literally their schtick. -
03-20-2020, 09:50 AMShurrikhanYes, but isn't that merely due to the futility they'd otherwise face in using a melee weapon on an enemy flying dozens of feet above them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
They're trading limited ranged for nearly unlimited range by, effectively, flying.
A MCH, by comparison, would be trading a mechanical gun-fired projectile for a self-propelled non-mechanical 'projectile' that simply cannot be fired from a gun and sees no benefit from being "fired" at all (a... dragon... something from the toolkits of XI DRGs and maybe Beastmasters). -
03-20-2020, 10:13 AMKaliseNot really. All Dragoons are able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
That's not specific to the Azure Dragoon(s). Azure Dragoons get increased power from Dragon based enhancements and aetherial dragons (For example, Geirskogul/Nastrond)
Who says they have to not fire it from a gun? Especially when aethereal manipulation is allowing them to conjure rockets and missiles out of thin air or shoot out bullets that explode into balls of lightning.Quote:
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03-20-2020, 12:43 PMShurrikhanAnd all Dragoons are native-born Ishgardians, all of whom are able to exhibit traits of dragonkin if the allow themselves. We don't see random spearmen just saying, "What's 200 ft? I'll just jump and then stab it. Easy."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
Ahhhhh. Okay, I get it now, sorry. Yup. Sounds good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
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03-21-2020, 12:49 AMRenkei
What's interesting about them lumping Dragoons and Machinists together is the historical Significance of the Spanish Tercio Formation, in the early 15th Century.
They don't have to shoot out of their gun as proven with this expansion.
Hey us dragoons jump and then we get tired for 60 seconds. -
03-21-2020, 08:07 AMCetek14Then we might as well move it into magical ranged category and release properly made machine themed job.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
I know that in lore they use aether to create bullets, but in the end NPCs shoot these bullets, and it would be nice to do the same, not flip around while magically summon objects with our gun. At this point it's a magical rod, not a gun. This is why some people want Gunner as next physical ranged job, since Machinist currently doesn't fill that niche. -
03-21-2020, 09:26 AMVendalwindI feel you personally. There are a number of classes that have struggled with identity fantasy, but it is hard to make everyone happy. I would love a full gunner/engineer class that was all tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
This discrepency is common. Thus you have the people asking for a thief class, cause rogue->ninja strayed entirely from that and most of our new skills past 30 have been magic based. Its also an issue with bloodbath being weaker for us cause it doesnt work with magic attacks but wrong thread for that discussion.
Then theres the summoners who for a time felt too much like poison mages.
And the bards that would like some actual music magic instead of being snipers.
And the rdm who feel slighted by the exceptionally small amount of time they actively spend fencing
Its unfortunately an ongoing problem, but tbf square enix cant make a class for every single players ideal fantasy. -
03-21-2020, 10:05 AMGulaThere is a quote from Minfilia that basically amounts to "can't please everyone" and the whole crux of the Sultana's struggle with helping the poor without pissing off the rich. There will always be something to upset someone else and trying to find a satisfactory medium is the best they can do. And while I may not agree with everything the devs do, I know thousands of other people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendalwind
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03-22-2020, 05:37 AMCetek14Thats true, but MCH is peak of bad design. Its simply not related to ishgardian Machinists at all. And devs kinda pretend they do. We even have title "Shot heard across worlds" even though at lvl 80 there is not a single action where we shoot our gun (the closest one would be Gauss Round, but its still not how real Machinists usually use their gun).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendalwind
4.x was a disaster gameplaywise, but at least it was more lorewise accurate than now.
If devs have no idea what to do, i think connecting good parts of each iteration could lead us to something good. -
03-22-2020, 09:32 AMMaeka
My thoughts about MCH, as I've been leveling it lately, and just freshly got Level 76 with it the other day:
1). The animations I actually very much enjoy. I'm an ex-WoW player and having my character stand there performing the same 1-2 animations and barely moving is boring. 4.x MCH was boring animation-wise. Animation quality in FFXIV is one of the things that makes combat look and feel cool. Please don't take my backflips and things away from me, I love them. As far as "new recruits expected to backflip" um... no? Because you don't do those backflips and such until you're in the high 50s, early 60s. The non-heated versions of these abilities have you using the older animations. They start out basic with you just standing and shooting and then they progressively get more fancy as you get more skilled with a gun.
2). They merely re-used icons and names of skills as far as the Heated moves go. They could perhaps rename the heated versions of the skills, maybe like Trick Slug Shot or something I dunno.
Now onto things that actually matter:
The only beef I have with the class, is the annoyingly small window when you overheat your gun and you have to dump as many Gauss Rounds (I think that's the name of it?) or Auto Crossbows as you can during this time. It's a very small window and it's very heavily dependent upon input lag, and network lag, especially with Gauss Rounds, and before you get that trait that lets you hold 3 charges of those other two skills that Gauss Rounds helps complete faster, it's very annoying to have to weave those two in-between spamming the two oGCD attacks and being half a second off can hurt your DPS and half a second is easily within what lag can do to you or needing to stop and run out of an AoE or something.
Second, I would argue I would remove the 'stand still' requirement for Flamethrower, again, it stinks to have to move because of an AoE right after starting to use Flamethrower and it seems lots of trash packs have AoEs nowadays and it's hard to actually time a Flamethrower cast and get the whole thing out without having to move).
And last, I can't really say I'm a fan of Wildfire, either. Seems like every time I go to use Wildfire, something stupid happens like an AoE I have to get out of, a gaze attack that forces me to stop doing DPS, etc. Then Wildfire goes from doing decent damage down to doing almost nothing because SE expects you to have 10 uninterrupted seconds to line up all of your best DPS skills before using Wildfire and it just seems annoying to make that happen.
All-in-all, I think the class is 1000x better than it was in 4.x but yet there's still annoying little things with it that would prevent me from using it in any max-level content. It's fun to levelup and tick it off the list of things to do in the game but once it's 80 I doubt I will use it much because of how annoying the above three issues (mainly #1 and #3) are to work around.
SE needs to remember that people do get lag now and then and that the game wants you to dodge things every 3 seconds in some fights.
MCH and NIN make me roll my eyes when WoW players whine about the combat being "Too Slow" in FFXIV, because they know nothing about late-game and they see early-game when most jobs only have 1-2 abilities to use, lol.
EDIT: (2020 and we still have the worst forum restrictions I've ever seen on the internet, that everybody circumvents anyhow) -
03-22-2020, 09:47 AMdinnertimeExcept practically every job uses magic. The only difference is with the rest of the job and magical ranged is they don't use it as often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cetek14
I think you're missing the point of what Machinist is supposed to be. You're assuming it's a gunner, when it is more than that. Why are you exactly so bothered with it magically summoning "objects"? Machinist has always been about using different gadgets to fight with.
This is like thinking Paladin is just a swordsman, or Dragoon is just a lancer. -
03-22-2020, 09:56 AMMaekaYeah, the job is called "Machinist". You carry a gun, but that doesn't mean a gun is the only thing a machinist uses. You use various magitek-like machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
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03-25-2020, 06:52 PMRocciaSolida
My biggest gripe with MCH? ShB Wildfire, it’s an absolutely unsatisfying skill: it cannot crit nor direct hit, it’s on a 2 minute cooldown, DEALING THE SAME DAMAGE OF AN AVERAGE DRILL OR SLIGHTLY MORE (drill being a 20 second cooldown GCD) and ping-dependant, get an unfortunate ping spike during WF? Enjoy your 5 GCD WF. It also contributes so little to your overall DPS (if you don’t believe me just look up some records of top machinists on THAT website) that messing it up or missing a GCD for bad ping actually impacts your performance almost 0%, adding more fuel to the “irrelevant skill” argument.
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03-25-2020, 09:23 PMMyon88It's really a shame what happened to wildfire (and the ranged in general but that's another story). Back in HW it was one of the hardest hitting skills in the game at that time. People geeked out over their wildfire numbers all the time like people talk about their midare crits now. That's what happens when you have potency creep over the years, and some skills don't keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocciaSolida
What happened back then was many players complained that too much of machinist damage was tied to wildfire, and it was stressful because if you messed up it hurt your dps really badly. In order to appease those players and make the job more accessible they shifted more of its damage to the 'easy' parts of its rotation and cut down wildfire, to the detriment of the veteran machinist players. -
03-26-2020, 06:31 AMCKNovelYep, that skill had a satisfying role but too much impact on MCH DPS on top of rng being too impactful.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocciaSolida
Now it's an additionnal button with no satisfaction and little impact on MCH DPS.
Honestly they could halve its cooldown for more presence.
The heat gauge, in my opinion, is still a mess. High skillspeed is fun but not when it comes to spamming the same button. -
03-26-2020, 07:26 AMKaliseTo be fair, I've always wondered why they don't just bundle it in with Hypercharge. Given the way Wildfire works, you always want to use it with Hypercharge to get the most GCD's off in its duration.Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
Honestly, I also wonder why they don't simply make Wildfire into Hypercharge, so it boosts your damage (And/or fire rate) for the duration, then you eject your now overheated magazine and throw it at the enemy for the explosion. For not only a thematic approach, but also to consolidate the 2 burst CD's that typically get used together.
Not to mention how it also makes the actual SkS stat really bad for MCH, meaning you're only allowed shorter GCD's during Hypercharge and nowhere else...Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
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04-04-2020, 11:27 PMLimonia
I like the MCH heated shots animations, and also the others.
I also think MCH is much more fun than in SB. There are still some things that could be changed. Like maybe make Auto Crossbow an oGCD and make Flamethrower be the AoE during Hypercharge, and make is use a tool instead of just coming out of your weapon.
I don't like that the rook turret just gets replaced at 80, queen should have been extra. And bishop not removed completely. And didn't we have a 2nd AoE move back in HW? They could have brought that back and made AoE a combo (also, I liked the Dismantle animation).
I definitely don't miss Reload or having to manually place the turrets constantly. Or reapplying Gauss Barrel all the time. -
10-25-2020, 12:34 PMJirah
Agreed time to be petty