[Request] Can we please see a permadeath game mode added?

I think it'd be pretty cool if a special game mode was added where enemies deal more damage and if a character is killed, they're dead permanently. This wouldn't be wise to implement on anybody's main character, but for alt characters I think it'd work very well - and the community could come together to try and complete as much content as possible without letting their character perish.

There could even be a leader-board to tally achievement points earned on the applicable character, inducing an element of friendly competition.

It'd make for a cool main feature for a future content patch, I think.

This would be a really good way to boost sales on mogstation boosts. This could be a really good way to help fund the game!

Pssst. Just wait until the end of the NieR raid sequence.

Theo who hurt you recently? :(

I'd support this under the following caveats:

-First, an on/off toggle. When you turn on the toggle, you will have to confirm TWICE that you are aware that once this character dies, it's perma killed

-Second, perma death does not work in any instances, even undersized options and whatnot.

-Lastly, as an expansion to what Theo mentioned about leaderboards, it must be fully fleshed out in the form of its own content. It can have a map dedicated to see how long a character can last, maybe even do some sort of survival challenge where you can find gear and level it and the whoooole shebang.


So yeah, for once, I'm calling out your eccentric idea Theo and turning it on it's head. Either it comes truly and whole-fully fleshed out or it's just not worth anyone's time, whatsoever.

Then you can get rid of all pvp in the game because that's only way to win in it. Good luck with getting in any instances because queue times would be hours long and may never pop. Wait there is better way just delete your character and start over.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Theo who hurt you recently? :(

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Nobody! I'm perfectly intact, luckily!

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I'd support this under the following caveats:

-First, an on/off toggle. When you turn on the toggle, you will have to confirm TWICE that you are aware that once this character dies, it's perma killed

-Second, perma death does not work in any instances, even undersized options and whatnot.

-Lastly, as an expansion to what Theo mentioned about leaderboards, it must be fully fleshed out in the form of its own content. It can have a map dedicated to see how long a character can last, maybe even do some sort of survival challenge where you can find gear and level it and the whoooole shebang.


So yeah, for once, I'm calling out your eccentric idea Theo and turning it on it's head. Either it comes truly and whole-fully fleshed out or it's just not worth anyone's time, whatsoever.

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Yeah, a toggle would make sense. I'm sure the development team could flesh out the idea further and put their own twist on it all.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Then you can get rid of all pvp in the game because that's only way to win in it. Good luck with getting in any instances because queue times would be hours long and may never pop. Wait there is better way just delete your character and start over.

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I think a decent amount of people would partake, challenge runs are fairly popular in a number of games.

I mean, maybe if combat were actually entertaining at the earlier levels, especially given how much this condition would devalue risk-taking...

Until then, I don't see why it'd be fun even as a challenge run, since it wouldn't be "challenging" so much as just in need of a steady connection and a premade team to avoid the risk of incompetents.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I mean, maybe if combat were actually entertaining at the earlier levels, especially given how much this condition would devalue risk-taking...

Until then, I don't see why it'd be fun even as a challenge run, since it wouldn't be "challenging" so much as just in need of a steady connection and a premade team to avoid the risk of incompetents.

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The fun is in the adrenaline. Like when you play as Hunk in Resident Evil 2 and have to rush through a gauntlet of enemies and survive.

In this case, other players would be either a blessing or a curse. Adding a neat random element to it all!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The fun is in the adrenaline. Like when you play as Hunk in Resident Evil 2 and have to rush through a gauntlet of enemies and survive.

In this case, other players would be either a blessing or a curse. Adding a neat random element to it all!

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Adrenaline requires risk. Permadeath doesn't actually necessitate risk, however, unless one has an unstable connection or goes into very particular fights while teamed with people who can PK you or while the whole party is undergeared. It just means playing at a less intense pace as not to be killed by something stupid. The risk mitigation would rarely be a part of combat so much as a limitation on which content is worth doing.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Adrenaline requires risk. Permadeath doesn't actually necessitate risk, however, unless one has an unstable connection or goes into very particular fights while teamed with people who can PK you or while the whole party is undergeared. It just means playing at a less intense pace as not to be killed by something stupid. The risk mitigation would rarely be a part of combat so much as a limitation on which content is worth doing.

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There would be risk, though. I stated in my post that for the game mode damage would be increased to make combat more of a threat across the board. Like in POTD/HOH it should be AoE's that are avoidable that deal a significant amount of damage, though auto-attack damage should be increased by a reasonable amount too.

I mean, it's not my thing, but whatever floats one's boat I guess.

I guess this is why FFXI had exp LOSS on death as a near enough equivelant penalty to permadeath so that death was not quite so cheap but still wasn't a huge kick in the gut if you were unlucky.

Unfortunately though, it just made it annoying (even FFXI doesn't have EXP loss anymore for under level 50 and the amount you now lose is so much less than it used to be). And permadeath might provide an added element of challenge, but personally I think it's too much, especially with a casual-orientated game like FFXIV is.

I like the idea, but I can't imagine losing a character because of reason: lag. ;__;
To make it fair would mean to not have processes happen server-side, but in an mmo eh it's sort of inherent.

I kind've like the idea since it reminds me of an old mmo I had originally started in. You created an "ultimate" character, and if you died without some form of protection or didn't get a raise within the next 3 minutes after death, that character was deleted. The benefits were that you obtained skills for the class you played that others don't have and you gained bonus stat points per level. This of course made the game very pay to win if you pvp'd and kept up your protections and whatnot. On the other side of this though.... I'd enjoy a system where if you made an ultimate character that is deleted when death occurs... You could treat it similarly to how PoTD is treated. Where you level and do content as far as you can. The more content you do, the higher your points, and of course that would put at risk doing content like hunt marks or world bosses.

Idk, I can't see much in terms of how you could make it beneficial but I would definitely enjoy an option just for the sake of genuinely having to care about your character and not wanting to die. I like the concept but I can't imagine the implementation.... And this may be the sadist in me, but we don't have any form of "duel" function in game so, I can't kill your character :C

Doesn't that make the Main Story unplayble because it basically contradicts the whole Warrior of Light scenario? To be honest, FFXIV's approach to why we don't "really die" is one of the better in video game history.

Also, Tani Shirai is right. The risk will most likely turn players into sitting ducks as they dare less to do more dangerous things.

why do we discuss things that never gonna happen?

If your last legacy character dies your account should lose legacy status too ;)

Ah, Ironman Mode.

Not my cup of tea, especially when it's possible to get ganked by factors wholly out of your control. But i suppose there are people who enjoy that sort of thing.

Have it be an option you can choose at character creation.

Much like Fire Emblem, I'll stick to Filthy Casual mode.

My man, you have so much free time, and most of it spent in these forums from what I can sense.

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

My man, you have so much free time, and most of it spent in these forums from what I can sense.

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Luckily it takes less than a minute to compose a post in the vast majority of cases. Which can also be done from either the comfort of one's home, the daily commute or even when out for a hike. It's also a great way to pass the time when waiting for a roulette queue to pop!

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but why not just simply delete one's character after they die as opposed to adding an in-game feature to facilitate what we already have the ability to do with little additional effort?

Just saying.

PotD and Baldesion Arsenal/Eureka are enough for me.

Alliance Raid Nuzlocke Edition. Every time someone dies, they immediately get booted from the party and can't re-queue until that run is over.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Alliance Raid Nuzlocke Edition. Every time someone dies, they immediately get booted from the party and can't re-queue until that run is over.

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Imagine how intense Thunder God would be in Orbonne Monastery? ;)

Delet this, people will take it seriously.

Oh this thread. Yikes.
Also, post count is just a number. No need to bump that amount up with senseless threads.

Only if they also rebalance all content for solo play. There's enough bad players in dungeons and raids and I wouldn't want to die because of someone else's mistake.

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Oh this thread. Yikes.
Also, post count is just a number. No need to bump that amount up with senseless threads.

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I don't care about my post count. I care about the community and wish to see it granted the features it deserves.

Either we allow it on main characters too or we don't get it at all. This is the sort of mode you have to go all in for it to really mean anything.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I don't care about my post count. I care about the community and wish to see it granted the features it deserves.

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Features we deserve according to who? Also like, you proved my point, not even 5 minutes after my post there was already a reply from you. You have way too much time to think on these features the community "deserves".

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

Also like, you proved my point, not even 5 minutes after my post there was already a reply from you. You have way too much time to think on these features the community "deserves".

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Yeah, and two minutes ago as of the time of this post you made a statement on your Twitter account ranting about this very forum. So I think it's pretty clear you're not willing to engage in a good faith debate!

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Alliance Raid Nuzlocke Edition. Every time someone dies, they immediately get booted from the party and can't re-queue until that run is over.

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Ok I think Perma-death is a dumb idea in games.
But somehow, I actually like this one. Because it would mean people would need to actually be trying and paying attention in a raid.
At the same time...is there a safety net or some leeway for those that get Disconnected? Because as great as this sounds, it can also go against you.

there is content with permadeath. its called BA though there is a way to res it is extremely limited. its either 70% chance to res or a spell that kills you to res another. i can assure you if you missed it was hellah fun. it wasnt extreme difficulty but every ability oneshotted so you had to be extra carefull . the peak ofc being the final boss ozma an extreme version of it which you could wipe 52 peeps for one mistake. can try to get into it but it requires a discord server and a whole lot of luck. also you need to get through eureka.

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Yeah, and two minutes ago as of the time of this post you made a statement on your Twitter account ranting about this very forum. So I think it's pretty clear you're not willing to engage in a good faith debate!

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I guess I have a new fan! Don't forget to drop a follow :) I'll leave you now to your fantasies o/

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I guess I have a new fan! Don't forget to drop a follow :) I'll leave you now to your fantasies o/

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Sorry, you're not my type and I'm already spoken for. As I told you when you messaged me back when we were both on Balmung. ;)

I played a game with something like this I think. Maybe Diablo 3? I might be wrong, it's been a while since I've played whatever game it was.

Something like what you describe might be kind of fun depending on how it was implemented, though as multiple people have mentioned losing a character due to lag would be horrible. Just imagining being on a permadeath character and suddenly noticing that no one besides me is casting or moving gives me chills lol.

I agree that the chances of seeing this added to ffxiv are slim, but it's a cool idea!

That sounds like a fun duty finder setting!

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I guess this is why FFXI had exp LOSS on death as a near enough equivelant penalty to permadeath so that death was not quite so cheap but still wasn't a huge kick in the gut if you were unlucky.

Unfortunately though, it just made it annoying (even FFXI doesn't have EXP loss anymore for under level 50 and the amount you now lose is so much less than it used to be). And permadeath might provide an added element of challenge, but personally I think it's too much, especially with a casual-orientated game like FFXIV is.

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Somehow in the 12yrs I played that game, I leveled down only once. I can't say that for an old friend I had though. He helped a WHM out with AF in Fei'Yin and leveled down 4 times from 75. This also reminds me of the Raise III era and it costing 3-4mil, so much that many WHMs refused to buy it nor help with the BCNM you get it from. Forgot what SE did to take care of that though..