New Letter from the Producer LIVE Part LVI

Friday, December 13, 2019 at 8:30 p.m. (PST)

How many of you have your Torches and Pitchforks ready that its Japanese Only Audio Again?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

How many of you have your Torches and Pitchforks ready that its Japanese Only Audio Again?

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It's a shame, but I can't claim to be surprised. I bet a bunch of context will get lost in unofficial translations.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Friday, December 13, 2019 at 8:30 p.m. (PST)

How many of you have your Torches and Pitchforks ready that its Japanese Only Audio Again?

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A Japanese game created by a Japanese company dares to have a presentation in Japanese?! There is a full translation going on in a twitch channel if you want it.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

There is a full translation going on in a twitch channel if you want it.

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I usually don't catch that, but Reddit it pretty decent when it comes to translating on the fly. Either way I'll have to wait till tomorrow to catch up on the latest news.

Aight, you all can be an angry mob. I'll just be here, collecting my earnings from my contracted pitchfork vendors.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

A Japanese game created by a Japanese company dares to have a presentation in Japanese?! There is a full translation going on in a twitch channel if you want it.

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You should have said this in a previous thread. You were apparently a bad person for taking SE's side and not ostracizing SE for doing Japanese Audio during "Japanese Game Show"
It was a fun thread

So...only one dungeon per patch as of 5.2 and beyond.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

A Japanese An international game (whose international player base is larger in number than its Japanese player base) game created by a Japanese company dares to have a presentation in Japanese?! There is a full translation going on in a twitch channel if you want it.

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I fixed your post for you. ;):p

On a more serious note, I can understand why people get upset the live letters are not translated. It creates the impression one player base is preferred over the other as they get all information about the game delivered in a language they can understand at the time it’s announced. This is certainly not great customer service on SE’s end, and when customers feel they are not being treated fairly by a business they complain.

However, I also see the business end. Great customer service comes at a cost and there would certainly be costs to SE for providing live translations for more Live Letter. Businesses weigh costs versus reward. Are they going to lose customers because they don’t provide these translations? I don’t think so. Are they going to gain customers by providing more live translations? Also very unlikely. Therefore, there isn’t really a good business reason to provide this service, and businesses, especially big publicly traded companies, don’t tend to do anything there isn’t a good business reason to do.

So while it would be nice if everyone got the same level of service, I wouldn’t expect SE to change its current practices. It also doesn’t help any chance for change that a certain portion of the international player base is fine with the status quo.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

So...only one dungeon per patch as of 5.2 and beyond.

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More content, that may either be successful or be dead on arrival, and less dungeons! 2 expansions out and we'll be settling for dungeons only being given during odd number main patches.

Anyone understand what they're saying well enough to hear if the Borzja Citadel thing is an actual Relic weapon, or just Eureka 2.0?

I'm not looking forward the ranking aspect of the restoration as everything seems to suggest it's going to just be a straight brainless grind of spamming collectables which entirely favors people using bots as I feared. The "expert" recipes actually further encourage their usage as bots can adjust for the quality changes whereas a macro can't.

Only one dungeon per patch also means we're likely not getting hard modes from any SB dungeons, which is a bit disappointing since I liked getting a new twist on familiar places.

Everything else sounds good, though.

this was quite a good live letter, got more information than I was expecting with some surprises like the high sea fishing and crafter and gatherer relic gear. 5.2 shaping up to be quite a patch.

I took some notes.

Patch 5.18 arrives on 12/24.
This is the usual end-of-tier nerf patch which removes the weekly restriction on Savage loot and allows you to buy the weapon upgrades outside of Savage by using a Yohra coin.

Patch 5.2 title is Echoes of a Fallen Star. Coming mid-February.

• Sidequest: The Sorrow of Werlyt
• Trial: The Ruby Weapon
• Trial 2: ???
• Dungeon: Anamnesis Anyder
• Beast Tribe: Qitari (Qiqirn, DoL)
• Raid: Eden's Verse (includes Ramuh remix)
• Bozja Weapons: The new 'relics'
• Skysteel Tools: DoH/DoL get upgradeable quest tools too
• Diadem: DoL content, no battles, don't need fuel tanks
• Fishing: Ride a ship out to join new Ocean Fishing challenge
• MSQ and Ishgardian Restoration continue

System Changes

• Equipment is no longer destroyed when converting spiritbond into materia.
• Can meld materia without specific class reqs, only need to lv one DoH class to meld on all types of gear.
• YOU WILL NO LONGER NEED A DOH PARTY FOR FC PROJECTS, can finally complete building projects solo.

mogmog57 does live translation on twitch

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Originally Posted by KaitoAsaha

More content, that may either be successful or be dead on arrival, and less dungeons! 2 expansions out and we'll be settling for dungeons only being given during odd number main patches.

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I might be misunderstanding but the notes said "Moving forward one dungeon will be added with every patch" not just odd number patches.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

I might be misunderstanding but the notes said "Moving forward one dungeon will be added with every patch" not just odd number patches.

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I think they're saying that's probably is what's going to happen in the future.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

I took some notes.

Patch 5.18 arrives on 12/24.
This is the usual end-of-tier nerf patch which removes the weekly restriction on Savage loot and allows you to buy the weapon upgrades outside of Savage by using a Yohra coin.

Patch 5.2 title is Echoes of a Fallen Star. Coming mid-February.

• Sidequest: The Sorrow of Werlyt
• Trial: The Ruby Weapon
• Trial 2: ???
• Dungeon: Anamnesis Anyder
• Beast Tribe: Qitari (Qiqirn, DoL)
• Raid: Eden's Verse (includes Ramuh remix)
• Bozja Weapons: The new 'relics'
• Skysteel Tools: DoH/DoL get upgradeable quest tools too
• Diadem: DoL content, no battles, don't need fuel tanks
• Fishing: Ride a ship out to join new Ocean Fishing challenge
• MSQ and Ishgardian Restoration continue

System Changes

• Equipment is no longer destroyed when converting spiritbond into materia.
• Can meld materia without specific class reqs, only need to lv one DoH class to meld on all types of gear.
• YOU WILL NO LONGER NEED A DOH PARTY FOR FC PROJECTS, can finally complete building projects solo.

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Thanks for this.

Not thrilled about the savage change. Still means you need to do it to get the i460 wep but that's just a personal gripe of mine.

That very last one is good for smaller FCs who don't have more than 3 active crafters/players with craft classes unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

Anyone understand what they're saying well enough to hear if the Borzja Citadel thing is an actual Relic weapon, or just Eureka 2.0?

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Bozja is a smouldering crater where a city used to be.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

Thanks for this.

Not thrilled about the savage change. Still means you need to do it to get the i460 wep but that's just a personal gripe of mine.

That very last one is good for smaller FCs who don't have more than 3 active crafters/players with craft classes unlocked.

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what? Did they change how savage work? I totally missed the live letter as I have work in the morning. D:

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

[*]YOU WILL NO LONGER NEED A DOH PARTY FOR FC PROJECTS, can finally complete building projects solo.[/LIST]

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Best patch in the world. Finally I dont have to force my friends to stand around while I built the stuff that I had gathered all by myself..

So am I the only one thinking that I'm really happy that the patch is coming out mid Feb so I don't have to worry about which game to play when the 7 remake comes out?

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Originally Posted by Rannie

So am I the only one thinking that I'm really happy that the patch is coming out mid Feb so I don't have to worry about which game to play when the 7 remake comes out?

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I'm sure this was internally planned at SE as a lot of FFXIV players would have an interest in FFVII remake. Launching them on top of each other would be stupid. This gives us around ½-month for 5.2 and then when content is on farm FFVII will release.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

• Equipment is no longer destroyed when converting spiritbond into materia.
• Can meld materia without specific class reqs, only need to lv one DoH class to meld on all types of gear.

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Oh great, another crafting-related nerf. Why don't they just put the final nail in the coffin already and remove crafting from the game entirely?

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm not looking forward the ranking aspect of the restoration as everything seems to suggest it's going to just be a straight brainless grind of spamming collectables which entirely favors people using bots as I feared.

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Without a doubt. Only way to prevent bots from compromising rankings is with a cap on trade-ins while involving heavy RNG during the craft, but then why even have rankings? It won't only be open to abuse by bots, but friends and family that are fine with sharing accounts.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Oh great, another crafting-related nerf. Why don't they just put the final nail in the coffin already and remove crafting from the game entirely?

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Are you worried that they are planning to roll all crafting jobs into one big do-it-all job?

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Oh great, another crafting-related nerf. Why don't they just put the final nail in the coffin already and remove crafting from the game entirely?

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They are probably going to make materia melding 100% guaranteed, and have data center cross visit. Which means markets will be the same across all data centers. Not even messing around. I think it’ll happen.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

what? Did they change how savage work? I totally missed the live letter as I have work in the morning. D:

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No, just the standard thing as outlined.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

They are probably going to make materia melding 100% guaranteed, and have data center cross visit. Which means markets will be the same across all data centers. Not even messing around. I think it’ll happen.

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I very seriously doubt that on the materia lol. I could maybe see them giving crafters some kind of melding buff eventually in the same spirit as desyth buffs, but I doubt they'll take away the rng variable of burning materia on overmelds away entirely.

As to the market and data centers... also highly doubtful. The entire reason they re-purposed the data centers was to help balance load issues and deal with login problems. They're not going to undo all of that by allowing folks to jump across data centers as well. And the markets will be fine. Only the truly dedicated seem to actually go bargain hunting across the data center for the most part. Otherwise there's been a little bit of market adjustment, but I haven't seen a great deal of change to Jenova's market in general.

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Originally Posted by HakaseNyan

mogmog57 does live translation on twitch

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I wish OP edited this into their message, because this person is a blessing. No need to constantly swap between reddit and the stream, it was right there on stream.

And people don't seem to get that unless they have a script, a strict one, subs up to standard for their company will not be available. Like reactions to the chat or someone saying something out of left field. And translating a 14 hour stream with Ami would turn it into a 16 hour stream, not to mention how stilted it would become having her going between the like 10 people in the room when the core team said hello.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

So am I the only one thinking that I'm really happy that the patch is coming out mid Feb so I don't have to worry about which game to play when the 7 remake comes out?

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During E3, Yoshi P acknowledged VII and knows people will want to enjoy it. It's certainly intentional.

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Originally Posted by Nandrolone

They are probably going to make materia melding 100% guaranteed, and have data center cross visit. Which means markets will be the same across all data centers. Not even messing around. I think it’ll happen.

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The melding process is perhaps the only thing that puts me off on crafting endgame stuff as a whole. I'd love some mercy system at least, for say like the third socket having10 fails guarantees a success on the 11th, the fourth slot being 20 fails, and the fifth being 30.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

A Japanese game created by a Japanese company dares to have a presentation in Japanese?! There is a full translation going on in a twitch channel if you want it.

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When a very large fraction of their paying player base doesn't speak Japanese, they should provide subtitles or some other means of translation. They're not a poor indie game company, they can provide translation. In fact, during one of the Japanese notes, we had those two translators basically voice over in English on the English twitch account (which is maybe what you're referring to?). Pretty sure they didn't do that last time which was the issue. Hopefully they do it again this time.


Whether it's voice over or subtitles, here's hoping we're not left in the shadows. /wiggles brows

I don't mind that they dont translate everything in these Live Letters, but they should keep the discussion behind each thing to a minimum until the slides are done. I've had multiple times they start to chat about something not on the slide and it ends up to be interesting,only for me to find it out later by someone else.

Anyway, pretty excited about some of these changes, especially the fc party requirement removal. Not entirely convinced that the Ranking system WON'T be abused by bots/people with all the time in the world or another to play while they are busy, but we will see.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

When a very large fraction of their paying player base doesn't speak Japanese, they should provide subtitles or some other means of translation. They're not a poor indie game company, they can provide translation. In fact, during one of the Japanese notes, we had those two translators basically voice over in English on the English twitch account (which is maybe what you're referring to?). Pretty sure they didn't do that last time which was the issue. Hopefully they do it again this time.


Whether it's voice over or subtitles, here's hoping we're not left in the shadows. /wiggles brows

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I'm just gonna quote myself, it's easier.

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And people don't seem to get that unless they have a script, a strict one, subs up to standard for their company will not be available. Like reactions to the chat or someone saying something out of left field. And translating a 14 hour stream with Ami would turn it into a 16 hour stream, not to mention how stilted it would become having her going between the like 10 people in the room when the core team said hello

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Originally Posted by KaitoAsaha

The melding process is perhaps the only thing that puts me off on crafting endgame stuff as a whole. I'd love some mercy system at least, for say like the third socket having10 fails guarantees a success on the 11th, the fourth slot being 20 fails, and the fifth being 30.

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Would love a trait that increases chance by 2% after every failure. At least you know the more you fail, the better your chances.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

A Japanese game created by a Japanese company dares to have a presentation in Japanese?!

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This "argument" again? Remember the Volkswagen emission scandal? Who needs it in English? It's a German company that produces German cars and helds their presentations in German. Affected U.S. customers can get some random translation somewhere else, and if details are gone, whatever....

I am "mad" because I am actually interested in it.

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Originally Posted by Katalyn

I fixed your post for you. ;):p

On a more serious note, I can understand why people get upset the live letters are not translated. It creates the impression one player base is preferred over the other as they get all information about the game delivered in a language they can understand at the time it’s announced. This is certainly not great customer service on SE’s end, and when customers feel they are not being treated fairly by a business they complain.

However, I also see the business end. Great customer service comes at a cost and there would certainly be costs to SE for providing live translations for more Live Letter. Businesses weigh costs versus reward. Are they going to lose customers because they don’t provide these translations? I don’t think so. Are they going to gain customers by providing more live translations? Also very unlikely. Therefore, there isn’t really a good business reason to provide this service, and businesses, especially big publicly traded companies, don’t tend to do anything there isn’t a good business reason to do.

So while it would be nice if everyone got the same level of service, I wouldn’t expect SE to change its current practices. It also doesn’t help any chance for change that a certain portion of the international player base is fine with the status quo.

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Classic Western American attitude.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

Classic Western American attitude.

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I can't really see that in the post you quoted. They simply agree with the sentiment about not having an English translation but they can also see it from SE's point of view and completely understand. But you know, let's just label them American like it's a bad thing because it's the "cool" thing to do.

Also on the one dungeon per patch thing, hope they put more effort into the dungeon itself/trials/everything else to compasate.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Also on the one dungeon per patch thing, hope they put more effort into the dungeon itself/trials/everything else to compasate.

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I'd prefer quality over quantity any day of the week.