Design a Dwarf. New contest idea for SE, please do this again.

So I was doing the Copied Factory and it dawned on me, what do Anogg and Konogg look like under the beard? Then I thought, wouldn't it be interesting if SE did another design a character contest, were we design an NPCs appearance for a quest. I know they did this way back when in like ARR/HW, but I feel they could bring it back for these two.

What do you guys think?

I'm just making a guess here, but I'm thinking these two look like lalafells. I know it's a stretch, it's just a hunch, but anyone's guess could be true.

Really? I thought Lalas were wearing masks to hide their subhuman troglodyte faces. Are you implying they are actually people?

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Originally Posted by EmoPanther

Really? I thought Lalas were wearing masks to hide their subhuman troglodyte faces. Are you implying they are actually people?

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According to Emet-Selch they are not.

All joking aside, got any actual feedback to the idea?

They don't need designing. Their appearances are already set - they're just normal Lalafell NPCs wearing the same dwarf helmet that players can equip.

Anogg

Konogg

They're rather distinct already.

I doubt SE would run a contest for designing such major characters. It's very different to minor background NPCs, which is the only contest I'm aware of them running.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

They don't need designing. Their appearances are already set - they're just normal Lalafell NPCs wearing the same dwarf helmet that players can equip.

Anogg

Konogg

They're rather distinct already.

I doubt SE would run a contest for designing such major characters. It's very different to minor background NPCs, which is the only contest I'm aware of them running.

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Well, while that info is appreciated, and welcomed, it's all conjecture. The player base doesn't know what they look like, at least officially, since you shared their models now. And we know they'd need a model to place the gear on, head piece included. But that's not the main purpose of this thread.

The main thing was along the lines, "what do you think they look like?" Or imagine they look like and, maybe SE might re-impliment that design contest from way back when.

While these characters are important NPCs, they aren't "major" characters. They are very similar to Mikoto from the Ivalician raid series, as the dev's said they were gonna do something "unique" but made her in character Creation, and even gave us her settings. And Mikoto is a legacy character from 9, Anogg and Konogg are completely original, so them getting a fan treatment would make more sense.

The main reason I suggested this is because, at the end of the raid series, it's suspected we'd see their faces. It would be an interesting little node to the fans if they got to select their appearance. And besides we know they can alter the models freely, so while they have bases, changing them is no issue.

Also about Garland Tools, possible spoiler about a Dwarf though

I forgot this was a thing, so thanks for the reminder. But when I was looking at the other Dwarves, specifically Giott, it list them as male. This might be because of the bait and switch of the quest line, but it does show that there are exceptions. Additionally, the dig site chief and watch have the same models as Giott, so some models might just be placeholders.

More like I wonder what female dwarves look like when they have beards like the males do.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

More like I wonder what female dwarves look like when they have beards like the males do.

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The beard is just a part of the helmet, the females look like Lamitt/Lamimi the Devout of Darkness

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Originally Posted by Iscah

They don't need designing. Their appearances are already set - they're just normal Lalafell NPCs wearing the same dwarf helmet that players can equip.

Anogg

Konogg

They're rather distinct already..

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This implies that their helmets are going to come off at some point during the Nier series.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Anogg and Konogg are completely original, so them getting a fan treatment would make more sense.

The main reason I suggested this is because, at the end of the raid series, it's suspected we'd see their faces. It would be an interesting little node to the fans if they got to select their appearance. And besides we know they can alter the models freely, so while they have bases, changing them is no issue.

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I don't see how anything about them makes them special enough to let fans design what they look like. "They're original characters" applies to prettymuch everyone in the game.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Also about Garland Tools, possible spoiler about a Dwarf though

I forgot this was a thing, so thanks for the reminder. But when I was looking at the other Dwarves, specifically Giott, it list them as male. This might be because of the bait and switch of the quest line, but it does show that there are exceptions. Additionally, the dig site chief and watch have the same models as Giott, so some models might just be placeholders.

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I think Giott is definitely intended to be female, but using a male model so her emotes aren't an early giveaway to anyone who can recognise them. The journal starts referring to her with female pronouns as soon as her face is revealed.

On "placeholders", Anogg and Konogg have already been switched out from early placeholder appearances. I'm quite sure I remember looking them up and they had different hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't see how anything about them makes them special enough to let fans design what they look like. "They're original characters" applies to prettymuch everyone in the game.

I think Giott is definitely intended to be female, but using a male model so her emotes aren't an early giveaway to anyone who can recognise them. The journal starts referring to her with female pronouns as soon as her face is revealed.

On "placeholders", Anogg and Konogg have already been switched out from early placeholder appearances. I'm quite sure I remember looking them up and they had different hairstyles.

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That's the thing though, they aren't that special, that's why I suggested it. As a fun way of involving the community.

As for them having "placeholders" prior, the average player wouldn't know that. But it does support the theory that we will see their faces in the future.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

That's the thing though, they aren't that special, that's why I suggested it. As a fun way of involving the community.

As for them having "placeholders" prior, the average player wouldn't know that. But it does support the theory that we will see their faces in the future.

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There's just no precedence for "involving the community" in the design of core characters.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last contest was for the minor adventurer NPCs that appeared for all of five seconds after the Steps of Faith trial. They were not characters as such; they were extras.

Deciding what an existing character 'really' looks like simply doesn't seem like the sort of thing that should be put up to popular vote.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

That's the thing though, they aren't that special, that's why I suggested it. As a fun way of involving the community.

As for them having "placeholders" prior, the average player wouldn't know that. But it does support the theory that we will see their faces in the future.

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They are Lalafells, nothing more, nothing special, end of story, it is even stated in game that they are simple Lalafelsl under the helmets and beards. I suggest you do the healer role questline.

You only give yourself falsl hopes for something unneeded and not even mandatory, its a sidequest, a sidequest with a crossover which proabably never going to appear again after its over, unlike Crystal Tower or Hildibrand.

They wanted tha crossover and somehow had to connect it to this world and choosen the dwarves, which are lame on tis own like the other races, just change the anem and the world is SO different sure.

My point is that they are a plotdevice that works aslong they are needed, afterwards, dropped and forgotten, end of story.

For the love of the Twelve forget it. It's clear it was a fruitless endeavor to try and suggest community involvement for fun.

God forbid anyone respond with, "I picture them looking like Tataru, since they are that mischievous" or "yeah it would be interesting to do that contest again" nope it's all just "they look like lalafells" well of course they look like lalafells; and here I thought we finally got Roe children, -_-