Let's talk real about the viera and hrothgar

So we are a couple patches into the expansion and viera/hrothgar is nice and all, but i'm wondering are we ever gonna get some new hairstyles or at least fix the all the helmet issues?

Also while we're on the subject can we please get an update to the fantasia system, allowing people to change their characters in game without changing race and finally just make them only needed for race changing.

It just feels bad to be a viera or hrothgar when the other races get a new hairstyle from content thats supposed to be enjoyed by all like the restoration but then not get a new hairstyle similar or even at the same time as the rest, not to mention that unlike the other races viera and hrothgar have such a small number of hairstyles.

Please show the viera/hrothgar some love SE. :(

Hasn't this question been already been asked way too many times?

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Originally Posted by Magnedeus

Hasn't this question been already been asked way too many times?

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I really don't think It has been asked enough. Not until we have some sort of clear answers from the developers.
It seemed reasonable to assume we'd get something by 5.1. But now that's come and gone and no real information.

Am I (as a Viera) to expect that I'll never be able to use the hairs I got on the mogstation? That I earn in-game? Is that just something I'll never have access to while playing a Viera?
They've never answered that. I'd sure like to know though.
They've said both we'd get access to old hairs, and in another instance said we'd only get new unique hairs. Either way, when can I expect to see them?

So we have to keep asking, until we get real answers.

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Originally Posted by Mei-Yisi

I really don't think It has been asked enough. Not until we have some sort of clear answers from the developers.
It seemed reasonable to assume we'd get something by 5.1. But now that's come and gone and no real information.

Am I (as a Viera) to expect that I'll never be able to use the hairs I got on the mogstation? That I earn in-game? Is that just something I'll never have access to while playing a Viera?
They've never answered that. I'd sure like to know though.
They've said both we'd get access to old hairs, and in another instance said we'd only get new unique hairs. Either way, when can I expect to see them?

So we have to keep asking, until we get real answers.

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Then ask in the big megathread, VS many small threads. They go by popularity of a topic, not number of threads created.

Shouldn't you redirect that to the OP?

I gave them a chance and they never did fix the helmet problems or add hair styles we paid for and earned so switched back and never plan to switch to new limited race ever again. SE needs to quit with there limited content.

"Let's talk real".... as if the other several threads on the same subject were being fake somehow?

All that duplicate threads achieve (besides clogging up the forum) is making everyone repeat the same arguments they already made yesterday. And two days ago. And last week.

This forum feels more like a treadwheel sometimes.

Can't help but blame the stretched resources for this. Adding two limited races was always going to be an issue, particularly when one of those races breaks the mold facial features setting wise. As i see it (i'm probably wrong), they don't want to add to one (Viera) if they can't add to both (Viera/ Hrothgar). What we get then are limited races, limited jobs, limited features. Mog station hair and earned aesthetician items, should be priority. Given the fact Hrothgar can't even change hairstyles atm however, even that's going to be an issue...

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Originally Posted by Iscah

"Let's talk real".... as if the other several threads on the same subject were being fake somehow?

All that duplicate threads achieve (besides clogging up the forum) is making everyone repeat the same arguments they already made yesterday. And two days ago. And last week.

This forum feels more like a treadwheel sometimes.

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Yeah, even I, who posts in like every single one of them, am tired of this. I kind of want to find some quote of mine to reply to this rather than retype something I already posted like 15 times. It's real bad when even I don't want to respond to a viera thread..

Well, at least this one, because there are already like 20 pages of a thread about like this exact same issue. Except this one is real talk, and that one isn't (I guess).

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I really want female Hrothgar. That said I don't expect them to fully flesh out what they have now until 6.0 or the final patch of this expansion let alone work on anything else.

This thread again?.....lol.

We are only in Patch 5.1. So we are barley into the Expansion cycle.
Think we should actually wait till we get further in the Expansion before people start making 50 threads talking like Square & Yoshi arn't working on these things.

Sorry, couldn't really find these megathreads that you guys are talking about, just saw one other one talking about the new hairstyle, and you make it seem like viera and hrothgar weren't one of the big selling points of the expansion, which they advertised it like crazy along with becoming a warrior of darkness, so it would be safe to assume that being something that they pushed so hard, they would at least keep up with updating or fixing the problems with it. Not saying they should pour all their time into these races because i actually love switching to the other races every once in a while and see quite a bit of problems with the other races like elezen females for example, but just like blue mage it makes it feel like it was rushed and either shouldn't have been added or should at least be on par with everyone else, but right now viera/hrothgar are not even on par, they are below par

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Originally Posted by KaimaSansun

Sorry, couldn't really find these megathreads that you guys are talking about, just saw one other one talking about the new hairstyle, and you make it seem like viera and hrothgar weren't one of the big selling points of the expansion, which they advertised it like crazy along with becoming a warrior of darkness, so it would be safe to assume that being something that they pushed so hard, they would at least keep up with updating or fixing the problems with it. Not saying they should pour all their time into these races because i actually love switching to the other races every once in a while and see quite a bit of problems with the other races like elezen females for example, but just like blue mage it makes it feel like it was rushed and either shouldn't have been added or should at least be on par with everyone else, but right now viera/hrothgar are not even on par, they are below par

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You really are out of the loop aren't you.... Well, there aren't really megathreads, just several threads over the course of the past few months where we have had this exact conversation several times. A lot of it was in the male viera thread as well... I'd love to get into the down and dirty of viera/hrothgar, and my disappointment in SE, but that's just unneeded stress... not really in a bad enough mood right now either to start complaining like I usually do.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This thread again?.....lol.

We are only in Patch 5.1. So we are barley into the Expansion cycle.
Think we should actually wait till we get further in the Expansion before people start making 50 threads talking like Square & Yoshi arn't working on these things.

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We're also six months post-Shadowbringers release without so much as an update on the status of Viera/Hrothgar hair and headgear. It shouldn't come as surprise that people are rightfully upset.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

We're also six months post-Shadowbringers release without so much as an update on the status of Viera/Hrothgar hair and headgear. It shouldn't come as surprise that people are rightfully upset.

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Ok, people are impatient and want news sooner rather then later...sure I get it.
But again, we are barley into the expansion. We should wait for another MAJOR patch. So like 5.2 - 5.3 - 5.4 - 5.5 - so on etc.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Ok, people are impatient and want news sooner rather then later...sure I get it.
But again, we are barley into the expansion. We should wait for another MAJOR patch. So like 5.2 - 5.3 - 5.4 - 5.5 - so on etc.

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Yeah, let's just wait another half a year for WORD on what they are cooking up with viera! I bet it will be nothing. That's how it always is with SE. You are acting like all these patches are coming soon, they are not. These are long periods of time with no updates, or word, preview, whatever, of what they are working on with viera. These are trash races to SE, and they will always be trash races to SE. Gimmick. They do not care about the large amount of viera players who have held on for nearly half a year hoping that their new race would get ONE thing added just to see every other race BUT theirs get an update. On something as simple as a hair.

They took the time to adapt it for every single race but viera, but screw viera right? And especially screw hrothgar, you had better buy a fantasia! Give us more money for a half baked product! Thank you very much! You want to use that new hair, you had better switch to cat girl or some other race! Give me more fantasia bucks baby! This wasn't even what we intended but our lazyness has really shined through, and made us some profit! Cut corners during development, let's just blame it on "design decisions" and "limitations!"

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Ok, people are impatient and want news sooner rather then later...sure I get it.
But again, we are barley into the expansion. We should wait for another MAJOR patch. So like 5.2 - 5.3 - 5.4 - 5.5 - so on etc.

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Six months is incredibly patient, especially when we're dealing with a company that brings in millions, but okay.

Sure I'll be real.

The lack of RDM hat to be worn is annoying, and it was enough to make one of my friends switch back XD

However, I gotta think logically here, as a former rabbit owner (miss my little friends..), it is REALLY hard to put a hat on when your ears are half a foot long(15 cm). Viera though have even LONGER ears, so without any holes for them to poke through, the situation of yalls' immersion being broken is gonna come up.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Six months is incredibly patient, especially when we're dealing with a company that brings in millions, but okay.

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Yeah, I waited as long as I could. I waited until a few weeks after the release of the new hairstyle (which Hrothgar and Viera can't use) to see if squeenix was gonna make a comment on it or not, but the silence spoke volumes, so I went back to Au Ra.

I get that it might take a while to implement the old hairstyles, but to not even bother with the new one when it was designed and released? Yeah, nah, that didn't sit well with me, and doesn't bode well for the future. Heck, there isn't even a warning on the item saying *cannot be used for Viera and Hrothgar.
Like, someone could have used it, only to find it didn't work.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

Sure I'll be real.

The lack of RDM hat to be worn is annoying, and it was enough to make one of my friends switch back XD

However, I gotta think logically here, as a former rabbit owner (miss my little friends..), it is REALLY hard to put a hat on when your ears are half a foot long(15 cm). Viera though have even LONGER ears, so without any holes for them to poke through, the situation of yalls' immersion being broken is gonna come up.

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My immersion is pretty badly broken by my hair stylist's inability to cut my hair shorter or give me a slightly different ponytail, and by the sudden magical invisibility of most of my hats.

Some hats and hairs are gonna look bad with the ears, I get it. Same's true for Miqo'te ears and Au Ra horns frankly. I'd at least like... Y'know, the option. To exist. :/

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

We're also six months post-Shadowbringers release without so much as an update on the status of Viera/Hrothgar hair and headgear. It shouldn't come as surprise that people are rightfully upset.

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We also don't have any info about the relic quests for this expansion, which IMO is more important than our lack of hairstyles and headgear (though those are things that need to be dealt with when they can). I'm personally giving it until 5.3 before I light the torch and grab a pitchfork.

So uh... Not sure where people getting that we are six months into ShB since the expac officially launched on July 2nd which would make the 6th month marker Jan 2nd, and even if you count EA that would still be end of December. That all said I can get that it is a bit annoying with no official word on the hairstyles. In regards to the helmets I'm about 80% sure it was advertised in the Live Letter that they would have limited Helmet options period ((Not oh we'll go back and add them at a later date, that was in regards to things like glasses, flowers, and such that wasn't supposed to be in either at launch that they worked overtime to get done)), so I doubt you will ever see full head helms and other hats actually added for them due to that in itself. If I am wrong though, then it would be nice for Viera and Hrothgar players to get an update on that as well.

Honest mistake; I thought it was June, not July. Either way, we're pushing close to six months, and that's still a big issue.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm personally giving it until 5.3 before I light the torch and grab a pitchfork.

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Thats more patient then some people on content

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Thats more patient then some people on content

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It's really not that important of a thing, merely a visual thing. It doesn't impact gameplay directly in any way, shape, or form. Plus they DID cut it down to the wire in releasing both races to begin with, I'm okay with giving them more time.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It's really not that important of a thing, merely a visual thing. It doesn't impact gameplay directly in any way, shape, or form. Plus they DID cut it down to the wire in releasing both races to begin with, I'm okay with giving them more time.

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The Hrothgar and Viera Hair, Helms and Gender Situation, yeah its all purely cosmetic and isn't that important. But I am sure they are working on it, I chose to believe they haven't spoken on it because they have nothing to show for it yet, and wanna be careful not to set up false expectations. During the Hrothgar and Viera reveal time, someone asked if other genders would be announced, and they said "Stay tuned" That stuff there I know hurts them, because the wording lead people to believe it was happening. And when it didn't....-Looks back at the big Viera thread-
So its better for them to be silent then to say Anything. Because Not matter what they say, it will lead to more Disarray in the community.

Say Yes, then they will be held to it. And if it doesn't happen for any reason: believable or not. Chaos.
Say No, then it may cause people to leave and boycott the game. Creating issues beyond the game itself. -Looks back at the big Viera thread-

They should at least label on the aesthetics items that the hairstyles won't work on Hrothgar and Viera, surely it doesn't take that long to include a little bit of text.

Newer players might end up buying these, only to find that they have wasted their irl money/scrips/wolf marks/MGP or gil.

I'm at the point they shouldn't have even implemented them at this point tbh lol.

ppl wanna tell ppl to be patient when lol, the new stuff they added, they still can't wear.
I'm still sad about the krile thing and you can't even wear the new hair.

I get it was a stretch to add the daggum things but why can't you keep up with the patches at least and let them new wear stuff? that's what I find ridiculous. you're getting nothing in exchange when the other races get stuff. it ain't fair. the silent treatment is getting really irritating.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I'm at the point they shouldn't have even implemented them at this point tbh lol.

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Nah, I think they (Or at least Hrothgar) are a welcome change of Scenery. Its about time we got a playable Beast Race. I am VERY happy for their existence.
I do think they could have just updated the Lupin though. Might have saved them alot of work.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

ppl wanna tell ppl to be patient.

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Be patient. All you can do. XD

I feel like Viera and Hrothgar are even more half-baked than when we first realized they were each only going to have one gender available. The lack of hairstyles, the lack of helms, the face issues, the rigging troubles with equipment...

I appreciate that we have the races for those that really want to play them, but I can't help but feel that they are at an extreme disadvantage compared to the other races. I have no interest in playing either race as long as they have such disadvantages. For those that are suffering through, I hope you receive the same benefits the rest of us play with sooner rather than later.

I just think that honestly before adding anything else to the other races, they should focus on fixing the two that are without question not done and rushed.

Also for the record i think they should have just gone with hrothgar to begin with and finished it as a whole since thats what yoshi p wanted in the first place and then if they decided to add viera later in a few expansions, i'm 100% sure people would have been fine with it.

I honestly just don't want it to become like some of the other side stuff since 2.0, that has been forgotten or thrown to the side for a newer systems because they couldn't be bothered.

I mean, they teased Viera a little by showing concept art of them back in heavensward. They probably should have just worked on them gradually since that point, instead of that weird mad rush with both Viera and Hrothgar before SHB came out.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

For those that are suffering through, I hope you receive the same benefits the rest of us play with sooner rather than later.

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We will be fine. My Hrothgar Alt will get new stuff in the future and will get new custom options in time. For now, I just love that there is finally a playable beast race..

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Originally Posted by KaimaSansun

i think they should have just gone with hrothgar to begin with and finished it as a whole since thats what yoshi p wanted in the first place and then if they decided to add viera later in a few expansions, i'm 100% sure people would have been fine with it.

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I don't remember YoshiP saying anything about wanting to do the Hrothgar "In the first place"
They planned to do Viera first way back in HW, but decided to do something new instead: the Au-Ra. Them doing Viera and the New(ish) Hrothgar at the same time was because this might be their last chance to make new races for FFXIV, plus they BOTH were in demand. (Well not the Hrothgar Specifically, but a beast race) So they pushed both, but for now they only had time for 1 gender.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

I mean, they teased Viera a little by showing concept art of them back in heavensward. They probably should have just worked on them gradually since that point, instead of that weird mad rush with both Viera and Hrothgar before SHB came out.

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That would imply that they planned to make Viera. And if they did, we would have gotten them sooner rather then 2 expansions later. Would make more sense to make them Now. Rather Then gradually work on it for....IDK...6 years?

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Originally Posted by KaimaSansun

So we are a couple patches into the expansion and viera/hrothgar is nice and all, but i'm wondering are we ever gonna get some new hairstyles

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Yes, they have said several times that Viera and Hrothgar would get getting new hairs (And Hrothgar new faces) at some point. But don't expect them to come as fast as other races.

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or at least fix the all the helmet issues?

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... no, they have been very clear that Viera and Hrothgar are NOT gonna get all the head gear. What works on them right now shows a clear theme and thought process they go by. Main thought seems to be "can it work on both without looking completely stupid or like a hot clippy mess?". So yeah, new PVP mask and visors work ... but no heal hat. That kinda thing.

Wouldn't it be cool if SE was the kind of company that made a unique variant of newly created headgear for their unique races? Me neither. SE is too small of a company, we mustn't expect too much from them.

I would be more than content if they just gave us more than two hairstyles per face option by giving all the possible Hrothgar hair options to all the faces. It really shouldn't be that hard to do given there's only 8 hairstyles for them right now and 4 face types to put them on.