I expect zero problems ever again flying somewhere, no giant reanimated golems, no avoiding flying enemies. Just jump in our jet powered wing suit and off we go. No ships, just jet suits, teleport issues? Jet suit.
Thanks SE.
So now that jet wing suits are canon.
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10-18-2019, 09:24 PMMistyregionsSo now that jet wing suits are canon.
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10-18-2019, 09:25 PMVidera
You're making a lot of assumptions here.
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10-18-2019, 09:37 PMMistyregionsI mean she flew off in a wing-jet-gundam- suit. Its canon and the technology is available. If its available then it would literally be dumb not to use it.Quote:
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10-18-2019, 09:46 PMVideraYou're assuming that this technology is available in the confines of Hydaelyn. It most likely is not.Quote:
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10-18-2019, 10:56 PMMistyregionsI'm confused how is it not available? Its physically in the world. What's stopping us from usuing it? Some plot armor and convenience? Why include it?Quote:
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10-18-2019, 11:05 PMDerio
I mean its canon. Look at alexander. I just want one as a mount.
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10-18-2019, 11:24 PMFawkesI'm not sure what in your mind makes it different from the magitek sky armor mount we already have, or why you think it would have to be some OP thing that ignores plot but mounts like Twintania or Fenrir or Midgardsormr don't deserve a topic.Quote:
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10-19-2019, 12:26 AMTheMightyMollusk
Some goblins in Alexander used jetpacks to jump into battle. We also have magitek sky armors and other flying machines. Lore-wise, this could just be another iteration of existing technology. Of course, we don't actually know how it fits into the lore until it's playable, so.
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10-19-2019, 01:16 AMMelichoir
So the Wing suit is a problem cause "Technology?" Am I understanding this right?
Cause if so, are we having collective amnesia here and forgetting AZYS LLA is a thing? Or the whole point that the Allagan Empire was a hyper advanced civilization which technology that enslaves gods and turned them into batteries. -
10-19-2019, 01:20 AMMistakeNotWhy would this jet suit you are talking about change anything? Flying stuff has been canon since day one of the game, so in what way would this be different from what already exists?Quote:
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10-19-2019, 02:27 AMMistyregions
I guess I'm trying to convey a f22 raptor is far superior to a blimp, all the airships in the game are literally not fighter jet style planes and fighter planes style jets would make things very trivial. The whole cool part about fighting garleans is we didnt have that technology, the reason we had to build a giant mountain golem is because airships were to slow. Now we have f22 Raptors. They should add in laser guns and nuclear bombs next, why not an Abrams.
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10-19-2019, 02:34 AMHalivelCould be spoilers maybe so the spoiler.Quote:
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Uhm… we had to build a giant mountain golem more because any airship would be nothing in army of sin eaters, while gigantic rock was simply our shield (not to mention that almost destroyed The First probably doesn't even have same kind of airships as Garleans do), but okay. -
10-19-2019, 03:08 AMThirdKeyOfSun
I could have sworn the flight suits in NieR required a software/sync authorization to even use so it's not like we could fly them anyway.
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10-19-2019, 03:44 AMCrushnight
Even if we got it (i think the pod is more likely looking at footage and everyone would be riding down with one) , it would be bound by same laws other mounts are can't fly until aether currents done, can't use in cites etc etc
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10-19-2019, 03:49 AMPepsi_Plunge
I don't think this will change anything. I mean, we have already flying mounts like the mystical Firebird, Twintania, Ahriman, Midgardsormr or some Magitec-shit and we can still not fly over a simple earth fissure in Thanalan. There was never any real logic behind the "if you collect enough magical farts, then even a Goobbue can fly" mechanic other then nowadays everything can or can't fly only based on said magical farts collection and not on wings or whatever.
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10-19-2019, 04:01 AMVideraSo far it's heavily implied that we take a dip to Nier's crapsack Earth for the cross-over raid. We won't know until the twenty-ninth, obviously, but that's how I'm looking at it.Quote:
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10-19-2019, 04:09 AMTheMightyMolluskThe special site for the raid says it's in the Duergar Mountains on the First.Quote:
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10-19-2019, 05:38 AMVideraI stand corrected.Quote:
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10-20-2019, 07:03 AMSamSmootOf course, the suit will need fuel to fly, which can only be made by alchemists..Quote:
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10-20-2019, 07:15 AMTheMightyMolluskWhy would we need fuel for this mount when we don't need fuel or food for any of our other mounts?Quote:
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10-20-2019, 07:31 AMDyvid
NieR Automata
"The distant future...
Invaders from another world attack without warning, unleashing a new type of threat: weapons known as “machine lifeforms.” In the face of this insurmountable threat, mankind is driven from Earth and takes refuge on the Moon.
The Council of Humanity organizes a resistance of android soldiers in an effort to take back their planet. To break the deadlock, the Resistance deploys a new unit of android infantry: YoRHa .
In the forsaken wasteland below, the war between the machines and the androids rages on. A war that is soon to unveil the long-forgotten truth of this world..."
Sorry but I don't feel like this setting is suited for the Fantasy World of FFXIV. Maybe if this was a Chrono Trigger MMO but it isn't. Thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass. -
10-20-2019, 07:34 AMElazulHP
Can someone explain what the OP is referring too? I've not been following very closely the last couple of months.
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10-20-2019, 07:56 AMDyvidhttps://youtu.be/vhYvvfBY7p4?t=154Quote:
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10-20-2019, 08:40 AMMikkoAkureI'm not sure what you're getting at considering we've visited or seen in cutscenes multiple societies past and present with technology far superior to our own, two of which had computers, robots, flying machines with guns, and cloning. One of those even has USB drives and MADE their own moon. This game was never pure fantasy, not even in 1.0.Quote:
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10-20-2019, 11:22 AMElazulHPThanks. So what is the big deal? Looks like its just a part of the new 24 man. Possibly future mount I assume as well.Quote:
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10-20-2019, 12:46 PMSenorPattyTo top it off, SE does not copy paste 100% scenarios from other games onto this one and calls it a day. They take multiple elements from one, discard some, then retrofit for FF14. How is it that up to this day, people who've been playing these alliance raids for a long time still don't know this is mind boggling.Quote:
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10-20-2019, 01:53 PMGulaYes, the setting made up of a foundation of every FF out there in a theme park mmo. Did you conveniently forget all of Praetorium? You do know there's a bit of the peak of Mt. Gulg that's near identical to Nier Automata, right? Amaurot must have been a real cringe fest for you. Being so out of place from [insert ARR city state here.]Quote:
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10-20-2019, 02:27 PMUnholychinchillaLet's also not forget much of Coil, Aetherochemical Research Facility, Fractal Continuum (twice), Baelsar's Wall, Alexander (also a big part of 5.1), Castrum Abania and the Twinning. All at least as high tech looking, if not more so, than Nier stuff. Plus players running around in the Scaeven/Ironworks sets and three Allagan sets.Quote:
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10-21-2019, 06:36 AMDyvidOk, then can we have the next Raid based on Square Enix's Tomb Raider series? How about Deus Ex or Marvel's Avengers? If no then why not? Where is the line between what is fandom and what actually belongs in a Final Fantasy game?Quote:
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10-21-2019, 07:02 AMlinayWell, we already have guns and jumping puzzles, etc. Throw in a T-rex or two as raid bosses, then sure, we can have a Tomb Raider-based raid.Quote:
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I don't know about Deus Ex, but Marvel stories have so many different universes, they can definitely make a cross over with FFXIV if they're willing to put in the work to flesh out the lore.Quote:
How about Deus Ex or Marvel's Avengers? If no then why not? Where is the line between what is fandom and what actually belongs in a Final Fantasy game?
It's Final Fantasy! I say no limit to your fantasy! What belongs in a Final Fantasy game is whatever the developer decides to put in a Final Fantasy game and make it work with their world. -
10-21-2019, 07:33 AMDyvidWell that fine for you but i'll stick by my position. I have no interest of seeing FFXIV become Ready Player One: the MMO.Quote:
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10-21-2019, 09:24 AMlinayI don't know that reference, but nothing what I said is really any different than what is already in FFXIV.Quote:
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10-21-2019, 09:27 AMDevonEllwood
I'm going to try to explain this as clearly as possible since I have a hard time explaining through text:
If you don't support the content, provide constructive criticism as to why, and don't do the content.
For me, there's a few things and I'm pretty sure other people share the same concerns.
After seeing the trailer, aesthetically it looks fine. I'm surprised actually, there's not really anything that looks out of place. The color pallet looks very Kholusia and the machines really aren't anything we haven't seen before. The main character does look out of place to me, though I don't know where someone wearing a giant doily and high heels would not look out of place.
The other thing is it's a crossover for major content of the game, and that's really disappointing to me. I would not mind a one off permanent thing like the Monster Hunter trial, but the 24 man raids will span the entire expansion. I know Square has been doing crossovers for all their Final Fantasy games since the beginning and it's pretty much what they're known for. This isn't a Final Fantasy game and this could be seen as a slippery slope argument, because it is, but I don't want to see this as a gateway for other things to take up main content of the game.
I love that they're bringing in guest designers but I really want to see what those guests can do and make original content and characters specifically for this game and not just re use things from other titles. The Eden raid is something I'd like to see more of going on even though I think the Eden designs are pretty ugly.
Hopefully I was able to explain my concerns and it's not too horrible to read.