Beard. あごひげ.

Dear Yoshida-desu, please, bring more Beard あごひげ to us! We can see a lot of NPCS using some cool Beards, but us...we only have very very ugly Beards. :(
Don't make the Facial Features linked to the Faces.
Thanks, Domn.

親愛なる吉田です、もっとあごひげを持ってきてください！いくつかのクールなひげを使用して多くのNPCSを見ることができますが、私たちは...非常にいひげしかありません。:(
顔の特徴を顔にリンクさせないでください。
ありがとう、Domn。

agree with you bro, i hope one day they gonna put new hairs and beards

I mean, Roegadyn (Sea Wolf) face 1’s beard is pretty good. But I’d like a longer one.

They've said they're working on trying to model the WOL beard from the Shadowbringers trailer to work on the various races. So hopefully that's one we'll get soon...

The midlander benchmark stubble ...we need it..

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I mean, Roegadyn face 1’s beard is pretty good. But I’d like a longer one.

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Sea Wolf's face 1. That's imo the best Roe face, and Hellsguards don't have it :C

Though what Hellsguard do have is a glorious moustache!

Yoshida-desu ?
Ain’t you suppose to use Yoshida-san or Yoshida-sama ?

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Yoshida-desu ?
Ain’t you suppose to use Yoshida-san or Yoshida-sama ?

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Are you fluent in Japanese or live in Japan?

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Originally Posted by TheForce

Are you fluent in Japanese or live in Japan?

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I live in Japan, and while not fluent I am business level. I have never heard -desu used as a suffix to a name, in the same vein as -san or other widely used honorifics. It just doesn't make sense.

For those interested, here are some lists of most of the honorifics (setsubishi: 接尾詞) used today:

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/敬称#接尾詞型
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_honorifics

Putting that to one side as it doesn't really matter, I say yaaaasss to the suggestion of more beards. Being a bearded fellow in real life I would love to have more facial hair options in game.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

They've said they're working on trying to model the WOL beard from the Shadowbringers trailer to work on the various races. So hopefully that's one we'll get soon...

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Source please?

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Originally Posted by wereotter

They've said they're working on trying to model the WOL beard from the Shadowbringers trailer to work on the various races. So hopefully that's one we'll get soon...

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Are you sure they've said they're modelling it? My understanding (between comments and generally how the character creator works) was that they have to work out if they can program it in at all.

I don't think it's about the model, but whether it's possible to add the choice to the character creator. Nothing has ever been added to the 'additional features' menu that includes beards for characters that have them - and I suspect it's not possible without redesigning the system. It's not like a hairstyle they can add to an ever-growing list of options.

Could female characters have beards too?

Onna no hige kawaii desu! Tantakuru!

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Are you fluent in Japanese or live in Japan?

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Well,Are playing JRPG games, watched countless anime, read tons of manga for 20 years count ?

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Are you fluent in Japanese or live in Japan?

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I understand basic Japanese, and not living in Japan. Still "Name" follow by desu is uaually used by your own for introduction, never heard of how it is used this way.

I CONCUR THIS THREAD!
I say totally yes, we need lumber-sexual characters in the game! :D

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Are you sure they've said they're modelling it? My understanding (between comments and generally how the character creator works) was that they have to work out if they can program it in at all.

I don't think it's about the model, but whether it's possible to add the choice to the character creator. Nothing has ever been added to the 'additional features' menu that includes beards for characters that have them - and I suspect it's not possible without redesigning the system. It's not like a hairstyle they can add to an ever-growing list of options.

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They added a couple of new face paint options during one of the early Halloween events as well as 'fake' eyebrows for Highlander men. It's seemingly possible, they just don't want to do it for some reason. Which is a shame since it's been a common request for quite some time now for male characters to get a few more customisation options custom-tailored to their typical aesthetics.

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They added a couple of new face paint options during one of the early Halloween events as well as 'fake' eyebrows for Highlander men. It's seemingly possible, they just don't want to do it for some reason. Which is a shame since it's been a common request for quite some time now for male characters to get a few more customisation options custom-tailored to their typical aesthetics.

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Face paint has the same selection method as hairstyles - it's a list of options and you can only pick one. (They evidently can and ideally should add more face paints - the current variety is mostly uninteresting and I don't see many people use the options that are currently there.)

Extra features are separate toggles that all turn on and off independently, and they also seem to be designed to either not get in the way of each other.

I don't think they can add more features to the list within the current character template. Every character has five options, even if the actual choices vary. That amount has never changed, and increasing it would probably require altering the amount of data that is stored about each character - and probably every system that has to read or transmit that data.

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Face paint has the same selection method as hairstyles - it's a list of options and you can only pick one. (They evidently can and ideally should add more face paints - the current variety is mostly uninteresting and I don't see many people use the options that are currently there.)

Extra features are separate toggles that all turn on and off independently, and they also seem to be designed to either not get in the way of each other.

I don't think they can add more features to the list within the current character template. Every character has five options, even if the actual choices vary. That amount has never changed, and increasing it would probably require altering the amount of data that is stored about each character - and probably every system that has to read or transmit that data.

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I am one of not many who used face paint on my character and I am absolutely in love with it. That mask is kind of my 'trademark' now and make my character look unique. I've seen couple of people here and there with some face paint, but no one used the whole thing or the style I went for. My previous char had the same one and I am sticking to it until the end!
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/e...jpg?1571141723

I want plenty of beard options for my roe...

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Face paint has the same selection method as hairstyles - it's a list of options and you can only pick one. (They evidently can and ideally should add more face paints - the current variety is mostly uninteresting and I don't see many people use the options that are currently there.)

Extra features are separate toggles that all turn on and off independently, and they also seem to be designed to either not get in the way of each other.

I don't think they can add more features to the list within the current character template. Every character has five options, even if the actual choices vary. That amount has never changed, and increasing it would probably require altering the amount of data that is stored about each character - and probably every system that has to read or transmit that data.

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Sounds like it's time for them to upgrade/re-design, then.

They'll find gamers care little for excuses and more for actual performance.

How they manage it is up to them. Don't, and eventually you may see the game feeling too limited for some to be attracted by it.

Btw, anyone heard anything about Hrothgars finally able to change hairstyles without the need to use fantasia?

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Face paint has the same selection method as hairstyles - it's a list of options and you can only pick one. (They evidently can and ideally should add more face paints - the current variety is mostly uninteresting and I don't see many people use the options that are currently there.)

Extra features are separate toggles that all turn on and off independently, and they also seem to be designed to either not get in the way of each other.

I don't think they can add more features to the list within the current character template. Every character has five options, even if the actual choices vary. That amount has never changed, and increasing it would probably require altering the amount of data that is stored about each character - and probably every system that has to read or transmit that data.

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I already said this to you before but they can probably add beards since ideally it's something that *can't* be toggled/combined with other beards. That way, it can keep the extra features amount about 4/5 turned on maximum.

If they really can't add more than 5 because of how the game works, then a redesign would be great. It's been long overdue for the devs to add more character creation options that aren't hairstyles.

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Well,Are playing JRPG games, watched countless anime, read tons of manga for 20 years count ?

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No.
/10characters

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I am one of not many who used face paint on my character and I am absolutely in love with it. That mask is kind of my 'trademark' now and make my character look unique. I've seen couple of people here and there with some face paint, but no one used the whole thing or the style I went for. My previous char had the same one and I am sticking to it until the end!

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It's great to find a unique character design that works for you!

I think I phrased that bit badly last night though, or didn't think it over enough. There's nothing wrong with the existing ones (and I've used them for several of my characters, although mostly not-actually-paint things like freckles), but the selection is patchy with only a few choices for elaborate designs. It just seems odd that they've shown they can add new ones but haven't continued to do so.

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No.
/10characters

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Ok..um..what’s your point again ?

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Well,Are playing JRPG games, watched countless anime, read tons of manga for 20 years count ?

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Is... is this an ironic weeb post? You can't be serious.
(pls don't be serious)

@Kahnom
My point is don't try to lecture or "advise" people on minor things such as this when you're not 100% sure of it yourself, it's unnecessary, and slightly comes across as egocentric. Especially when the guy/gal just proved their knowledge by constructing a whole message in Japanese.

I'd like to see more men with beards around.

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@Kahnom
My point is don't try to lecture or "advise" people on minor things such as this when you're not 100% sure of it yourself, it's unnecessary, and slightly comes across as egocentric. Especially when the guy/gal just proved their knowledge by constructing a whole message in Japanese.

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While I wouldn't have tried to claim it's equal to being fluent, I would also say that being a long-term fan of Japanese media (particularly if you're watching undubbed anime) would give you enough familiarity to reasonably query someone's use of a honorific that's you've never seen used before. I also thought it sounded strange - and would appreciate an explanation if it is correct usage.

Also, if you have that degree of understanding but can't actually speak/read the language, then you can't know whether the OP really did just "prove their knowledge by constructing a whole message in Japanese" or whether they just pasted their English message into Google Translate and took what came out the other end.

To be clear, I'm not saying the OP did that. Just that I would have no ability to recognise it if they did.

We need more beards especially for midlander hyur males as it is the race of my main since the start and haven't been changed since. I created and worked on alts for glamour and looks since hyur males get screwed on most stuff.

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@Kahnom
My point is don't try to lecture or "advise" people on minor things such as this when you're not 100% sure of it yourself, it's unnecessary, and slightly comes across as egocentric. Especially when the guy/gal just proved their knowledge by constructing a whole message in Japanese.

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While I wouldn't have tried to claim it's equal to being fluent, I would also say that being a long-term fan of Japanese media (particularly if you're watching undubbed anime) would give you enough familiarity to reasonably query someone's use of a honorific that's you've never seen used before. I also thought it sounded strange - and would appreciate an explanation if it is correct usage.

Also, if you have that degree of understanding but can't actually speak/read the language, then you can't know whether the OP really did just "prove their knowledge by constructing a whole message in Japanese" or whether they just pasted their English message into Google Translate and took what came out the other end.

To be clear, I'm not saying the OP did that. Just that I would have no ability to recognise it if they did.

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As people have already mentioned, desu after another person's name doesn't make much sense. I do speak Japanese and have been learning for years now (with a degree in translation as well, although I wouldn't call myself fluent), but I've never heard of such a use before.

I agree that we shouldn't judge somebody if we can't speak the language ourselves, but having been a long-term fan of Japanese media indeed gives you at least some ground to be able to ask a simple question like Kahnom did. It's not like s/he did anything bad. Especially when desu and honorifics are very basic part of the language. I'm sure Kahnom didn't try to be mean or anything like that.

And yes, simply posting something in Japanese doesn't mean you can actually understand it. To prove my point, I posted the original English message into Google Translate and got the exact message OP posted here, although it's mostly correct anyway apart from a few errors.

That said, there's nothing wrong with trying to reach out to Yoshi-P and the team this way, and I do agree that more beard options are always welcome.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Are you sure they've said they're modelling it? My understanding (between comments and generally how the character creator works) was that they have to work out if they can program it in at all.

I don't think it's about the model, but whether it's possible to add the choice to the character creator. Nothing has ever been added to the 'additional features' menu that includes beards for characters that have them - and I suspect it's not possible without redesigning the system. It's not like a hairstyle they can add to an ever-growing list of options.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

They've said they're working on trying to model the WOL beard from the Shadowbringers trailer to work on the various races. So hopefully that's one we'll get soon...

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Soooo there this pic on the 5.1 promo page under screenshots
Kinda hard to see here but I do see a stubble - tho I'm confused what haurchefant has to do with anything and if it's just 2 npcs at the end... ?_?

https://i.imgur.com/Jegc3uy.jpg

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Soooo there this pic on the 5.1 promo page under screenshots
Kinda hard to see here but I do see a stubble - tho I'm confused what haurchefant has to do with anything and if it's just 2 npcs at the end... ?_?

https://i.imgur.com/Jegc3uy.jpg

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New Game + I guess. Was there a scene with Haurchefant at Sea of Cloud? I can't remember, it's been a long while.

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New Game + I guess. Was there a scene with Haurchefant at Sea of Cloud? I can't remember, it's been a long while.

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It's also confusing to me, bc this is ShB WoL, so I can't imagine it's NG+..or maybe it is and we get that armor AND that stubble :D

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New Game + I guess. Was there a scene with Haurchefant at Sea of Cloud? I can't remember, it's been a long while.

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It's also confusing to me, bc this is ShB WoL, so I can't imagine it's NG+..or maybe it is and we get that armor AND that stubble :D

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It was a promotional image for NG+ I think, hence the ShB WoL. And yes, Haurchefant and some knights help you and Honoroit out when you search for Emmanellain in the Vanu Vanu territory (A Series of Unfortunate Events MSQ).

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It's also confusing to me, bc this is ShB WoL, so I can't imagine it's NG+..or maybe it is and we get that armor AND that stubble :D

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That's the point - it's meant to be a picture of "your character who has reached Shadowbringers" (as represented by the generic WoL NPC) using NG+ to replay Heavensward.

And it's the same almost certainly custom-NPC-faced version of that character from the trailer/benchmark that set everyone asking why they can't also access that beard.

(Also I'm not sure, but I assume that's DRK relic armour he's wearing.)

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That's the point - it's meant to be a picture of "your character who has reached Shadowbringers" (as represented by the generic WoL NPC) using NG+ to replay Heavensward.

And it's the same almost certainly custom-NPC-faced version of that character from the trailer/benchmark that set everyone asking why they can't also access that beard.

(Also im not sure, but I assume that's DRK relic armour he's wearing.)

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well thats a bummer :(

Focus on the Beard, not in the Desu;
Thanks.

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@Kahnom
My point is don't try to lecture or "advise" people on minor things such as this when you're not 100% sure of it yourself, it's unnecessary, and slightly comes across as egocentric. Especially when the guy/gal just proved their knowledge by constructing a whole message in Japanese.

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I have to agree with @Kahnom here. Even someone with a rudimentary knowledge of Japanese (and yes, even if such knowledge came from a long term interest in anime) would know that -desu is not used as an honorific. To claim that someone has to be fluent in a language to be able to correct basic mistakes is a bit much. You don't need to be able to understand a whole scientific journal article to know that they used "their" instead of "there", or that they meant "science" when they wrote "sience", and you could still tell them as such.

And as has been mentioned, if you put the English message into Google Translate you get the Japanese message, word for word, including the missing adjective in「非常に[insert adjective here]いひげしかありません」. So the likelihood is OP didn't prove any knowledge of Japanese at all. Don't get me wrong, Google Translate is an amazing tool, especially when you just want to get the gist of something, but it does tend to translate things word for word when that wouldn't really be appropriate. Case in point 「親愛なる」for "Dear", which would be weird to use with someone you weren't actually familiar with, and also translating "bring more beards" as 「持ってきて」, or literally bringing (as in "please bring a box/cake/[other physical item]"). The nuances are somewhat lost. Also cultural differences are ignored, for instance in English you might end an exchange by thanking someone in advance for what you are asking them to do, while in Japanese you would end by reiterating the "Please". If the OP was wanting to directly send the message to YoshiP I would be inclined to go with something like this:

吉田さんへ、

無理なお願いをしてすみませんが、ヒゲのスタイルにもっとオプションをお願いします。たくさんのNPCは素敵なヒゲがあるんですけどプレイヤー達はとても醜いヒゲしかありませんよ。NPCのヒゲも選択できればいいと思います。さらに、そんな顔の特徴を特定の顔に限らない方がいいでしょうね。

よろしくお願いします、

Domn

That being said, I only have N2 in Japanese, and have only lived in Japan for four years so far, so it's not like I'm fluent yet (and can't write business emails very well at all!) XD And at the end of the day, I'm sure it's not YoshiP himself (or any of the team who only speak Japanese) who would be looking at the English forums for ideas anyway! But just in case, more beards please. お願いします〜