So according to a wiki site I read this about Seekers in Limsa:
What does this mean, does this mean that they've abandoned the whole breeding structure where only nuhns get to breed, or does this just mean they're not hiding out in the wilds like the rest of their clan?Quote:
The Seekers are diasporized across Eorzea; a few can be found in nearly every region of the land, bar Coerthas. Limsa Lominsa boasts a substantial Seeker population, as they are drawn to La Noscea's warm-temperate climate and abundant sunlight. Many of the Seekers who have settled in Limsa have adopted most of its social mores, and do not follow the "traditional" clan hierarchy closely, if at all.
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09-14-2019, 08:52 AMgeekgirl101Question about Miqo'te in Limsa
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09-14-2019, 08:59 AMAnonymoose
While plenty of Miqo'te grow up and decide to live lives away from the clan (see: Y'shtola, F'lhaminn, H'ranbolo), the phrasing of that sounds like an off-the-cuff general observation presented as hard world setting facts.
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09-14-2019, 10:34 AMEdwinLiNot to mention some are not even born from clans but from those who have settled in cities, towns, and etc along with their father or mother can be of another race.Quote:
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I can only assume the Miqo'te genes are very dominant when it comes to mix race parents thus the children will grow up mostly Miqo'te in genetics. -
09-14-2019, 12:02 PMgeekgirl101I thought that kind of thing was frowned upon by the Seekers, or is that only with the clans?Quote:
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09-14-2019, 12:59 PMMikkoAkureLominsan miqo'te for the most part are supposed to be cosmopolitan and live normal, non-tribal lives. I think it was mentioned by the NPC in 1.0 Limsa who talked about the races of the city. Besides that, there's dialogue from the R tribe NPCs during this and last years' summer events who mention having normal families.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
Serious mix-race relationships are very frowned upon in general in all of Eorzea and it's likely there are no half-miqo'te. There was a couple in one questline who were skipping out of town not because they were both men, but because they were two different races. And as far as we're aware, only elezen, garleans, and maybe au ra have been shown to be able to have kids with hyur. Considering how many miqo'te prostitutes are running around and there having been no discussion about mix-race kids, it's probably not possible.Quote:
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09-14-2019, 01:20 PMAlleluia
I want to say we've also seen a hyur/roegadyn hybrid... but I can't remember who/where off the top of my head.
Also, are interspecies relationships really that frowned upon in general and it wasn't just a localized thing in those NPCs particular situation? I mean, Lyse outright asks Y'shtola if she's into Thancred or "one of the others" in the SB tale "A Calm After the Storm" and Y'shtola doesn't act like the suggestion is a shock or something.
I mean, that acceptance could be a Sharlyan thing, I suppose. -
09-14-2019, 02:01 PMMikkoAkureI think I recall an NPC wondering aloud if highlander hyur are roegadyn hybrids or telling you to not bring it up around highlanders or something. It would make sense though, considering how different they are from all other hyur.Quote:
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09-14-2019, 02:06 PMEdwinLiAs I said before, the Miqo'te genes are most likely very dominant if the miqo'te have parents of different race.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
While there are some mention of mix races and we met a few or heard about it. It is most likely that Miqo'te have very dominant genes so the children maybe born mostly pure Miqo'te in appearance despite their DNA having mix genes.
Don't forget in a 4.0 side quest involve a former Garlean conscript and a Miqo'te, they mentioned having a lot of children once they are married (if you know what they mean). Chances are their children may look 100% Miqo'te. -
09-14-2019, 03:10 PMgeekgirl101
ok ty for your answers, has been very helpful. :)
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09-14-2019, 03:11 PMFloortankSo frowned on that it's literally never been depicted this way in any of the thousands of quests I've done.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
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09-14-2019, 03:38 PMEdaxYeah, we even have a moogle quest (Stroking the Haft) about a Hyur, Hunberct Longhaft (haha) outright bragging about banging a pair of twin Mi'qotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Floortank
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...Haft_Image.png
See the dialogue for yourself:
Hunberct: How many times must I tell you? Garments such as these might be fit for an ordinary man, but Hunberct Longhaft is no ordinary man! Hells, what is keeping my package!?
Hunberct: My silk, at last! Ah, now this is more like it! Feel for yourself─so soft and pliant, a fabric that truly breathes. This is of sylph make, you see. A merchant I met in Highbridge sung its praises, and I simply had to experience it for myself.
Hunberct: Your puzzled expression does not escape me. “But, Longhaft,” you protest. “Many a tale have I heard of your blade, and the consummate skill with which you wield it. What use would a virile swordsman such as yourself have with such delicate─even feminine─fabric?”
Hunberct: An astute question, which I answer with a question of my own. You strike me as one who knows your way around the battlefield, yes? Suppose you are the commander of a formidable unit─one akin to a great machine.
Hunberct: Now suppose this same unit was somehow...constrained─forced to do battle in cramped quarters. Wou
ld your unit be able to realize its full potential in such unfavorable conditions?
Hunberct: Verily not! Only when given room to breathe will the puissant unit swell and expand over the battlefield, and then─upon reaching the full extent of its power─thrust forth and penetrate your opponent's defenses. Do you grasp my meaning?
Hunberct: And so I would commission a garment to be made from this silk. And yet, my unit is not merely my own. No, the skilled hands under my command see to it that my machine remains well oiled.
Hunberct: Two of these hands accompanied me here to Ul'dah, but it would seem they have eluded my grasp─or I have eluded theirs, har har! Might you be a good lass and find them for me?
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: That first earring I saw would look lovely on my captain...but so would that other one! Gah! Why does shopping have to be so godsdamned difficult?
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: Uwaaah! You'd do well not to scare me like that. I'm a Brass Blade in service to Captain Hunberct, better known as Hunberct Longhaft. No doubt you've heard the tales?
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: None can deny the captain cuts a dashing figure, but I would give him a gift to further bring out his beauty. What say you, adventurer? Do any of these fine ornaments catch your eye?
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: Why, I thought the same myself! Some find sapphires cold, but they do not understand that beneath this cool exterior sleeps a wellspring of passion as deep as the ocean─a passion tempered by maturity and reason.
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: Not coincidentally, it is also the color of my eyes, which the captain has oft admired during late nights manning the control room at Highbridge, as I stroked the lever and admired its workmanship.
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: There are those in the Brass Blades who do not understand the captain. Those who say his exploits on the battlefield do not warrant the sizable reputation he has amassed.
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: I know not which battlefield they speak of, but as someone who has witnessed his swordplay firsthand, I can assure you that the reality far exceeds even the tallest of tales.
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: Speaking of the captain, wherever did he run off to? I must deliver my gift before E'lahmui does, lest she be the one invited to work the lever tonight...
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: So many potions, of myriad powers and potencies... Surely, one might serve to further harden the captain's─er, resolve...
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: Uwaaah! Don't frighten me like that. I was just shopping for a suitable present for my captain. You have heard the tales of the Longhaft, I presume?
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: ...Then you know that he is naturally endowed with both size and stamina. Still, I would see how alchemical innovation might enhance his already-prodigious talents. Do any of these phials intrigue you, adventurer?
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: Ah, that one stood out to me as well! Red is, after all, the color of passion─and few men are more passionate than my captain. It stands to reason that red is his favorite hue.
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: I might humbly note that it is also the color of my eyes. He has often praised their beauty during our nights together in the control room at Highbridge, where he often summons me to lubricate the lever. He says my supple fingers are most suited to the task...
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: In the past, the captain shunned alchemy in all its forms, claiming he had no need for unnatural enhancements.
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: Recently, however, I remarked that his blade─already renowned across Eorzea─might reach legendary stature with the right help, and he seemed suitably aroused by the idea.
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: Oh, but I simply must be getting back! Just imagining the captain alone with her is enough to send shivers up my tail...
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: The mere suggestion that our captain partake in alchemical enhancements is an insult─not merely to him, but to the gods that endowed him with such natural talent!
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: Hah! Says the one who would see him adorn his body with gaudy trinkets. Do you even understand the true measure of a man?
E'tajha & E'lahmui: Ungrateful wench! You're not worthy to polish the captain's blade!
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: Captain! You always praised the way I calibrate your lever! You called me an engineer!
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: Captain! You said that no machinist in the realm could keep your parts oiled as I do!
Hunberct: Cease this senseless bickering, the both of you!
Hunberct: You each have served me long, and served me hard. Surely you realize by now that there is more than enough man to go around.
Hunberct: While I welcome your sentiments, I have no need for shiny baubles or motley brews. The gods have seen fit to endow me well─I would fight my battles on my own merits.
Hunberct: Besides, there are more important matters at hand. Before you two came in, I had just been informed that my garments were ready! Prepare yourselves!
Hunberct: What say you, E'tajha!?
E'tajha Sapphire-eyes: So dashing! So handsome! So...form-fitting! I feel the flames of passion welling from within. Do promise you will wear that the next time you summon me to the control room, yes?
Hunberct: For you, my love? Anything! But we have only just begun...
Hunberct: What say you, E'lahmui!?
E'lahmui Ruby-eyes: That broad chest bursting forth! Those bulging biceps! My captain, this garment shows you for the god of virility that you are. My only regret is that I cannot quite see under the belt...
Hunberct: All in good time, my love! Now do you see? There is more than enough man here for─no, Hunberct is no mere man. For within me rages a beast─a beast that will be contained no longer!
Hunberct: Behold! Did you know that this furred snow creature is legendary for its stamina and the sheer size of its manhood? Now tell me, ladies─what would you like for Starlight this year?
E'tajha & E'lahmui: You, my captain─and nothing but you!
Hunberct: Hahaha! That's what I thought you'd say. Now, if you've gotten over your silly little cat-fight, I believe it's time we went on our way.
Hunberct: For even as we speak, bandits and brigands would target innocent merchants who travel through Highbridge. Fear not, ladies...there will be time enough for pleasure when the battles have been won.
E'tajha & E'lahmui: Yes, sir!
Hunberct: <sigh> If you thought being the Longhaft was all about sweet pleasure and bliss, you'd best think again.
Hunberct: Prone to bouts of sibling jealousy, those two, but they're good girls at heart─all the more admirable considering their origins.
Hunberct: Stolen from their parents when they were just babes, and sold into a trade where no woman deserves to go. My unit found and freed them, but sadly, the Brass Blades are not in the habit of taking in children.
Hunberct: Granted their freedom, they made their living on the streets. Where many turn to selling their bodies, they honed their smarts and their fighting skills. When they returned to me years later as women grown─strong and beautiful─I swore that I would have them! In my regiment, that is...
Hunberct: That they know how to properly sheathe my blade is an extra benefit─albeit a most welcome one. And with that, I must return to my post. -
09-14-2019, 06:40 PMYianKutkuI really do feel that one day, we need to put a giant sticky note in lore discussions that the Final Fantasy Wikia/Fandom wiki site is not an accurate source of lore.Quote:
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09-14-2019, 09:53 PMMikkoAkureNever said it doesn’t happen, but that it’s not widely culturally accepted. This is per interviews with the lore team at various fan fests.Quote:
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Per Fern:
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Only recently, with the forming of the city-states and Sharlayan as well, did the people start living together. Even then there’s that tension. So while it’s not impossible for these relationships to happen, and not impossible to have children that are maybe half Elezen, half Hyur or half Elezen, half Roegadyn… It’s just that it doesn’t happen a lot amongst the people that live in Eorzea. Again, it’s a cultural thing. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen though.
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09-14-2019, 09:56 PMIscahTo be exact, R'fhul Tia says that he and R'mahja "don't have a father" and he wants to be able to support his family. That sent us into a bit of a lore-frenzy trying to figure it out - is the R tribe no longer functioning, with the tribe letter still passed down as a 'family name'? Is it an odd description of a standard tribe (or adjusted-for-city-life tribe) where family units might be mother-and-children with a central nunh not connected to any one family? Could their mother have split off from the tribe and taken her children with her? Is it a tactical way of explaining his situation to a stranger without going into the details of Sunseeker tribe structure?Quote:
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They're still using standard tribe naming schemes at any rate - the R tribe (if functional) seems to be based in Limsa and there are a number of them around.
This example gets brought up a lot but I'm not sure it's accurate.Quote:
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I think it's how I understood it the first time I watched that scene, but on a rewatch it seems more like they were... not in denial, but refusing to acknowledge that the reason people might see their relationship as "different" is due to gender rather than race - and they never directly state that anyone objected to them being mixed-race.
Also, I can think of several straight mixed-race couples (confirmed or hinted/potential) but no other gay couples in the game. So that would seem to contradict the interpretation that race is the issue.
It's still ambiguous though, but not enough that I want to take it as fact that mixed-race couples are a particular issue, or use it to work out Eorzean social attitudes.
Quest text is here: http://garlandtools.org/db/#quest/65967
Hyur/Roegadyn is never outright stated, but minor NPC Immodest Mouse says his grandfather was named Byron - and with a name like that he's unlikely to have been a Hellsguard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleluia
Do we have any record of this? I can't think of any examples.Quote:
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There are some couples where one is Miqo'te and one isn't, but I don't think we're aware of any with children, or any Miqo'te character hinting they had a non-Miqo'te parent. -
09-14-2019, 10:22 PMMikkoAkure
As far as the OP’s question goes, this is where people are getting that Lominsan miqo’te are not in tribes:
Lodestone:
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Though relatively few in Eorzea, a small number of them have been accepted into everyday life by the other races in the port city of Limsa Lominsa.
Both imply that the Lominsan population of miqo’te exist outside of the tribal structure, which is reinforced by the fact that we see no nunhs outside of the two tribes we have access to, and the two summer event NPCs who seem to describe a normal family.Quote:
While their overall numbers are not great, their twenty-six tribes are scattered across all reaches of the realm, with small Seeker settlements to be found from the sands of the Sagolii Desert in southern Thanalan to the jagged peaks of Gyr Abania. Yet other Seekers have settled in Limsa Lominsa, drawn to the freedom of pirate life.
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09-14-2019, 10:52 PMIscahThat's the exact reason we don't see any other nunhs though - by definition, their role is to "stay at home" and guard their territory/tribe from threats and challengers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
We've seen the 'home base' of two tribes, both following traditional structure, and can deduce that the Y tribe in Sharlayan probably does as well - or at least did a generation ago, from the fact that Y'shtola and Y'mhitra are half-sisters with the same father.
We don't know where any of the other tribes are based, so we can't be sure until we visit them (or pester the lore Q&A people).
Why assume this? What information are you basing it off?Quote:
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09-15-2019, 10:35 AMYianKutkuFor what it's worth, the J tribe are apparently resident to Ala Ghiri, according to EE2 and J'olhmyn's bio. Meanwhile, J'dyalani's bio confirms that there was at least one nunh of the J tribe present, and given both J'olhmyn and J'dyalani have "Abah" as their last names, this "J'abah" was that nunh.Quote:
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According to J'dyalani's bio, J'abah Nunh was killed during the Garlean invasion. No mention after that of whether the J tribe got a new nunh, or are now nunh-less. -
09-15-2019, 10:47 AMmonk-dps
I kindof wanna do what'll happen if an Au ra couples with a htur or miqo'te. What dna wins in the kiddos that'll pop out 9 months later. Also... do Au ra really mate with horses? Or is that a joke? I ... have no idea
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09-15-2019, 01:04 PMIscahAh yeah, I know the J tribe seems to be based in Ala Ghiri but wasn't thinking of it because we haven't been outright told that.Quote:
Originally Posted by YianKutku
It's kind of hard to confirm whether there's a traditional tribe structure in place unless we either meet the nunh or get told that there isn't one.
We do have a historical record of an Au Ra / Hyur pairing - mentioned during the Ruby Princess sidequests, apparently a previous princess married a Hyuran and their child had "almost no scales" - that description coming from an Au Ra perspective suggests they might have still had the tail and horns though.Quote:
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The Goro tribe marry horses but do not mate with them. It's covered better in the Dataqi Chronicles FATE questline but I don't have a script for that. -
09-15-2019, 02:12 PMAlleluia... I'm sorry, what? lolQuote:
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09-15-2019, 02:44 PMIscahWeird cultural thing from the long list of Xaela tribes defined by weird cultural things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleluia
From the list of tribes on the naming convention page:
As I said, the Dataqi Chronicles goes into this a bit more, but that's all delivered in real time through 'speech bubbles' and temporary NPCs that don't turn up in Garland Tools. I've got screenshots somewhere but I'd need to find them. From memory it's more of a "deep bond" than a romantic thing.Quote:
The Goro believe horses to be perfect beings, and each male and female, upon their coming of age, is married to a horse of the opposite sex. Reproductive mates are chosen by lots.
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09-16-2019, 02:12 AMTinyRedLeafLucky for you, I'm obsessive-compulsive.Quote:
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https://i.imgur.com/tUgQBUt.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/Oa1PVAb.jpg?1
Also, I think it's worth pointing out again that I prefer to think of a "tribe" of miqo'te as a collective noun for a group of loosely related families, all of them sharing a common ancestor.
This is not a difficult concept for East Asians to grasp, as many of us carry the same family name, even if we're not directly related. The most common surname in Japan, for example, is Sato. But that doesn't mean that all Sato are cousins. In fact, most of them are barely related.
How does this impact that way I look at the R' siblings in the Moonfire Faire stories, for example? Well, firstly, I don't assume that the R tribe has collapsed. I simply take it that the particular family of the two siblings had gone through difficult times, but there may well be another family of the R tribe that's still thriving out there somewhere.
Now, this is by no means canon, as there is as yet nothing in the game to confirm this. But there isn't anything to explicitly contradict it either. So, make of it what you will. ;) -
09-16-2019, 11:10 PMLineageRazor
On the topic of crossbreeding, I think overall the vibe I get is that there's a deep-rooted prejudice against cross-race couplings, but that folks are gradually becoming aware of this prejudice and starting to recognize it as wrong. This means that there's plenty of progressive thinkers who are willing to give it a pass, and also holdouts that condemn it. The quests we get involved with TYPICALLY show more of the former than the latter, which is why it's easy to forget about the prejudice.
As for Miqo'te genetics being stronger... I don't recall this being mentioned anywhere. I think there might have been something about genetics favoring the mother, unless I'm confusing things with FFXI. "Favoring" may not be a hard-and-fast rule, either; Hilda showed that fairly even splits of genetic traits are possible, given that she's quite recognizably both Hyur and Elezen.
The horse thing has been covered, but to address Au Ra + Hyur, this is addressed in quests in Sui no Sato in the Ruby Sea, in a way. There is a legend of an Au Ra princess who fell in love with a Hyur man. Their child was Au Ra, but had fewer scales than normal.Quote:
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09-18-2019, 03:18 AMBright-Flower
I tend to assume crossbreeding between all playable races is possible but not common or easy to conceive with. Hence why we see few cases of it, even with things like Miqo'te prostitutes seen in some places etc. I don't think it's just a matter of 'Miqo'te have dominant genes.'
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09-22-2019, 07:58 AMShadygrove
I seem to remember reading that offspring of cross race couples are rare and usually are the mother's race.
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09-22-2019, 09:49 AMAnonymoose
That was made up by roleplayers to work with the character creator restrictions; it never had a basis in reality. When Square Enix cares enough about a character's hybrid ancestry to invest the resources in making a fully custom character outside the standard character creation restrictions for the sake of making it obvious, you get Hilda. Hilda is what should be expected - a mosaic of traits that reflects both parents. "She Get It From Her Mama" was just an RP rule of thumb for community consistency and even the people who advocated for that are like, "This has gotten out of hand." lol
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09-22-2019, 10:16 AMIscah
To be fair, our two solid examples of mixed-race characters (Hilda and Arenvald) take after their mother's race.
Model-wise, Hilda is just a max-height Midlander with customised ears.
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10-01-2019, 01:45 AMNessaWyvern
There was a Halloween event that involved a miqote girl with a miqote mother and Hyur father. She also had both sunseeker eyes and moon keeper fangs iirc, for whatever reason
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10-01-2019, 02:35 AMHyoMinParkI think the child Miqo’te models all have the Keeper fangs. I can’t recall seeing a Miqo’te child that didn’t have the fangs—Keeper or Seeker. But I could be misremembering. It could be that the fangs are baby teeth, and only Keepers have permanent teeth shaped like fangs, where as Seekers grow “normal” canines.Quote:
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10-01-2019, 06:59 PMJandorI think it was explained at some point that a lot of examples like this are the result of adoption, a lot of people died during the calamity :(Quote:
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10-01-2019, 11:38 PMAlleluiaQuote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
True. That said, I think that Gold Saucer example might have been what I was thinking of for my "I think we've seen a hyru/roe combo somewhere" comment earlier. So, thank you, NessaWyvern. :)Quote:
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10-07-2019, 09:53 AMVirusChris
I also know at Aleport in the Limsa region there's a Midlander Hyur and Roe Woman that go at it "like rabbits" and their commanding officer is scolding them, not because of what they do, but where they did it and the two NPCs nearby (one of them a Miqo'te) is the one to mention their relationship. It's at the top of the fort in the corner. You have to wait for the dialogue box to appear though.
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10-07-2019, 12:34 PMAlleluia
Yeah. Which again is a knock against the "interracial relationships are taboo" idea. But that could just apply in Vylbrand.
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10-07-2019, 05:16 PMTinyRedLeaf
^ Just because something is taboo doesn't mean people don't do it. Just ask societies where pre-marital sex is taboo. How well is it working? It's almost always a case of do it, but don't talk about it and, above all, don't get caught.
Personally, I'm just assuming that while inter-racial sex can and does happen in Hydaelyn, the chance of it leading to offspring is very, very low. It's a lot easier for me to reconcile this headcanon, rather than think the sex doesn't happen at all.