Shadowbringers Trailer

Question, if you watch the Shadowbringers trailer, there's the part where the hood flies off of Y'shtola. She says, Until our friend returns, I will hold the line. Who is "Our Friend" that Y'shotola is referring to? It can't be us, because, we are not returning?

After playing through the ShB MSQ I'm pretty sure the trailer actually shows what happens in the First while we are still back in Eorzea - failing to heading the call of the Exarch. It is mentioned as well in Rak'tikka that Y'shtola apparead after an attacked threatened the people so I would think that this is the time the trailer catches.

Therefor she probably means us in a way that she waits until we get called to the First as the Exarch is still trying. I could be wrong though. I'm not too deep digged into the lore and someone may correct me. :)

I assumed she meant the WoL. That whole scene isn't exactly cannon I don't think. Because it shows her on the tower in that burned out town in Rak'tika with Urianger and I don't think he was even there at the time. So I'm thinking they took some liberties.

Might want to pop a possible spoilers note in your title. Sadly I don't know how to hide my text in that drop down thingie

Assumed it was us. Te trailers seems to be showing what is happening while we are on the Source still. Thancred stealing away Minfillia for example. It looks like the first settlement you come to in Rak'tika so I guess when we arrive that happened a few years previously.

Keep in mind cinematics are planned far in advance (YoshiP had mentioned during the last Live Letter the cinematic was planned out just after Stormblood's launch but before Shadowbringer's story arc was finalized). I'm fairly certain it was still a reference to the Warrior of Light and not someone else. It could be originally the story had the Warrior of Light meeting with her before the attack but the story was altered after work on the cinematic was already begun and it was too late to change the details.

Might be mildly immersion breaking now that the story can be experienced but it's not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Nyvara

I assumed she meant the WoL. That whole scene isn't exactly cannon I don't think. Because it shows her on the tower in that burned out town in Rak'tika with Urianger and I don't think he was even there at the time. So I'm thinking they took some liberties.

Might want to pop a possible spoilers note in your title. Sadly I don't know how to hide my text in that drop down thingie

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The scene of the forest burning and Thancred rescuing the girl are canon. Keep in mind that Thancred had been in the world for 5 First years and Y'shtola had been there for 3 First Years.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

The scene of the forest burning and Thancred rescuing the girl are canon. Keep in mind that Thancred had been in the world for 5 First years and Y'shtola had been there for 3 First Years.

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Good point, I assumed Urianger wasn't there when it burned but he may have been and may have told the WoL, but honestly unless the twins are telling me something I don't pay him any mind.

The whole trailer is "misleading" in that every scene we see play out (except maybe Thancred and Minfilia) has elements that don't represent what really happened, or made us assume details that weren't accurate.

The scene in the burning forest clearly somewhat happened, because the burned fort is there, and Y'shtola would have been in Rak'tika at the time. Urianger striding in making dramatic speeches about fate? Probably not, unless he's that oblivious about the appropriate time to discuss things.

So, if that's not exactly how it happened, then I wouldn't take the details of their conversation as canon either. Or as Jojoya said, they might have been canon at the time the scene was written, but the story got altered after that.

(That scene also had the setup for calling her "Master Matoya" and sending us into unnecessary theory meltdown for months. I would not be surprised if the entire "Night's Blessed don't use their real names" thing was written just so they could get that line in the trailer.)

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Originally Posted by Nyvara

Good point, I assumed Urianger wasn't there when it burned but he may have been and may have told the WoL, but honestly unless the twins are telling me something I don't pay him any mind.

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Don't tune him out. He has a lot of important dialogue.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The scene in the burning forest clearly somewhat happened, because the burned fort is there, and Y'shtola would have been in Rak'tika at the time. Urianger striding in making dramatic speeches about fate? Probably not, unless he's that oblivious about the appropriate time to discuss things.

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I mean, it is Urianger...

So the whole thing IS cannon except the parts with the WoL/WoD

It shows Y'shtola fighting in the wood during the great fire the NPCs mention.
Thancred saving Minfilia from Eulmores Dungeon. He even has unique dialogue during the level 49 trust against the first boss. Claiming they've got a score to settle. Minfilia saying she isn't going to hide this time.

It could be foreshadowing what will happen in the First while we're back at the Source.

She is referring to us, even the quests tell you this in game, since everyone knew the Exarch was still attempting to summon the WoL to become the WoD to save the land. The entire trailer was just showing what they were going through while we were still in the source.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

She is referring to us, even the quests tell you this in game, since everyone knew the Exarch was still attempting to summon the WoL to become the WoD to save the land. The entire trailer was just showing what they were going through while we were still in the source.

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I get that, but instead of using saying Until our friend returns, which would indicate that we have already been there, they could have said, until our friend arrives, I will hold the line. Unless of course they are referring to someone completely different. This could be true because, there still is upcoming content.

All I know is that while I thought the story was good, I was disappointed that we had nothing to do with being an actual warrior of darkness. I wanted zodiark to bless me or some jazz

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Originally Posted by Talinthis

All I know is that while I thought the story was good, I was disappointed that we had nothing to do with being an actual warrior of darkness. I wanted zodiark to bless me or some jazz

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You were being an actual warrior of darkness bringing the darkness back to a world where the overwhelming light was being an oppressive evil that was going to destroy the world.

Do not confuse that with getting to be a villain running around causing chaos for shits and giggles. It is the standard Dark is not Evil and Light is not Good trope use. We are Heroes, whether our enemy is the Light or the Darkness.

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Originally Posted by Haldonir

I get that, but instead of using saying Until our friend returns, which would indicate that we have already been there, they could have said, until our friend arrives, I will hold the line. Unless of course they are referring to someone completely different. This could be true because, there still is upcoming content.

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well i believe what she was meaning is that the Scions are waiting for WOL-D to return to them not the first

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Originally Posted by Talinthis

I wanted zodiark to bless me or some jazz

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I'm still not crossing that off the list of possibilities with Zenos wanting to eat them and all.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

You were being an actual warrior of darkness bringing the darkness back to a world where the overwhelming light was being an oppressive evil that was going to destroy the world.

Do not confuse that with getting to be a villain running around causing chaos for shits and giggles. It is the standard Dark is not Evil and Light is not Good trope use. We are Heroes, whether our enemy is the Light or the Darkness.

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Just as you stated, who said wielding darkness meant we had to go around being a villain? I wanted shadow or darkness based powers as well from this, and it’s my only real complaint of the expansion that we were more of a light eater/battery than a user of darkness. I was expecting a tie to Zodiark or something, not just to go and eat all the light of their world then expunge it out. I’m still the “WoL” who uses blessings of light, I am just called a different name by different people.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

(That scene also had the setup for calling her "Master Matoya" and sending us into unnecessary theory meltdown for months. I would not be surprised if the entire "Night's Blessed don't use their real names" thing was written just so they could get that line in the trailer.)

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Imo the entire "Master Matoya" bit in the story was completely and utterly unnecessary. It had absolutely no plot relevance at all. Including it in the trailer did nothing but generate a bunch of wild theories that turned out inaccurate. I also think its rather stupid, too. For one, let's buy this idea and say none of the members of the Night's Blessed used their real names. Of all the names Y'Shotla could've chosen, why did it have to be that one, the same as her Master's? Also, why was Urianger calling her 'Master Matoya" in the trailer? I would get it if one of the Night's Members called her that, neither he nor anyone else one calls her that after we leave the Greatwood

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Do not confuse that with getting to be a villain running around causing chaos for shits and giggles. It is the standard Dark is not Evil and Light is not Good trope use. We are Heroes, whether our enemy is the Light or the Darkness.

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We're basically the Warrior of Light though. Even more so than usual since we absorb a ton of it. We don't gain any Dark powers, we don't align with Dark elements, we gain no Shadow abilities, Zodiark has no influence over us, Death Knight was the cover class but there aren't Death Knights in the first that I remember.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the MSQ and technically we brought the night back, but the whole "Become what you must" and "be the Warrior of Darkness" lead up before launch was a little bit of a let down when we were nothing of the sort. People just labeled us as that because we were saving them and their prophecy said the Warrior of Darkness did that.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Imo the entire "Master Matoya" bit in the story was completely and utterly unnecessary. It had absolutely no plot relevance at all. Including it in the trailer did nothing but generate a bunch of wild theories that turned out inaccurate. I also think its rather stupid, too. For one, let's buy this idea and say none of the members of the Night's Blessed used their real names. Of all the names Y'Shotla could've chosen, why did it have to be that one, the same as her Master's? Also, why was Urianger calling her 'Master Matoya" in the trailer? I would get it if one of the Night's Members called her that, neither he nor anyone else one calls her that after we leave the Greatwood

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To be fair, she does it literally because of the group of people in the woods. Outside the woods, there is no reason for it.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

You were being an actual warrior of darkness bringing the darkness back to a world where the overwhelming light was being an oppressive evil that was going to destroy the world.

Do not confuse that with getting to be a villain running around causing chaos for shits and giggles. It is the standard Dark is not Evil and Light is not Good trope use. We are Heroes, whether our enemy is the Light or the Darkness.

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yes but in name only. technically we had nothing to do with being a warrior of darkness. The trailer made it seem that the power of light was ineffective and useless against the creatures of light and we had to use darkness to defeat them. the only thing related to darkness is when the sky opens up after you beat a lightwarden. the title of the expansion makes much more sense than any of the actual trailers.