WAR Crit/Rampage build

FOOD: Broiled Bream: +10 Crit Rate

MAIN - Malignant Mogaxe: +15 Crit Rate
HEAD - Fighter's Bergeonet: +10 Crit Rate
LEGS - Fighter's Breeches: +10 Crit Rate
HANDS - Sipahi Gloves: +15 Crit Rate
FEET - Explorer's Moccasins: +30 Crit Rate
WAIST - Explorer's Belt: +12 Crit Rate
NECK - Explorer's Chocker: +20 Crit Rate

RINGS - Electrum Ring(2): +30 Acccuracy.
BODY - Darklight Cuirass: +20 Attack Power, +50 Crit Attack Power / 2X Savage Might III Body or better

+122 Crit Rate in total and I can't imagine ever using Berserk again.

how do you know darklight cuiress is even meldable?

Darklight Cuirass isn't meldable.

the "/" implies an "or" in that instance. The Darklight Cuirass or a body w/ double melded crit materia's. An equivelant.
Also, I'd really like to know what the crit rate translates to in a % value. Wondering if the trade off is worth it, but considering rampage, I'd say War if anything is the best job to pursue a crit build in. Why else would they throw so much Crit rate nonsense in with this patch. When you get that gear setup, let us know how it works out :D!

Critical rate will help alot, but depending on what you fight the dmg from criticals vs. att/str overload might be kinda minimal or even lower. i think it depends on target mobs and purpose of the job, DD as opposed to tanking.

With that said, however, it would at least be tons of fun to run around seein criticals all over the place :D

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Critical rate will help alot, but depending on what you fight the dmg from criticals vs. att/str overload might be kinda minimal or even lower. i think it depends on target mobs and purpose of the job, DD as opposed to tanking.

With that said, however, it would at least be tons of fun to run around seein criticals all over the place :D

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Criticals hits yield 50-100% more damage normally, and that can be increased with higher crit attack dmg.
The big question is how often +122 Crit rate will make you crit, like Turtle already mentioned.
So if your normal crit rate is 10% and adding +122 increases your rate to 35-40% so that every 3rd attack lands for a crit, then in that case the crit build would not only out dps at STR & ATK build, it would also make for a decent tank build with all those crits giving HP back while under Rampage effect.


And yes, the "/" means or. No Darklight armor is meldable, so I'm giving the option of that or a multi melded Savage Might Materia on your choice of body armor.

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

Criticals hits yield 50-100% more damage normally, and that can be increased with higher crit attack dmg.
The big question is how often +122 Crit rate will make you crit, like Turtle already mentioned.
So if your normal crit rate is 10% and adding +122 increases your rate to 35-40% so that every 3rd attack lands for a crit, then in that case the crit build would not only out dps at STR & ATK build, it would also make for a decent tank build with all those crits giving HP back while under Rampage effect.


And yes, the "/" means or. No Darklight armor is meldable, so I'm giving the option of that or a multi melded Savage Might Materia on your choice of body armor.

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There are extensive tests about Critical dmg, on mobs that are like 56 or 58, idr which number atm, even having one crit dmg + materia in your gear doesn't add enough to break the what you can do with no crit dmg +, and that number is only 15% dmg bonus.... so it really depends what you're fighting.

At the same time i'd love to figure out more about how much critical (or mag crit) rates are affected by the numbers, so far i'm leaning toward crit rate + things working like enmity, .1 for every 1, meaning that +122 would be a 12.2% increase in critical rate on most mobs within say 3-4 levels of your own, maximizing its effects 5 levels below you but then scaling down the further things are beneath you like most things do (to an extent). when mobs are higher, like 56+ would that rate still hold true or would it be much more awful because of dLvl mechanics which are nightmares right now?

I personally do not like "chance" for tanking and prefer an attack/str/enmity build for Rampage.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

I personally do not like "chance" for tanking and prefer an attack/str/enmity build for Rampage.

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Isn't the point of +crit rate to minimize chance?

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Originally Posted by Bocajo

Isn't the point of +crit rate to minimize chance?

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Crit build is damage in bursts that might or might not happen.

Non crit build is stable flow of damage over time.

I sure do love my new explorers belt

I would recommend intensive testing on crit rate modifiers before going out and obtaining all of the items just to be potentially disappointed. Anyhow I don't always play WAR, but when I do, I'm tanking marshal. All I can recommend is wait for the soldiers to come up and use AoE WS. If one of them doesn't crit you're just extremely unlucky lol.

Really though, WAR shines when tanking multiple mobs at a time.

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

I would recommend intensive testing on crit rate modifiers before going out and obtaining all of the items just to be potentially disappointed. Anyhow I don't always play WAR, but when I do, I'm tanking marshal. All I can recommend is wait for the soldiers to come up and use AoE WS. If one of them doesn't crit you're just extremely unlucky lol.

Really though, WAR shines when tanking multiple mobs at a time.

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Was this a Dos Equis reference? xD

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Crit build is damage in bursts that might or might not happen.

Non crit build is stable flow of damage over time.

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I'm risking stable damage for higher damage and HP restored.
When tanking, spike dmg gets enmity and HP back is always good.

If the crit attack power is high enough and crit rate is often enough, it may work out.
Although I'm doubtful, if the crit rate is over 35% I may opt for a crafted axe with double melded Savage Might to make the most of every crit.

Anyone want to lend me their Explorer's Moccasins?

He is the most interesting Warrior in the world.

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Originally Posted by Bocajo

Was this a Dos Equis reference? xD

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it most certainly was lol

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

I'm risking stable damage for higher damage and HP restored.
When tanking, spike dmg gets enmity and HP back is always good.

If the crit attack power is high enough and crit rate is often enough, it may work out.
Although I'm doubtful, if the crit rate is over 35% I may opt for a crafted axe with double melded Savage Might to make the most of every crit.

Anyone want to lend me their Explorer's Moccasins?

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How much extra damage do you think you actually do on a crit?

where do explorers mocasin and bandana drop from? is it vale or cutters?

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

How much extra damage do you think you actually do on a crit?

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Between 50-100% more damage than a non crit, depending on your STR and Mob crit resilience.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

where do explorers mocasin and bandana drop from? is it vale or cutters?

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They both drop from Vale. Explorer's Mocasin dropping from the 25 minute speed chest after Miser, and Bandana from the 2nd poison room chest you get after defeating the Lily of the Vales.

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Originally Posted by Neversleeps

They both drop from Vale. Explorer's Mocasin dropping from the 25 minute speed chest after Miser, and Bandana from the 2nd poison room chest you get after defeating the Lily of the Vales.

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Thaaaaaaaaaanks

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

Criticals hits yield 50-100% more damage normally, and that can be increased with higher crit attack dmg.
The big question is how often +122 Crit rate will make you crit, like Turtle already mentioned.
So if your normal crit rate is 10% and adding +122 increases your rate to 35-40% so that every 3rd attack lands for a crit, then in that case the crit build would not only out dps at STR & ATK build, it would also make for a decent tank build with all those crits giving HP back while under Rampage effect.


And yes, the "/" means or. No Darklight armor is meldable, so I'm giving the option of that or a multi melded Savage Might Materia on your choice of body armor.

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id be willing to bet that +crit works like plus enmity, every 10 points is 1%

edit: recently found out it takes +30 crit rate to equal 1%

Usually on parse I average about 20-22% crit rate on WAR during Antling fight. (Mainly DPS on princess). This however could give a misleading number being that the solider ants are much lower rank, and probably have a much lower DLVL.

(Using only AF Legs/Head to give +crit rate)

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

Between 50-100% more damage than a non crit, depending on your STR and Mob crit resilience.

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Lowest you can crit is 115% normal damage, highest you can crit is 175% normal damage. Thundaga can break 175% though, but for 58+ (assumed boss level monsters) monsters you need 55+ crit potency/atk power to start criting for more then 115%.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/56489.html

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Originally Posted by Treach

Lowest you can crit is 115% normal damage, highest you can crit is 175% normal damage. Thundaga can break 175% though, but for 58+ (assumed boss level monsters) monsters you need 55+ crit potency/atk power to start criting for more then 115%.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/56489.html

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Those percents are showing total crit damage, not additional.
I'll take his research and correct my rough estimation of 50-100% additional crit damage to his 15-75% additional crit damage. And although he did not test MRD/WAR I will assume the results would fall in that same range.

However, seeing that Thundaga breaks the crit limit, it may be possible that Steel Cyclone and/or Godsbane may do the same.

He once died and returned to his homepoint, just to know what it felt like.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Usually on parse I average about 20-22% crit rate on WAR during Antling fight. (Mainly DPS on princess). This however could give a misleading number being that the solider ants are much lower rank, and probably have a much lower DLVL.

(Using only AF Legs/Head to give +crit rate)

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Your high crit rate is because you are using Steel Cyclone over and over, which has increases crit rate.

So instead of gathering a bunch of crit rate gear, you could just use Steel Cyclone and Godsbane to crit as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

Your high crit rate is because you are using Steel Cyclone over and over, which has increases crit rate.

So instead of gathering a bunch of crit rate gear, you could just use Steel Cyclone and Godsbane to crit as much as possible.

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As oppose to the 20 other weapon skills WAR has, right?

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Originally Posted by Scarface

As oppose to the 20 other weapon skills WAR has, right?

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I'm not insulting you for using Steel Cyclone.
You thought it was the lower level ants, I'm telling you it's the WS giving you the high crit rate.

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

I'm not insulting you for using Steel Cyclone.
You thought it was the lower level ants, I'm telling you it's the WS giving you the high crit rate.

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I understand that, but when you're hitting 10+ mobs that are 20 levels lower than the NM you're trying to "parse" it can give a misleading crit rate / total dmg.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

I understand that, but when you're hitting 10+ mobs that are 20 levels lower than the NM you're trying to "parse" it can give a misleading crit rate / total dmg.

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Depending on which parser you're using, you can select single targets to parse and skip trash/adds.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Depending on which parser you're using, you can select single targets to parse and skip trash/adds.

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would have been a good time to plug the awesome enemy filter of the bgparser,lol. and for only 3 easy payments.. but wait theres more...

Buy one, get one FREE for your LS mate!

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

FOOD: Broiled Bream: +10 Crit Rate

MAIN - Malignant Mogaxe: +15 Crit Rate
HEAD - Fighter's Bergeonet: +10 Crit Rate
LEGS - Fighter's Breeches: +10 Crit Rate
HANDS - Sipahi Gloves: +15 Crit Rate
FEET - Explorer's Moccasins: +30 Crit Rate
WAIST - Explorer's Belt: +12 Crit Rate
NECK - Explorer's Chocker: +20 Crit Rate

RINGS - Electrum Ring(2): +30 Acccuracy.
BODY - Darklight Cuirass: +20 Attack Power, +50 Crit Attack Power / 2X Savage Might III Body or better

+122 Crit Rate in total and I can't imagine ever using Berserk again.

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After further review.....
This setup does not increase overall damage due to increasing Crit Rate isn't significant enough to overcome sacrificing the possible STR, VIT, and ATK on your gear. In short, don't pull all your eggs in one basket.

Your chance to crit is often enough on just using Steel Cyclone and Godesbane alone, you're better off just increasing your overall damage with STR, VIT, and ATK gear/materia as was suggested earlier.

Where does Explorer's Ring and Explorer's Earring drop?

Turns out +crit rate is a useless stat. Not only is the actual effect of the stat minimal, but crits themselves are very weak against high level enemies (a lot of +crit power is required before you even get past the crit power floor) and your crit rate cannot exceed 20% even if you had unlimited +crit rate. Read this post for more details: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...=1#post5139241

Woohoo +4% crit! So good!

+Crit rate is bad. Stick with AP.

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Originally Posted by Technyze

Woohoo +4% crit! So good!

+Crit rate is bad. Stick with AP.

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Agreed, preffer my steady steam of whoopass, rather that KLUNK ding ding KLUNK ding ding ding.
Anyone else noticed that axes make a hollow ringing sound when they crit?