MSQ is causing some social tension in our FC. It's fairly good experience, although that is up for debate, but it means that some people feel forced into doing it, others try to attend but spend as little time as possible actually engaging with the content, and others just flat out refuse to do it.
Universally, we agree that they are not fun and feel like a necessary evil that we must do to progress our classes. I had a thought that maybe Trust would be a good system to implement into it for the sake of making it available for people who still need to do this content which is very, VERY old now.
I'm also reminded of Season 2 of the Living World from Guild Wars 2, that content is no longer playable at all, but instead has a series of videos depicting the event and what happened.
I dunno, I'm feeling a bit put out at the moment after having a bit of a grumble with some FC friends...apologies for the rant.
MSQ Roulette Causes Tension
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08-02-2019, 05:27 AMHalobumpMSQ Roulette Causes Tension
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08-02-2019, 05:40 AMRaldo
Say what? Why would anyone feel forced into doing the MSQ roulette, and what does any of that have to do with your FC? Are some members just butthurt that some people won't run certain content with them? Yikes.
I personally find the MSQ roulette to be repulsive, and I refuse to do it. I hate the cutscenes and I hate being synced to 50. It's not fun, and if I'm not having fun, then why am I playing? Despite that, I've got 4 jobs to 80 since ShB hit and I haven't touched the MSQ roulette once. Do it if you want. Don't if you don't.
"But it's great exp!" You know what else is great exp? Spam FATEs (bonus, you'll level up your Shared FATE system if you're in ShB areas). Do the most level-appropriate dungeon (either via DF or trusts if you're 71+). Go do your daily hunts. Go spam PotD/HoH. Low level? Do levequests. Sidequests. Beastmen quests. Other daily roulettes. PvP. Dungeons with your grand company adventurer squadron. There's always a variety of avenues you can take to get exp. Not everyone is going to like every option, and none should feel obligatory.
There's ZERO reason why the MSQ roulette should feel obligatory. If someone in your FC is giving someone else shit for not joining them on an MSQ roulette (or any other content) because they don't enjoy it, then that person needs to check themselves. -
08-02-2019, 06:30 PMFrizze
A lot of what Raldo said. People who run this roulette and then complain about it are annoying(seriously everyone, the roulette is optional - if you dont like it dont do it), but people trying to shame or pressure others who dont want to run it would clearly be worse. Run leveling and alliance - some of those instances are fun, and none of the bad ones are quite as bad as the MSQ runs. If you have enough FC members to make this an issue, do some full FC dungeon runs. Or any of the other methods Raldo mentions.
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08-04-2019, 08:31 AMDrakkaelusThey're really not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halobump
I haven't done the MSQ Roulette a single time since they made it mandatory to sit through the cutscenes. The exp just isn't going to justify how much fun I won't be having, so I don't bother with it.
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08-04-2019, 08:42 AMTheMightyMollusk
I do it while I'm making a pizza or something. Nobody really notices if I drop off for a few minutes to go take it out of the oven.
Hell, with Praetorium, I can put a pizza in the oven at the beginning, have it done by the fight with Nero, take it out and set it to cool while he's talking about his hateboner for Cid, go back to cut it up while Gaius is talking on the elevator, and eat most of it during Lahabrea's speeches. Even if I'm a little off on timing, the gear scaling is so out of hand that it doesn't really matter if one person is absent for a minute or two. -
08-07-2019, 06:20 AMAtamis
I only queue for MSQ when its close to lunch time, i've gotten pretty good at making soups and sandwiches while Nero talks.
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08-07-2019, 07:41 AMDiggles
No one is forcing you to do MSQ roulette. The main point of it is to get an exp bomb while leveling. Not much use for it at max lvl unless you really need poetics, but while leveling it will give you at least half a level all the way until 80, and even more the closer you are to 50 - sometimes 2-3 levels depending on rested/exp buffs, etc. I would personally be mad if they removed the cutscene requirement because that would mean that the exp reward would get nerfed. As it is, I already leave if I queue in and don't get Praetorium. Massive exp and good time to watch TV, browse forums, do your taxes, etc.
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08-07-2019, 07:47 AMAvenger
I recommend that people who do not enjoy msq roulette do something else for XP, as there are many good options as noted above.
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08-07-2019, 07:48 AMAvenger
Hahaha you leave if you don’t get the Praetorium. I never imagined anyone saying that.
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08-07-2019, 08:31 AMDigglesIt's the most xp and there's no downside to doing it if I was already going to be watching TV or reading reddit or something anyways. I've done it as all three roles and none of them require any actual effort in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avenger
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08-07-2019, 08:55 AMRufalus
It has been a problem for its whole 6 years. They learned, they don't design dungeons like that any more, but they can never justify going back to improve the experience of these ones since it detracts from making new content. Band aid fixes were putting massive exp reward on it to bribe old players back into something they really don't want to do, and preventing cutscene skipping so new players do not get left behind.
*Hopefully* now that we have the Trust system they can justify taking some time to add them to Cast/Prae and let new players do it that way, remove the DF option for those duties, remove the roulette, remove the cutscene lock and we never have to suffer doing these ever again apart from newgame+ runs. Increase reward slightly for all other roulettes to compensate for loss of MS roulette so people aren't upset, and now we only need to play fun things. -
08-10-2019, 02:23 AMRivxkobeQuote:
Originally Posted by Halobump
These are literally separate things. The first point is about people who don't need to run it but are complaining they "feel" they need to for the experience, but they don't find it fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halobump
The second is about people who do still need to run it so Trust should be put in so they can do it.
Is this another "do this so we can skip cutscenes again!" thread? Ugh.
Its optional. No one has to run it once they pass it. I run it for EXP and just watch cartoons or youtube or cook while its going.
Anyway, SE is looking into making it a 4-man Trust dungeon anyway, I believe. So we'll see how that goes.
A-about the MSQ Roulette? I'm so confused. What about it would even cause tension? If people are mad people don't want to run it. Well... they are a problem. The people complaining not the people avoiding it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halobump
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08-10-2019, 02:53 AMJWag12787
Aren't they required ONCE when you to the MSQ? After that, you never have to see them again?
I don't get why people queue up, then complain. I utilize the time to switch over laundry, grab dinner, or whatever around the house. Sometimes take the dog out. Especially with The Praetorium (sp?), you have plenty of downtime with cutscenes to work on other things. Read a book?
I mean, or you can simply not queue them. When I started, I was rushed through it. Didn't get to enjoy the story until after the change. Now I run it because a. easy rewards / b. help others complete it / c. plenty of downtime to work on other things.
The tension with MSQ Roulette is solely of their own making, and are people simply looking to create tension. -
08-18-2019, 02:00 AMhynaku
What is point of forcing ones to watch the cutscenes if other just log out and back in to skip them and go on when others is stuck in them. I have bunch screen shots being in cutscenes after ones that skipped them and beat that last boss when your still in cutscene.
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08-18-2019, 04:32 AMArdoxLogin on and off is a bannable offense for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by hynaku
Term of ServiceQuote:
Originally Posted by FF14 Term of Service
As for your question, there's a bunch of other threads with several post were people painstakingly explain what is the point of unskippable cutscenes. I'm going to recommend you to read them.
At this point, I'm pretty sure people complaining are just willfully ignoring what people say because they feel they deserve to get a obnoxious amount of rewards without deserving it.. -
08-20-2019, 01:36 AMhynaku
Castrum Meridianum doesn't give enough exp. Its only think half of what other one gives. They need to make them both give same exp. bonus at the end. Then wouldn't see ones dropping out before the duty even starts.
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08-20-2019, 01:39 AMhynakuI have already reported ones and never seen anything happen to them. I still see same ones that's done it in same roulette.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardox
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08-20-2019, 03:26 AMArdoxHave you spoken to those you have reported to be sure they hadn't receive a warning? How could you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by hynaku
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08-20-2019, 03:30 AMAllooutrick
This is a thing? I love MSQ roulettes. I can level a class and eat dinner.
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08-20-2019, 07:07 PMFrizzeIf the shorter one gave the same exp as the longer one, people would immediately drop when the long one popped. Why spend that much longer in the instance for the same rewards?Quote:
Originally Posted by hynaku
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08-21-2019, 01:22 AMhynakuDo know short one is only 10 minutes shorter and you get 2.5 times less exp. Which is very dumb. How it is now why wouldn't ones no just drop out of the short one if there only there for the exp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frizze
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08-21-2019, 01:25 AMhynakuEasy every time see them in same roulette they do same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardox
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08-22-2019, 03:00 PMaleios_dvsYou know what's better exp for 0 effort? Prae in MSQ roulette. Spam fates... ahaha. People want to help out the sprouts? Then make it 0 extra exp. No rewards. There you go, all the self proclaimed good Samaritans rejoice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raldo
Let's be real. Why would you NOT? CM is less exp for time spent. You drop, take the penalty and do something else, requeue pray for prae. Prae can be done even if you were a lifeless corpse and unless you're the tank or running ahead CM exp is wayyy worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avenger
That's cute. Nah really that's real cute lol. Now do tell us who's actually gotten banned for this and why they wouldn't claim they dc. It's not an offense to have a momentary disruption in connection after all. No wonders most of the community sees these forums as a complete joke. Yikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardox
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08-22-2019, 04:53 PMMisutoraruI would not pretend I am any saints, I run MSQ roulette for reward, but I only run it when I know I have the time, and when I queue for it, I commit to run it regardless CM or Prae. I would not exploit the login logout or, run around the forum justifing leaving a run just because I dont like it. I might not be a saint, but I have self discipline and try to be at least a bit responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by aleios_dvs
If community seeing the forum as a complete joke it is more to do with the kind of people like you, acting like a child. -
08-22-2019, 05:09 PMaleios_dvsAlright buddy. Because it's totally not naive at all to believe that SE are going to ban people for something like this when they can't even control the bot population. They claimed it was bannable. They simply linked the bloody ToS which is vague on purpose. How is that any sort of indicator as to something being bannable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misutoraru
It's seen as a joke because even the most basic of things gets crusaded for or against here and bans are handed out like candy. But yeah you keep on believing it's because of "people like me". It's totally not you trying to shove your own ideals down people throat any chance you get. -
08-22-2019, 09:14 PMMisutoraruThe issue have nothing to do with if SE only act only on evidence that suggest beyond reasonable doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by aleios_dvs
The issue is when a player queue for a duty, it is his/her responsibility to commit to it, things happen, real life issue, everyone can understand it, but dropping out of a duty simply because don’t like it, it is the worst kind of behaviour. Exploiting the system then trying to find excuse to justify it is equally terrible. -
09-17-2019, 09:48 AMmetcaltaGOING AFK MEANS CONTENT IS BAD = FIX ITI would argue that the fact this is "Another" post about the MSQ roulette being painful proves that this is indeed a real concern for many people, and DOES infact require some attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rivxkobe
As you yourself said (as well as many others in this post and others) they queue for this to literally log out and watch TV, that's not PLAYING the game. That's letting the game essentially bot itself as u trickle through it barely paying it any mind. That's bad content design. Just giving us a HUGE reward because they know the content is painful is not really a fix, is it?
I'm not one to just complain and tear peoples posts apart without also suggesting what I would like to see happen so, in my personal opinion, I would just like to either see the dev's shorten the cutscenes, turn some of them into conversations that happen while you are walking from <fight A> to <fight B>, or just simply allow for the scenes to be skipped if everyone already has completed the dungeon. I'm sure some people will argue this would lead to people just kicking the person who is new, or leaving after 15 minutes; but I'm really not sure what other "cheap" dev fixes you could come up with to make the content engaging! It's a boring slog, the dungeons are plain outdated and outmoded at this point. AT the very least they could break Preatorium in half.
{throw in the MSQ trials Garuda Normal/Titan Normal/Ifrit Normal into the mix (I just hate getting those ones when I'm doing leveling roulette feels a waste of the roulette xD)}