Anyone else getting bored of FF14’s repetativeness?

Hi everyone. I’ve played the game since ARR and I absolutely adore the story and world of FF14, but there’s one glaring issue with the game that’s getting more and more apparent as it ages. The combat, jobs and general lack of innovation surrounding them is feeling pretty stifling at this point. When you boil the jobs down, many of them feel like clones or reskins with no customisation or innovation. Obviously it’s an MMO and that dictates how much or little they can really experiment without making jobs unbalanced, but they err so much on the side of familiarity It’s stifling. It just feeling so boring now and it’s really detracting from the game experience for me.

I’m struggling more and more to enjoy the jobs as the game gets older, what do you guys think?

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Hi everyone. I’ve played the game since ARR and I absolutely adore the story and world of FF14, but there’s one glaring issue with the game that’s getting more and more apparent as it ages. The combat, jobs and general lack of innovation surrounding them is feeling pretty stifling at this point. When you boil the jobs down, many of them feel like clones or reskins with no customisation or innovation. Obviously it’s an MMO and that dictates how much or little they can really experiment without making jobs unbalanced, but they err so much on the side of familiarity It’s stifling. It just feeling so boring now and it’s really detracting from the game experience for me.

I’m struggling more and more to enjoy the jobs as the game gets older, what do you guys think?

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Even if they made a job totally unique...it's still be repetitive. You'd still be doing the same thing every day with that job.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Even if they made a job totally unique...it's still be repetitive. You'd still be doing the same thing every day with that job.

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The fact that that homogenize the jobs more (Healers + Tanks mainly) only makes the combat even more stale.
Before the mob comes a running...I am more bored than not with the game. You can only blame it being a theme park.
New patch? Throw wide the flood gates only for me to play for like a month and leave for 3-6 months at a time.
I'm okay with that for the most part.

Combat for me is the real kicker. It's because the core of the battle system is so dated, you can only do so much
with it. That's when I just unsub and play other stuff. All you can do really.

MMOs are repetitive my default. Considering they've been my main source of entertainment for 12+ years or so I guess it just doesn't bother me.

OP, I mean this in the nicest way possible, but it’s very possible that MMOs just aren’t for you. MMOs, by their very nature, are extremely repetitive. It’s also possible that you may just need a break from this particular game. ESO, while not nearly as good, is a fantastic alternative to this game if you haven’t tried it yet.

Anything can become stale and repetitive when played a lot, obviously, but that’s why the devs should be looking to innovate and experiment more. Sure, it may be riskier than walking the well trodden path, but how else do we get exciting new things? ARR itself was the product of such risk taking and innovation.

However, they can’t expect to ride the coat tails of that epic turnaround forever. It’s been over half a decade now, and it’s barely changed, it’s getting really, REALLY stale. Sure there will always be people white knighting and kissing the ground the devs walk on, but that won’t bring about any change you know?

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Originally Posted by Diggles

OP, I mean this in the nicest way possible, but it’s very possible that MMOs just aren’t for you. MMOs, by their very nature, are extremely repetitive. It’s also possible that you may just need a break from this particular game. ESO, while not nearly as good, is a fantastic alternative to this game if you haven’t tried it yet.

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Thank you for putting it in a civil way! I’m definitely not a hardcore MMO player, so that’s also something to consider. However I’ve played this game for so long and frequently I feel that makes up for it a bit. I just don’t want this game to get staler and staler.

What would you suggest they do to spice it up?

I think you said as much in your own OP but because it's an MMO some things are harder to do, like they could just entirely redesign every job every expansion but could you imagine the chaos? "Oh yeah Paladin is DD, Warrior is Healer, Dark Knight is a limited job, and we've removed combos" = fire, so much fire lol (hyperbole just for fun ;)). So there are some strict chains for both balance and also risk of just ripping the carpet from underneath people who do enjoy something. . . creating the recipe for a calamity.

You mentioned job specifically so it's not a content issue per say? Just more that the jobs are feeling a bit too known? Maybe their next job could spin that a bit, depending on what you're looking for? I'm pretty happy with the evolution of the jobs I've played so far (lots of Paladin), but I've not played all of them yet, and I don't really love all the jobs but I do like most of them and love a few of them (like I don't dislike monk but I only level it because "I can", I'd rather play some other jobs, but that's obviously my opinion lol).

Personally I think they have some room to play with jobs in differing styles of play like mage tank (golbez/ex-death?), and "constructing"/building job (perhaps creating aether structures on the field like a magical engineer), maybe a heavy area/spacial awareness job (like classic geomancer concepts), a physical healer or a healer that has a lot of combative aggressive properties (semi-related self post), and a job that morphs and shifts play styles over it's rotation with some light mechanics that shift the rotation of forms itself on top of that (another self post lol).

On the new jobs I feel Dancer is pretty cool addition to the system and does something a bit different, and while Gunbreaker seems interesting I've only played it like 20 minutes total so I don't really want to comment on that. What did you think of them?

Since I mentioned two self posts may as well complete the self posts theme, XD, with that I had originally thought of a tank mage inspired by geomancer and golbez who wields two large aetheryte shaped weapons that hover behind them and their gameplay consists of planting, buildings, and utilizing different effects of their pylons (then with gunbreaker released I figured tank isn't going to happen anytime soon.. so trying to imagine it as a damage dealer now hehe).

Or is it you're looking for new systems not really a new job? I've wondered if they could ever bring back the dismemberment system from 1.0 (on some monsters you could target specific parts of the body with certain skills, to get certain drops and/or mess up certain skills). Not sure how it'd be brought back so it wasn't "spam X until broken though" lol and so probably not a good fit for normal combat; however, I feel it might work really well with more monster hunter like content (like our cross over). There the monsters would be designed around the concept and so it's not always on but certain monsters behave more like an ARPG (everything has direction / dodge cases, position of damage being important, etc). Perhaps a new open world content that can be done solo and small groups, like Monster Hunter :D.

Try a more sandbox MMO instead of a Themepark MMO like FFXIV is.
There are sandbox games that let you create a class using lists of specializations and skills to pick and choose from.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Anything can become stale and repetitive when played a lot, obviously, but that’s why the devs should be looking to innovate and experiment more. Sure, it may be riskier than walking the well trodden path, but how else do we get exciting new things? ARR itself was the product of such risk taking and innovation.

However, they can’t expect to ride the coat tails of that epic turnaround forever. It’s been over half a decade now, and it’s barely changed, it’s getting really, REALLY stale. Sure there will always be people white knighting and kissing the ground the devs walk on, but that won’t bring about any change you know?

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I understand your view, but I appreciate the game for what it is. I am a new player, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I come from WoW where they do the opposite and try to reinvent the wheel each expansion and it’s frustrating as hell (and one of the reasons why I ultimately left it for good). You will have abilities and game systems that are only relevant for a single expansion cycle before there’s a good chance that the way your favorite class/spec is played is shaken up again. It’s very irritating having to relearn your class each new expansion and wondering if you’ll get to even keep your favorite abilities.

They do the same thing with other things introduced to the game. Gardening was a thing introduced and touted as a major feature in Mists of Pandaria, and it was never used again after that. Their game design philosophy is AWFUL and just all over the place. I appreciate this game and knowing that they aren’t going to try to reinvent each class every expansion. Familiarity is comforting.

It honestly just sounds like you need a break. I’d recommend stepping away from the game for a few months. Come back for the next major patch and you’ll probably be surprised at how enjoyable it is again. This advice is coming from someone with 20 years of MMO experience =]

I think that this is the problem with most MMOS. They're repetitive.
FFXIV is not the type of game that I can play for a long time, it's usually 3-months, a huge gap and then back at it usually at the end of the expac when I pretty much forgot how to play and learn again hah.

To be honest, FFXIV improves and changes things, but it's usually bit-by-bit, they make a system, get feedback, do something more or less similar, get more feedback, and step by step. I think that this is better than trying to re-invent the wheel every expac or patch, but it is less exciting I guess.

I would like to see things such as different builds, specializations or even some sort of customization within FFXIV jobs. I don't really see they doing it though. FFXIV focus on delivering some sort of balance and when you do that, you kinda compromise a lot of other possibilities on the long run.

I guess that's how these games are (even those that are not themeparks, I loved RO but you can't really say that the combat was... well, complex), if you're looking for a deep gameplay I would suggest something that is not a MMO. Because you can't really get this from this genre.

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Originally Posted by Diggles

I understand your view, but I appreciate the game for what it is. I am a new player, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I come from WoW where they do the opposite and try to reinvent the wheel each expansion and it’s frustrating as hell (and one of the reasons why I ultimately left it for good). You will have abilities and game systems that are only relevant for a single expansion cycle before there’s a good chance that the way your favorite class/spec is played is shaken up again. It’s very irritating having to relearn your class each new expansion and wondering if you’ll get to even keep your favorite abilities.

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I definitely see your point. I think they could try to strike a balance though maybe? Not reinvent the wheel sort of level, but at least try to make it feel more engaging? That’s just my view anyway.

Yeah I definitely have been taking bigger breaks from it recently, but instead of coming back feeling super refreshed and excited, I just feel that same pang of boredness I guess? The familiarity may be comforting to a lot of people but I suppose I just prefer more varied and unexpected experiences.

This game is interesting in the sense that it kind of bridges two pretty different intersections of gamers, many people who play the game primarily out of love for the FF series more than the MMO genre, and vice versa. And of course there’s players who enjoy both like me. That’s why I’m so invested in this game and for me it’s extra painful trying to take a break as I adore the game as a FF fan and also a fan of MMO’s. I just wish there was a bit more variability and change in the combat, some risk taking instead of doubling down on playing it safe and resorting to homogeny you know? Even the graphics and character customisation have barely been touched, if at all. It’s all these factors that are contributing to this general feeling of staleness I suppose.

I'd say it's been made worse with this expansion, and that's quite an accomplishment.

But that's just how this game is and I've accepted that years ago. I'm here for the story mostly.

Part of the issue is, to bring about a 'big change' like you may want, it'd require the rework of the base, failure 1.0 game code that much of the basis of the current game is rooted in. And reworking THAT mess means it most likely cannot be done in isolated, controlled segments and it has to be done all at once.

So now you have a conundrum. On one hand, yes, the game has a predictable cycle and could become quite stale. On the other hand, it's an actively updated, constantly given content cycle that the players have come to expect, want, and demand. If you want the change, the base must be updated/scrapped and remade, but to do that, they have to stop the current content cycle (meaning we have nothing new) for possibly months to divert the devs to that monumental task. And let's not even add the need to test, plan, implement, and the maint time it may take to do so (easily a 72+ hour maint window honestly, and that's being naive about how the development works and is implemented to live servers).

I don't see the upper management giving Yoshi-P the OK to do that, either. It's one thing to have a content drought due to a major expansion coming up, but to have one to update the base code would inevitable lead to unsubscribes, even if they plan to come back, and having to probably get MORE management and devs to do the rework. They'd have to put upfront money and hope for a payout in the future. Would it increase stability, allow innovation and better expansion in the years to come? Sure. Will that pay off for them? Honestly I dunno, and that's probably why they won't do it unless it's in hard evidence and can be proven that doing so will not only pay off the upfront costs but also incur acceptable profit.

Yes.

I have personally found that I don't enjoy the repetitive nature of the game's content at all. I do like playing with friends, and I like the main story. So every patch I get caught up on the new story stuff, do the new dungeons only once or twice, and play some normal-mode raids with my small FC friends on the weekends.

Repeating the expert roulette 5-6 times a week for the same dungeons for half a year, as well as attempting to farm EX fights is terrible, and so I just stopped doing them some time ago. I still love the game, I just don't play every day. And I get to play some of the other 100 games that come out every year too.

At this point you know what you are getting with FF14.... wishing it was something else isn't going to change the product.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I'd say it's been made worse with this expansion, and that's quite an accomplishment.

But that's just how this game is and I've accepted that years ago. I'm here for the story mostly.

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Yeah I think I’ll have to resign myself to just playing it for the story too. That’s whats mostly kept me playing the game tbh, before it was the thrill of unlocking new classes and trying them out, but that of course wears out very fast. If the story wasn't so great I’d have likely stopped playing permanently even.

Just thought I’d also clarify something: FF14 is definitely very successful right now, and that’s fantastic. I’m just sharing my perspective as a veteran player. I totally get how this game is incredibly fun and stimulating to many newer players, or familiar and just great for a lot of other vets, but I’m just sharing my view as another type of player who, yes, loves this game and the impact it’s had on my life in a positive way, but am concerned about it’s future unless we see any indicators of change.

If the game were to change to the extent that it's no longer boring every 6 months gameplay wise, at that point it's not the same game anymore.

I'm not playing this for it to turn into BDO 1 patch, Tera the next, wow the patch after that, age of conan after that.

I like xivs gameplay. It's why I'm still here. That and the story. Changing that would make this not the game I signed up for anymore.


I've never unsubbed, been here since 2.0s launch, and much of 1.0, including the beta, all of 2.0s alphas and betas.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Thank you for putting it in a civil way! I’m definitely not a hardcore MMO player, so that’s also something to consider. However I’ve played this game for so long and frequently I feel that makes up for it a bit. I just don’t want this game to get staler and staler.

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ESO IS one for you to check out, as long as you don't bother with endgame.

The meta makes the builds very homogenized to the point some people feel class doesn't matter much.

But if you are a casual player you can customize your build in all sorts of insane ways. Since I didn't do content that involved meta I created a build to maximize the perks of being an Argonian dps, for example (jewelry boosting the benefits of potions, sets that returned mana with potions etc)

The combat is also a mix of hot bar and action.

As a palate cleanser for FFXIV I find it works well. Just don't expect this game's level of polish.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Hi everyone. I’ve played the game since ARR and I absolutely adore the story and world of FF14, but there’s one glaring issue with the game that’s getting more and more apparent as it ages. The combat, jobs and general lack of innovation surrounding them is feeling pretty stifling at this point. When you boil the jobs down, many of them feel like clones or reskins with no customisation or innovation. Obviously it’s an MMO and that dictates how much or little they can really experiment without making jobs unbalanced, but they err so much on the side of familiarity It’s stifling. It just feeling so boring now and it’s really detracting from the game experience for me.

I’m struggling more and more to enjoy the jobs as the game gets older, what do you guys think?

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Xiv is comfort food. You return to it once in a while precisely because it's always familiar and reliably good.

If you have it every day for years you'll get sick of our.

I'm actually enjoying the combat more now that it (to me) flows better, story was great, I haven't ran out of things to do. Tell me, what other mmo DOESNT repeat the formula that works for them? wow? same thing eq? same thing eso? same thing lotr? same thing. Don't act surprised

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Hi everyone. I’ve played the game since ARR and I absolutely adore the story and world of FF14, but there’s one glaring issue with the game that’s getting more and more apparent as it ages. The combat, jobs and general lack of innovation surrounding them is feeling pretty stifling at this point. When you boil the jobs down, many of them feel like clones or reskins with no customisation or innovation. Obviously it’s an MMO and that dictates how much or little they can really experiment without making jobs unbalanced, but they err so much on the side of familiarity It’s stifling. It just feeling so boring now and it’s really detracting from the game experience for me.

I’m struggling more and more to enjoy the jobs as the game gets older, what do you guys think?

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Go ask Ion Hazzikostas how all the "innovation" has been going for him and his dev team.

Yep, we need a warrior of darkness to break the stasis energy/light that has engulfed Eulmore Fantasy XIV, to free us from the gameplay/lore meols from Vauthry-P.

I love it. As a RP'er, i usually make my own content anyways xD.

Nope, I’m not

It's healthy for people to be constructively critical of a game, but it sounds like this is a case of 'repetitive' for one person being 'consistency' for another. They're obviously willing to try and mix things up (Shared FATES/role quests/Eureka/ect) so I'd imagine it's more them trying to walk that innovation/business safe line and having to work with the technical framework they've built. Like other's have said, MMOs are always going to have some element of grind to them regardless if they're a sandbox or theme park so it comes down to how you want to spend that time. People who engage with all the crafting/gathering or role playing/decorating may have more to do then someone who comes to run through story and start raiding.

It's also okay to unsubscribe for a time if you feel you're not having fun. Better to engage with the content you do enjoy rather then struggle through stuff you don't.

And offer that constructive feedback. We know that the devs do listen although they may not be as vocal as some people would like, but the more constructive feedback (not positive, but critique presented in a constructive way) the devs can present, the more they can push for more things in budgets or design risks. The more specifics they can point at and say "we can quantify x, y, and z changes because of this..." the more likely they are to get it rather then mounds and mounts of posts saying "OMG this is trash!"

No, i'm never bored of this amazing game. <3
The job changes are even better than before and i'm having lots of fun!

Play something else. That is the advice I can give anyone who get's bored of games that are basically endless. Sometimes people just need a change and that's okay you can always come back later :)

The combat in this game is dull and lacking in fluidity, it's one of the worst on the mmo market. The whole weaving thing is terrible, it's basically like if you were playing an FPS and you're using an assault riffle but in between the bullets coming out of the barrel you try to punch them in the face real quick. If you suggest improvement to anything regarding FFXIV, the hardcore fanboy playerbase will shut you down and say "the game is not for you."

WoW did not die because unbalanced or whatever, it died because people got tired of it being t he same thing every expansion. Its combat didn't become more modern and its graphics remained stale. Just like WoW, FFXIV refuse to improve, it's going to slowly die as games with better combat, graphics, and content come out, just like WoW.

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Originally Posted by Xyr

The combat in this game is dull and lacking in fluidity, it's one of the worst on the mmo market. The whole weaving thing is terrible, it's basically like if you were playing an FPS and you're using an assault riffle but in between the bullets coming out of the barrel you try to punch them in the face real quick. If you suggest improvement to anything regarding FFXIV, the hardcore fanboy playerbase will shut you down and say "the game is not for you."

WoW did not die because unbalanced or whatever, it died because people got tired of it being t he same thing every expansion. Its combat didn't become more modern and its graphics remained stale. Just like WoW, FFXIV refuse to improve, it's going to slowly die as games with better combat, graphics, and content come out, just like WoW.

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Why are you even here tho? I mean if you don't enjoy the game that's fine but other people have different taste hence "this game is not for you" It doesn't have to change to your liking when it does fit the taste of many others. Your opinion isn't the only one that matters. Just because you think certain things would be improvements doesn't mean others think the same. Save yourself and us the time by sticking around being a negative person. Leave, play something else, have fun while we have it with this game.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

Why are you even here tho? I mean if you don't enjoy the game that's fine but other people have different taste hence "this game is not for you" It doesn't have to change to your liking when it does fit the taste of many others. Your opinion isn't the only one that matters. Just because you think certain things would be improvements doesn't mean others think the same. Save yourself and us the time by sticking around being a negative person. Leave, play something else, have fun while we have it with this game.

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Because I pay the same amount of money you do to play this game. It's my right to say what I think would be improvements. Right back at you, if you don't like change, feel free to leave.

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Originally Posted by Xyr

Because I pay the same amount of money you do to play this game. It's my right to say what I think would be improvements. Right back at you, if you don't like change, feel free to leave.

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But the combat won't change and you have to accept that, instead you keep whining about it online. Like I get it you pay for this game just to cry about how you don't like how it plays. That's one of the most pathetic things I've read for a long time. I'm not saying you can't suggest what you would like in the game but an adult should come to terms with what is realistic and what is not.

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Originally Posted by Xyr

Because I pay the same amount of money you do to play this game. It's my right to say what I think would be improvements. Right back at you, if you don't like change, feel free to leave.

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I've played action mmos. The "ooooo shiny" factor wore off after a month or so, and I found the bosses and encounters more boring, and the combat got just as same after awhile. Tera was one that got old pretty quickly.

Also, I was under the impression that the reason wow is failing isn't because it hasn't changed, but because it's changed too much.

I've been playing since ARR beta - so about 6 years by now - and I actually appericiate the game for staying the same as its core!
I like the general way the combat works and I especially like that I dont need to re-learn the whole game every two years (assuming they'd completly change the combat-system etc. with each expansion).

Everything can get boring after a while, but thats why I play different games in between or at the same time. But I always like to return "home" and find that I still know how my job works and that with one job down its easy to identify how similar jobs might play - I main a paladin and tonight I set up my level 70 warrior to be the next job I'll take to 80. While putting the skills on my hotbar I could identify which ones I'll use in certain situations instead of the paladin-version which is going to make it much more pleasent to level warrior. But at the same time it didnt seem like just a new skin, but rather a different type of flavour without changing the base-recipe. And I honestly like that, because it allows me to pick things up without investing every waking hour into the game.
Dont get me wrong - I still invest a lot of time into the game and enjoy it, but its nice not to have the feeling that its absolutly hopeless or that you cant leave the game for a few weeks...

At the end of the day I can only say that I liked the basic gameplay back in ARR because its a kind of gameplay I enjoy (or learned to enjoy back then...) - and I still enjoy it today. I dont want this basic gameplay to change and I dont understand why people seem to request that at times and seem to want FFXIV turn into a completly different type of game. The logic there escapes me. If I want to play something that is extremly different from FFXIV, I pick up a different game from a different genre.

I enjoy this game a lot and I get the idea of it being repetitious. (Fun fact, I've counted 3 "pick some flowers" quests in ShB so far).
If you've been playing pretty consistently since ARR, You might just be a bit burnt out. You start to notice certain patterns a lot easier when you engage in a media for long enough.
Maybe you just need a break with something completely different for awhile? That way maybe noticing the patterns will be less glaring.

It seems unlikely that patterns and repetition will change as it's much easier to create content on a schedule with a formula. But since you love the game, maybe a break will help keep you around despite how you feel about it now.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Hi everyone. I’ve played the game since ARR and I absolutely adore the story and world of FF14, but there’s one glaring issue with the game that’s getting more and more apparent as it ages. The combat, jobs and general lack of innovation surrounding them is feeling pretty stifling at this point. When you boil the jobs down, many of them feel like clones or reskins with no customisation or innovation. Obviously it’s an MMO and that dictates how much or little they can really experiment without making jobs unbalanced, but they err so much on the side of familiarity It’s stifling. It just feeling so boring now and it’s really detracting from the game experience for me.

I’m struggling more and more to enjoy the jobs as the game gets older, what do you guys think?

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Sounds like you need a break from the game. When I start feeling like I need to step away for whatever reason, and it happens usually every 3 to 6 months for me, I'll take a break for a couple months and play other games in my backlog.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Also, I was under the impression that the reason wow is failing isn't because it hasn't changed, but because it's changed too much.

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It's complicated. WoW had to change because the market for MMOs is so much different than when WoW was first released back in ... 2006? You have to remember that before WoW most MMOs were sandboxes, and WoW started that heavy transition from predominantly sandbox gameplay to themepark gameplay. So there was a bunch of stuff in vanilla WoW that needed to change. Also just QoL improvements. There were no quest markers - you had to actually read the quests. There were no markers above enemies to indicate it was a quest enemy, you had to read the quests. Adventuring could easily kill you so you had to group up with people spontaneously to survive (something which I love and is something I love about ESO making it more social a game than both FFXIV and WoW).

But there are some changes that were not so good, like the implementation of the huge emphasis on RNG for loot, which makes it clear Blizz devs don't ever want you to stop playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I've played action mmos. The "ooooo shiny" factor wore off after a month or so, and I found the bosses and encounters more boring, and the combat got just as same after awhile. Tera was one that got old pretty quickly.

Also, I was under the impression that the reason wow is failing isn't because it hasn't changed, but because it's changed too much.

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Certainly not. What has changed in WoW? 99% QoL stuff. The art didn't change, they are still using the crap from 2006, it's just rendered in 10x more. The combat changed? Nope. The raids and dungeons changed? Certainly not, the boss names might be different and have different models but the the mechanics are the same. WoW is failing because the core of the game didn't change and it's just too old. Just like FFXIV, there are plenty of people in WoW that still plays because they enjoy the old unchanging style. But what else beyond that? It can't attract newer players because it doesn't have modern gamestyle, so as more and more players leave because it's getting old, it began to fail.

If you've been playing a whole lot you might be experiencing "MMO burnout". Its very common in every MMO ever because they tend to be repetitive and you (well, at least I) can end up spending tons of time in them without really noticing. I'd try to take a break from the game and come back in awhile. I play a lot so I burn out a lot. Quitting and coming back always works for me.