Problem with Requiem For Heroes post 5.0 (SCH) Damage too low

Basically, my damage is too low. I cannot drop the three swords in time. I have full 385HQ crafted gear on.

All we have is Bio and Broil2, with Ruin2 when we're moving. The AOEs mean you're moving a lot in that one. I just cannot do enough damage to the three swords.

Full disclosure: I am old and retired and don't have a quick brain or reflexes or mad skills.

The swords appear. I have tried:

1) DoT first, DoT second, activate +10% Crit and burn it down, DoT third burn it down, go back to first - too late.

2) DoT all 3, activate 10% Crit, start burning them down. Fail with about 30%+ left on final sword.

I can't just stand there and use Broil2 owing to nasty orange circles and Ruin2 is not giving me the damage needed.

I have failed this duty more than 6 times now. I know what I need to do, I just cannot do it with my old arsenal missing.

I did this quest pre 5.0 with PLD, WAR and SCH (yes, I run a lot of alts)

Last time I did it with SCH we had Bio, Miasma, Miasma2, Broil, Ruin2, Shadowflare, Energy Drain, Cleric Stance and the Crit Buff plus potential minor buffing from Selene....

Did anyone at SE test the old HW/SB solo quests with 5.0 characters?

I cannot be the only old duffer that needs more damage output for this quest :cool:

Don’t waste time on DoTs the swords die in like 3 broils so you’ll only get 2-3 tics of bio which amounts to around 120 potency, less than ruin 2. You can also ignore the AoEs, you’re a healer excogitation and eos is more than enough to power through, unless you’re standing in multiple AoEs then swiftcast broil while you move.

Other than that, upgrade your gear, you can go up to i400 with tome gear from rhalgr’s upgraded by coins from the ivalice Raid and spam a bit of O4 normal for the weapon tomestone. That’s a lot of extra MND and secondary stats, not to mention the extra magic damage from an upgraded weapon to increase your damage dealt. You shouldn’t need to do this but if your damage is too low then it is an option available to you.

Ilvl 385 is actually a bit low. Most players did that quest with gear between 390 and 400.

You can buy every ilvl 400 gear for poetics now in rhalgars, including the upgrade tokens.
You need 600 poetics for the ilvl 400 weapon, which is the most important gear.

Also if you fail often enough, you get an echo buff, if i´m not mistaken.

I'll be honest - even with all the advice you both gave, I could not do it. I switched to my DRG (il375) alt class and did it easily with that. I just could not get enough damage from the SCH to kill the three swords in time even with just using Broils.

Maybe my target changes were just not quick enough, but I hit TAB for the next target as soon as each sword died and still failed. (It was faster than mouse-clicking the enmity list)

Thank you for all your assistance, but I think old SCHs like me need help for old solo instances like that now. ;)

Healers in general don't do a ton of damage anymore (ok, maybe except WHM now with their multiple high potency spells), especially Sch unless you have crit out the wazoo and even then you're pressed cause you have to be stationary so often and Ruin 2 doesn't make up the difference enough comparably to make ends meet.

The healer questline in ShB won't ask a high amount of damage from you luckily, but good luck doing some of those MSQ instances as a healer anymore. Make use of your SMN half if you must is all I can say unfortunately.

The OP is right the class changes have had major effects on some classes. My wife plays dragoon she is Ilvl 385 with a mix of i380/i390.she is reaching the final sword with 90+ on the gauge. Thats with melds, pots,food, echo and a solid rotation she still cant get passed it, we are considering just using a story boost to skip it completely.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

The OP is right the class changes have had major effects on some classes. My wife plays dragoon she is Ilvl 385 with a mix of i380/i390.she is reaching the final sword with 90+ on the gauge. Thats with melds, pots,food, echo and a solid rotation she still cant get passed it, we are considering just using a story boost to skip it completely.

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Even at i385, it feels a little low. If it's a bit hard consider spending some Poetics on the i400 gear and weapon. Overall iLv doesn't amount to much if it's just one piece that's holding you back, so it's best to make sure everything is up to date.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Even at i385, it feels a little low. If it's a bit hard consider spending some Poetics on the i400 gear and weapon. Overall iLv doesn't amount to much if it's just one piece that's holding you back, so it's best to make sure everything is up to date.

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You cant buy i400 with poetics. You have to buy i390 then run 24 mans for the upgrades. You cant buy just the i400 itself..

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

You cant buy i400 with poetics. You have to buy i390 then run 24 mans for the upgrades. You cant buy just the i400 itself..

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You can buy i400 upgrades with poetics.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

You can buy i400 upgrades with poetics.

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Ok, got confused here. When and looked again I had glanced over the upgrade mats. My mistake on this one..

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Where cause not a single vendor I have found does it...would you like screen shots.

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Sure

https://i.imgur.com/kIvCbSx.png

Rhalgr's reach, talk to Enna and select the Other category

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Even at i385, it feels a little low. If it's a bit hard consider spending some Poetics on the i400 gear and weapon. Overall iLv doesn't amount to much if it's just one piece that's holding you back, so it's best to make sure everything is up to date.

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You guys have to stop saying 385 is low for this. It was fine in 370 ish gear on sch. Did it on an alt with time to spare before 5.0. The advice of grinding you ilvl up is sound, just undermining the fact there could be a greater issue here.

Would be nice to get more input on this from the sch perspective since the changes. If it’s at all possible, maybe just take the damage m from the aoe instead of running about (I can’t remember if it’s fatal or if there’s a vuln stack or what). Since you have no other use for your af stacks you can just ogcd heal yourself as you nuke the swords. Clipping your gcd with lustrage or excog or whispering dawn should not be as bad a loss as moving around. (Keep dissipation in mind if you need extra stacks)
If the aoes are fatal then it’ll probably be an ilvl grind or have to be done on an alt.

At least that’s what I would try

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Originally Posted by EaMett

You guys have to stop saying 385 is low for this. It was fine in 370 ish gear on sch. Did it on an alt with time to spare before 5.0. The advice of grinding you ilvl up is sound, just undermining the fact there could be a greater issue here.

Would be nice to get more input on this from the sch perspective since the changes. If it’s at all possible, maybe just take the damage m from the aoe instead of running about (I can’t remember if it’s fatal or if there’s a vuln stack or what). Since you have no other use for your af stacks you can just ogcd heal yourself as you nuke the swords. Clipping your gcd with lustrage or excog or whispering dawn should not be as bad a loss as moving around. (Keep dissipation in mind if you need extra stacks)
If the aoes are fatal then it’ll probably be an ilvl grind or have to be done on an alt.

At least that’s what I would try

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I agree I did it in i400/i390 as ast. So my wife playing DPS wearing i390/i385 should with everything I stated be hands down beating be it. I honestly feel it's free much the class changes, it has in advertenly raised the I'll needed to beat it.

Sorry replying mobile so if my posts badly worded that's why

This is not caused by the job changes, period, end of story. I do not buy for a second that SCH cannot do with a 260 potency Broil II what an AST could do with a 220 potency Malefic III in SB.

There are some youtube videos with players who need 4 hits per sword to take them down and they manage to do so with generous downtime for movement and even target selection mishaps.

How many hits do you need per sword? If you cannot manage with 4, can you reduce the number to 3? (this should be easier now with the potency buff to Broil II)

Try: better gear (weapon especially), melding, food, doing the duty several times in a row for Echo.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

This is not caused by the job changes, period, end of story. I do not buy for a second that SCH cannot do with a 260 potency Broil II what an AST could do with a 220 potency Malefic III in SB.

There are some youtube videos with players who need 4 hits per sword to take them down and they manage to do so with generous downtime for movement and even target selection mishaps.

How many hits do you need per sword? If you cannot manage with 4, can you reduce the number to 3? (this should be easier now with the potency buff to Broil II)

Try: better gear (weapon especially), melding, food, doing the duty several times in a row for Echo.

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Go back and do the fight with the changes then speak. I am watching a ilvl 385 drag in mostly 390 food,pots,echo, melds reach the 3rd sword with 90+ on the gauge. Even with all her cds blown she is nowhere near killing a sword in 4 hits.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Go back and do the fight with the changes then speak. I am watching a ilvl 385 drag in mostly 390 food,pots,echo, melds reach the 3rd sword with 90+ on the gauge. Even with all her cds blown she is nowhere near killing a sword in 4 hits.

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No. 220 potency vs 260 potency. Numbers do not lie.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

No. 220 potency vs 260 potency. Numbers do not lie.

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I did it on ast which is my main, I was better geared then the op and still had the the gauge come close 100 when I beat the dps check. You are also ignoring that the op does not have a full tool kit, unlike people who did it pre class changes. My wife has the same problem she without a doubt puts more dps right now then I did back then and she still can't clear it even fully buffed. You can't use numbers when players 70 lack all the numbers.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

I did it on ast which is my main, I was better geared then the op and still had the the gauge come close 100 when I beat the dps check. You are also ignoring that the op does not have a full tool kit, unlike people who did it pre class changes. My wife has the same problem she without a doubt puts more dps right now then I did back then and she still can't clear it even fully buffed. You can't use numbers when players 70 lack all the numbers.

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This duty is in the last quest of Stormblood and is in a quest line literally called "Post-Stormblood". If you have reached this point, you have your full level 70 toolkit unlocked. If not, go unlock it. Also, I don't think ilvl 400 is an unreasonable expectation if the job is not played optimally.

Here is a video of a White Mage doing the swords in 5.0. No echo. Stones required: 3, 4, 3 and 83 gauge remaining with generous downtime, as I said. https://youtu.be/4lHkMkf25EY?t=798

You could argue that the DPS check is too tight and is blocking players from progressing, but that is a whole different story. All I said in my first post is this: the duty was successfully completed regularly during Stormblood with weaker abilities, therefore the job changes are not causing this issue.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

This duty is in the last quest of Stormblood and is in a quest line literally called "Post-Stormblood". If you have reached this point, you have your full level 70 toolkit unlocked. If not, go unlock it. Also, I don't think ilvl 400 is an unreasonable expectation if the job is not played optimally.

Here is a video of a White Mage doing the swords in 5.0. No echo. Stones required: 3, 4, 3 and 83 gauge remaining with generous downtime, as I said. https://youtu.be/4lHkMkf25EY?t=798

You could argue that the DPS check is too tight and is blocking players from progressing, but that is a whole different story. All I said in my first post is this: the duty was successfully completed regularly during Stormblood with weaker abilities, therefore the job changes are not causing this issue.

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Apparently you did read the part where I said I am watching a 70 dragoon in i385 out dps my ast when it was i395. Yet the dragoon still can't down the fight. Class changes do have and effect and it varies from one class to a other. Whm were also one the least changed classes.

Last shadowbringer hands you i395 as you level!! Why give that if i400 is needed for the end of stormblood? Makes people who boost don't need it, cause it's catch up gear for those who didn't get i400..

Done posting here for now on mobile and tired auto correct screwing my posts up. Feel free to reply I'll get back them in a soon as I am at comp

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Apparently you did read the part where I said I am watching a 70 dragoon in i385 out dps my ast when it was i395. Yet the dragoon still can't down the fight. Class changes do have and effect and it varies from one class to a other. Whm were also one the least changed classes.

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I did not respond to your anecdote because it's irrelevant, but if you insist... DRG also received buffs to their basic combo to account for the loss of the piercing debuff. Your dps comment does not compute, it's mathematically impossible for lower dps to clear but higher dps not to. Obviously you measured this outside, but it has zero relevance inside this specific duty because the DRG has to move into melee range. The biggest dps loss in this duty is moving to the next target, so what the DRG needs to do is: save their two Dive abilities and use them to jump to the next sword instead of wasting precious time walking.

So I find myself repeating the same thing again: this duty was completed successfully and regularly with weaker abilities during Stormblood.
If you think the duty needs to be made easier, I have no problem with that. But do not say that job changes are the issue, because they are simply not.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Last shadowbringer hands you i395 as you level!! Why give that if i400 is needed for the end of stormblood? Makes people who boost don't need it, cause it's catch up gear for those who didn't get i400..

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I said it is not an unreasonable expectation when the job is played suboptimally, not that it's required. I'm merely offering a suggestion that might help.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

I did not respond to your anecdote because it's irrelevant, but if you insist... DRG also received buffs to their basic combo to account for the loss of the piercing debuff. Your dps comment does not compute, it's mathematically impossible for lower dps to clear but higher dps not to. Obviously you measured this outside, but it has zero relevance inside this specific duty because the DRG has to move into melee range. The biggest dps loss in this duty is moving to the next target, so what the DRG needs to do is: save their two Dive abilities and use them to jump to the next sword instead of wasting precious time walking.

So I find myself repeating the same thing again: this duty was completed successfully and regularly with weaker abilities during Stormblood.
If you think the duty needs to be made easier, I have no problem with that. But do not say that job changes are the issue, because they are simply not.



I said it is not an unreasonable expectation when the job is played suboptimally, not that it's required. I'm merely offering a suggestion that might help.

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Outside of not using drives to jump, my wife is using 5.0 rotations written by dragoons. She looked up a 5.0 rotation guide and practiced them to get them down. She is melded,potted,food ,echod when she goes in. If anyone did the fight sub optimal it was me I did it no melds,no food,no pots, no echo. Only 10 ilvls above her and I am not the only one. She is doing what everyone at her ilvl or lower did that beat it. Buffs like nerfs are meaningless especially if the dev's mess with other parts of the class that effect its dps. Ast is a prime example of numbers dont mean crap on paper, Ast plays great up to and little beyond 70. But soon as you hit 80 reality of just how grossly undertuned and ill thought out the changes SE made becomes apparent. The reverse of this can also happen where class plays and performs like garbage at low levels but improves as it gets higher all cause of how the class was handled.

Prior to 5.0 ilvl 400 could not be obtained outside of raiding. Not everyone raids nor should they be EXPECTED too. I welcome help, but from what I am seeing the buffs mean little to nothing and she has no choice but to go full i400. Honestly its starting to feel like SE is going force everyone to raid and wear the best gear avalible just to complete the MSQ. I am done though this has gone off topic..