So... I've been leveling my DNC through Beast Tribe quests and today I almost got myself killed again, because I misjudged how close passive mobs were when attempting to use Standard Finish.
Finishes are AoE and you have no control over this, but yet they give a large damage increase and they deal a lot of damage themselves.
Could we please get a tweak so that the AoE nature of Finishes will only hit targets that we already have threat on?
EDIT: Either that, or give us a stance-like buff, maybe something like "Private Performance" or something that makes Finishes only deal damage to your currently targeted enemy (if there is one).
DNC Steps: Uncontrollable AoEs are bad.
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07-12-2019, 06:27 AMMaekaDNC Steps: Uncontrollable AoEs are bad.
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07-12-2019, 06:48 AMArchwizardAre... are you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
... Are you saying you want to lap dance the enemy to death? -
07-12-2019, 07:34 AMRaldo
Yeah, 15-yalms is like... huge. Why is it so big? Standard AOEs are 5~8y, why are finishes 15y?
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07-12-2019, 08:31 AMYanderePrincessYes, please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Archwizard
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07-12-2019, 08:33 AMYanderePrincessWhile I can understand the annoyance, that solution isn't needed when situational awareness is enough. Plus, that "solution" wouldn't work. If finishes only hit targets we already have threat on, then starting a fight off with standard finish would always miss, but that's the best way to start a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
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07-12-2019, 08:33 AMMaekaIf I'm not mistaken, earlier I tried to fight a pugil next to a mudstone for a Ananta quest, and I wound up hitting another pugil that was outside of aggro range. It's so ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raldo
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07-12-2019, 08:39 AMMaekaThen do the stance option then, which you could turn on or off.Quote:
Originally Posted by YanderePrincess
But having a 15y mandatory AoE is ridiculous, because a lot of times you don't HAVE 15y around you when you fight stuff for some of these quests because they like to stick tons of passive mobs around them. -
07-12-2019, 10:57 AMLegoTechnicI don't seem to have this problem as a SMN, and like half its kit is AoE. Just remember to drag your mob off to the side before you shoot your phoenix fireblast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
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07-12-2019, 11:25 AMEspThis here is true. You can always drag you opponent away from other mobs before using Standard finish. I'll admit this doesn't always work though, in like FATEs for example, since FATE mobs tend to link even if one is pulled sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegoTechnic
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07-12-2019, 12:33 PMRongwayThe vast majority of FATE mobs don’t link, actually. There are a few cases of boss FATEs where the minis will link to the boss, but it’s not typical FATE behavior. In most cases you can pull one to the edge of the circle and kill it in relative safety. Even better, figure out the repop point and drag a mob there. Then you can just keep killing the one mob over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esp
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07-12-2019, 12:36 PMSeoulstarI mean..they would die happy..right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Archwizard
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07-12-2019, 02:13 PMUnaki
Honestly sounds like you need to re-examine the job's kit and look at its identity. Your solution is an answer to a problem that just doesn't exist for most people. Stand further back, learn how to judge distance. You are NOT a melee.
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07-12-2019, 02:18 PMKurando
Sounds like BRD/MCH players using Peloton (or Foe Req) in Eureka and then complaining you pulled something that wasn't intended.... like one of those sleeping dragons! Just be aware of your environment, goes for any job really.
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07-12-2019, 04:39 PMXelanar
I agree on how it can be annoying to have this huge AoE during single target combat.
But honestly I saw this as something I have to work around or keep an eye on instead of something that needed to be changed.
Having to keep track of my surroundings as dancer to me felt as 'part of the job'. -
07-12-2019, 05:13 PMAnimaAnimus
That's why we have En Avant, so we can move quickly and position without missing a beat or you can simply move while you attack since there is nothing that is going to get interrupted. It's all about awareness of ones surroundings, I burned dnc to 70 and did my entire msq on an alt with dnc and never had this happen to me, just need to not get tunnel vision. Things don't need to change just because you cant be bothered to look around or move. Positioning is just as much a part of combat as your rotation.
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07-12-2019, 05:37 PMKDSilver
Move away with your mobs.
Problem solved. -
07-12-2019, 10:08 PMKaiSunstrider
This is only a problem in open world content. Once you do dungeons and trials, you'll be glad that you can hit things from 15 yrds away. Titaniana extreme, I can cleave all 3 Tree adds even though they are spread too far apart for anyone to aoe them. When you get trapped behind the vines, you can still hit boss. It's as if if this job was intended to be a "ranged dps". Its crazyness. I don't have to be in melee range for every thing I do!?
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07-12-2019, 11:24 PMXenociderOmega
I have leveled all the way up to 80 and I have yet to put extra stuff using finisher. Learn to control your dancing zone lol
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07-13-2019, 02:55 AMRivxkobe
I don't seem to have this issue. I seem to be able to appropriate how far the AoE is going to go, and if I'm not sure I just move a bit further away.
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07-14-2019, 01:41 AMSeabhacgra
It's a ranged DPS class.. I sincerely APPRECIATE that the AOE's are larger because it means I can stay more at range like the class is meant to be.....ranged DPS. People just need to learn better awareness and skill and pull mobs away. And if you pull more mobs, pop yer Devilment and shield dance and burn them down. My only issue with the class is I'd prefer the single target DPS be a little stronger to stay a little more competitive.
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07-14-2019, 02:51 AMReimmiI would appreciate a change to dances, 25Y range for single target, 8Y for the AOE effectQuote:
Originally Posted by Raldo
would make it less likely you can't get a dance on your main target, but also makes pulling extra stuff less likely, and goes with the melee for AOE ranged for single target playstyle -
07-14-2019, 03:59 AMTanker4444Quote:
Originally Posted by Archwizard
And somehow Dancer becomes even better! -
07-14-2019, 06:25 AMTaikugemu
That's a complete non-issue, just be aware of your surroundings.
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07-14-2019, 08:33 AMWaterShieldThat's a hot mess to work with. It's fine as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reimmi
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07-14-2019, 08:55 AMShurrikhanAre your AoEs triple the normal size and centered around yourself, rather than a given target?Quote:
Originally Posted by LegoTechnic
Is it on mandatory pre-pull or buff maintenance skills?
SMN's situation isn't particularly relevant otherwise. -
07-14-2019, 10:53 AMLiquid_Amnesia
This is only an issue in over-world content, and even then it's incredibly minor if you just have some awareness before hitting your finishing step. Having leveled to 80, I've only pulled an extra mob once or twice. In dungeons & especially EX trials, the 15y range is a godsend. If they lowered it, you'd have to use En Avant more often to position back and forth and then you're out of stacks before you know it. No thank you.