A collaboration between Secret of Mana and FFXIV is something I've been hoping for, for a long time.
The remake of Seiken Densetsu 2 definitely needs some work to fix.
- Flying / Turning with Flammie feels sluggish compared to the SNES. Banking is broken?
- Cannon travel doesn't show us flying through the air
- I can't change the styles of the text boxes
- I miss the sprite's head moving up and down when it laughs
- No online multiplayer
- User Interface breaks if you play at an aspect ratio other than 16:9
- World is empty/black if you play at an aspect ratio other than 16:9
- It would be better to show black bars and lock the the UI than to show it broken at other aspect ratios
- Ring menus no longer center around the characters, instead they are fixed to the center of the screen.
- Current AI for computer controlled allies feels like it needs more options. I wouldn't mind seeing the grid from the SNES come back in some way
- Some menu back grounds are flat black instead of being a sea of endless trees
I could go on, but this isn't the place for it. Granted, Secret of Mana doesn't have a forum to leave feedback on. I'll spare you the rest of that rant.
The point is, I was excited when I heard about the remake, and hope they will go back to fix it. But I also got to thinking that would be a great collaboration opportunity.
For FFXIV, the first thing that comes to mind is that I'd love to see a 3 person white dragon mount that moves/banks like Flammie in the SNES. There is at least 4 (2 original, 2 remake) music themes that could go with it, not counting any spin Sokken might put on it.
What flying Flammie looks like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BhBB9gjLWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF-V7q2LZMs&t=175
Maybe an alternate mount that looks more like the Mana Beast? Nah, that is more like a boss. There is also opportunity for hair styles, weapon glamours (each mana weapon has 8 to 9-ish versions to choose from), and maybe infamous tiger themed gear. You could probably find a housing item or two. Maybe fireworks imitating magic effects from the game. An emote similar to the sprite's exaggerated laugh! There is a lot to choose from.
For Secret of Mana Remake, there is the possibility of DLC for new outfits that currently are only occupied by Moogle and Tiger gear.
The announcement for the Secret of Mana Collection and the Trials of Mana Remake (Seiken Densetsu 3) at E3 2019 once more got my hopes up for a collaboration of this nature. But that isn't all!
- FINAL FANTASY XIV: SHADOWBRINGERS - Dungeon Crawl (2m 29s) - We are treated to a sea of trees and familiar flying fowl.
- Secret of Mana SNES title screen
- Secret of Mana Remake title screen
Maybe it is already happening? I can only hope! Am I alone in wishing for this sort of collaboration?
Secret of Mana Collaboration?
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06-17-2019, 03:09 AMTwinMoonSecret of Mana Collaboration?
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06-17-2019, 06:10 AMMaero
SOM collab would be awesome and far better then some that we have had that are not even related to anything SE
Speaking of which... i should get the secret of mana remake, to add to my long backlog, lol -
06-17-2019, 06:27 AMRyuSaarva
no way, if square can't even bother to remake secret of mana decently without it looking like a phone game.
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06-17-2019, 06:38 AMWhiteArchmage
I'd really like for a Trials of Mana (SD3) collab, really. That game is finally getting a western localization after two decades! I loved it on the Super Famicon
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06-17-2019, 06:39 AMRosenstrauchThe Secret of Mana remake was made for the Vita. It is literally a handheld/phone game.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuSaarva
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06-17-2019, 06:58 AMRyuSaarva
handheld games don't look like ugly phone games.
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06-17-2019, 07:02 AMDrWho2010
if there was a collab they would have announced it already to time with the release of the collection.
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06-17-2019, 11:44 PMTwinMoonI can dream! Let me have my hopes and dreams!Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
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06-18-2019, 12:07 AMTwinMoonYou will either love or hate the new art style. They were facing an up hill battle in converting anything from sprites to 3D models. I think the fact that the mouths don't move with the dialog is more jarring to people. I don't hate the purely emotive idea that they have going on. After all, the game was very expressive with its sprites in the SNES days, but it doesn't feel right to me for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuSaarva
The game is still worth buying. It comes close to giving you your childhood experience, but it isn't quite there yet. If you don't think it is good for full price, then try to watch for it on a steam sale. -
06-18-2019, 01:11 AMShougun
I'd love a SoM collaboration! The new chocobo actually gave me a smooshed flammie feel hahaha (that's not to say I didn't like it, I thought they looked cool and am excited to get one).
Also Chrono Trigger crossover would be neat :3... I know an entire town would be way too much for a simple cross over but I really really want a Zeal like location (I had hoped FFXIV would let me make a personal housing area like that). -
06-18-2019, 05:16 AMTwinMoonYou are more likely to get the Black Omen as a raid if it were a Chrono Trigger collab. Lavos could compete with Omega for the title of "big bad that fell out of the sky and was not Dalamud"Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
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06-18-2019, 05:37 AMCaptainLagbeard
Maybe if they remake Chrono Trigger...
And with how many fans want a Chrono Trigger remake, and there was an actual attempt at parts of a remake Square wouldn't even have to do all the work. -
06-18-2019, 06:27 AMkidalutz
I like all these suggestions I'd also not mind seeing other square or enix nods in the future.
Speaking of Old Square games
Anyone Remember Secret of Evermore, Or Brave Fencer Musashi, Threads of Fate, Radatia Stories wouldnt mind seeing bits of those in XIV -
06-19-2019, 09:38 AMTwinMoonLaser Toaster Dog? Yeah, Cid would definitely be involved some how.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidalutz
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06-19-2019, 09:41 AMInsertcoins
I want a boss named. F.A.T.E with his boss music. >.>
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06-19-2019, 10:24 AMElciaDeiLinus
Secret of Mana was one of my favourite games of all time- on the SNES I only liked FFVI more. As much as I loved it though, if I were to choose something from the SNES I think I'd pick SD3 or Chrono Trigger first. The first because, hey, remake coming and it finally being brought over here, and imo if it had been on the SNES as a child I would have liked it more than SoM. Chrono Trigger is perhaps the more popular choice- and with so many great locations and memorable characters I'd love to see either an Allagan style 'Zeal' fortress, Magus' castle, or even a simple Lavos 'primal' trial. I mean, Lavos was a multiple phase fight, you'd barely have to change a thing.
Flammie mount would be pretty epic too. -
06-19-2019, 10:52 AMWhiteArchmageI... I didn't know I wanted this until now...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus
A Threads of Fate collab would be pretty fun, too. Arc Edge glamour for WAR and Dual Haloes for DNC -
06-19-2019, 04:27 PMBeatrice
Oh my gosh, Secret of Mana on the SNES was such a great game! I remember it just as fondly as I remember Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, and Final Fantasy IV. I haven't touched the remake due to a lot of the problems that it seems to have, but a Flammie mount would be SO DANG AWESOME.
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06-19-2019, 04:38 PMFhaerron
I've been waiting for a colab between this and GTA.
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06-19-2019, 06:33 PMRyuSaarvayeah no because I don't think any of those were ever released in europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidalutz
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06-20-2019, 02:00 AMTwinMoonIt is fated to happen (spoilers if you haven't played Chrono Cross)Quote:
Originally Posted by Insertcoins
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06-20-2019, 04:00 AMInsertcoinsSHHHHHH. People need to question why I spelled F.A.T.E this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinMoon
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06-21-2019, 02:29 AMTwinMoonBut! ...but bad puns beg to be used!Quote:
Originally Posted by Insertcoins
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06-22-2019, 03:24 AMTwinMoon
For everyone who would like to see this sort of collaboration, how do you imagine it taking form?
We have had a lot of collaborations so far, ranging from Dragon Quest to Monster Hunter to FFXV and FFT.
- Single FATE and tokens?
- Multiple FATEs and tokens?
- Instance fights?
- Mog Station / Premium Items?
- Involve lesser FFXIV npcs?
- Involve famous FFXIV npcs? (Godbert? Cid? A reporter? Possibly pixies?)
- Involve SoM npcs? (Watts the blacksmith? Neko the merchant? King Truffle? maybe the elementals? Flammie? There is a large cast.)
- Multipart Story?
- What enemies? (The Mana Beast? The Dark Lich?)
I used to like to think of Hydaelyn as a goddess or representation of the planet, similar to the Goddess of Love in Legend of Mana (Fa diel?). The two might converse about the events going on in their respective worlds. Should a character from one world some how be displaced, they might be shepherded by each world's protagonists back to where they belong.
When in a different world, the characters would adopt the aesthetics of that world, while retaining enough of their own to be identifiable. Flat out bringing the cartoony humans of SoM to the more realistic FFXIV might be a large gap to close without some artistic license.
I'd love to see a multipart story instead of limited seasonal event. Not a 24 man raid kind of story, maybe something more like Eureka. FATEs could include all sorts of iconic enemies from SoM. The forest of seasons is a candidate location as it includes a moogle village as something that could tie the two worlds together. The Pure Land may be viable for all sorts of reasons and offers a connection to the Mana Tree itself.
I'm just trying to get the conversation started. What do you imagine for this sort of collaboration? Be as realistic or unreasonable as you want. Let your imagination run wild! All I ask is that you be respectful of other people's ideas, even if you disagree with them.