BLU tanking in 5.0

I haven't played BLU in a while and in all honestly I'd rather the job get striped out and remade, but...

With the changes to the way Tank stance works for the normal jobs do you think BLU's Mighty Guard will get the same treatment? I think it reduces your damage by what? 40% or something?

Would this even matter if it got the same treatment? Would BLUs still take damage like a toothpick with this skill on? How would they give you the Tank Mastery Trait?

Thoughts?

I imagine if there is any change to the skill it's because they intended to change the skill, perhaps due to feedback, and not because of the changes to tank stance. I don't think they are or should evaluate blue mage as if it was a tank, since its a . . a . . . It's a. . . L-l-limited job. . *sobs*. lol ;)

I think it could be fun to see passives added to blue mage spells though (like FFXI's had). Like Toad Skin increases evasion by X, when you use it it'll add oily skin which increases the potency/adds new interactions with fire magic. Mighty guard increases damage reduction by Y, when used will generate a shield for some Z incredible amount of value for a short period (nearing that HG tier, but lower cooldown/duration for higher skill value when timed well).

Avoiding saying much else since I've made a thread and many posts on what I'd like to change but yeah.. it would be nice for blue mage not to be paper against some of the level appropriate hard content. I was a bit excited for "OP NO WAY TO BALANCE/BROKEN" job although a bit sad about the no DF aspect, but at this time I feel I didn't really get that either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ lol (yet at least).

I am excited to see what they're going to add though, they did mention not only new spells but perhaps new something else.

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Level cap increase and new mechanics for Blue Mage are planned for 5.1.

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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...shida_summary/

I have an impression that (if Mighty Guard would still exist for 5.1) they'd likely remove only the damage penalty from it, otherwise they'd need to have a REALLY good excuse to explain why it should stay there.

If I were in the devs' shoes for Blue Mage though, unless they were going to make a Blue Mage/Limited Job-only duty roulette, I'd likely scrap Mighty Guard completely and buff any defensive spells to compensate.

I don't see why they'd change it.

Mighty Guard has its penalty because it's taking DPS job damage and turning it into Tank job damage.

Thus there's little reason to change Mighty Guard. It's not like it matters given that "BLU Tanking" is essentially just White Wind spam.

The skill is supposed to be a trade off, becoming a makeshift Tank at the cost of being a DPS. Rather than being a superfluous "Stance" that isn't used like with actual Tanks. If the 70% damage penalty was removed, then you'd just have all BLU's running around with Mighty Guard on all the time for free damage mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I haven't played BLU in a while and in all honestly I'd rather the job get striped out and remade, but...

With the changes to the way Tank stance works for the normal jobs do you think BLU's Mighty Guard will get the same treatment? I think it reduces your damage by what? 40% or something?

Would this even matter if it got the same treatment? Would BLUs still take damage like a toothpick with this skill on? How would they give you the Tank Mastery Trait?

Thoughts?

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Was just thinking about this the other day.

The correct, common sense response should be yes, but this is SE we're talking about here.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

I don't see why they'd change it.

Mighty Guard has its penalty because it's taking DPS job damage and turning it into Tank job damage.

Thus there's little reason to change Mighty Guard. It's not like it matters given that "BLU Tanking" is essentially just White Wind spam.

The skill is supposed to be a trade off, becoming a makeshift Tank at the cost of being a DPS. Rather than being a superfluous "Stance" that isn't used like with actual Tanks. If the 70% damage penalty was removed, then you'd just have all BLU's running around with Mighty Guard on all the time for free damage mitigation.

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SE needs to figure out if they really want to make this OP solo job as OP as they promised.

They said it couldn't be used in DF because of how strong it is. But all of it's strongest stuff is resisted or immune most of the time. It is literally just another job that's lvl 50 with a few gimmick spells.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

SE needs to figure out if they really want to make this OP solo job as OP as they promised.

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I hope they do. If it's really limited and can't be used in current content, then there's no point in trying to balance it, it should be OP enough to solo raid bosses by itself (outside of the usual two hits of X will instant kill you).

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

I have an impression that (if Mighty Guard would still exist for 5.1) they'd likely remove only the damage penalty from it, otherwise they'd need to have a REALLY good excuse to explain why it should stay there.

If I were in the devs' shoes for Blue Mage though, unless they were going to make a Blue Mage/Limited Job-only duty roulette, I'd likely scrap Mighty Guard completely and buff any defensive spells to compensate.

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I still think if they are so goddamn intent on keeping BLU the way it is and not overhauling it they should add a tickbox under the join party in progress tickbox that is "Allow limited Jobs in party". That way BLU actually has a chance of queuing for stuff to get its dungeon/trial abilities.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

I still think if they are so goddamn intent on keeping BLU the way it is and not overhauling it they should add a tickbox under the join party in progress tickbox that is "Allow limited Jobs in party". That way BLU actually has a chance of queuing for stuff to get its dungeon/trial abilities.

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The dev argument to that unfortunately is that it would let players cheese leveling, trial and mentor roulettes by removing higher-level (usually more difficult) options that Blue Mage wouldn't be high enough level for.

Ultimately, I'm still convinced that Blue Mage would either get its own duty roulette or be tweaked so hard to be a sensible DPS that spells like Mighty Guard would either be altered or removed.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

If the 70% damage penalty was removed, then you'd just have all BLU's running around with Mighty Guard on all the time for free damage mitigation.

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This would only be a problem if BLUs were actually in competition of any kind with other jobs. They aren't. The sky's the limit with what ridiculous things BLU could accomplish - and it was implied that very fact was why the job was made "limited" in the first place, so that they'd be free of such restrictions.

So, yeah, 70% mitigation with no downside. Sure, why not? Even with that, folks aren't likely going to turn to BLUs to cheese content, when they can just unsync and become way more OP than a BLU, for anything a BLU would be useful in anyway...

Pretty much only the Masked Carnivale would be affected by this, and since that caters solely to BLUs they can just balance the Carnivale against it.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

This would only be a problem if BLUs were actually in competition of any kind with other jobs.

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Not really.

It would be a problem in any kind of BLU related content where it's supposed to be designed where they're not running around with a free 40% damage reduction 24/7 with the ability to activate said skill before zoning in.

I.e. Masked Carnivale.

There's plenty of "Don't heal any damage" and "Don't use X skills" and other odd quirks to deal with there... All of which can be cheesed if Mighty Guard was free.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

Ultimately, I'm still convinced that Blue Mage would either get its own duty roulette or be tweaked so hard to be a sensible DPS that spells like Mighty Guard would either be altered or removed.

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Hmm...

Mighty Guard altered you say?

*Looks at every previous iteration of Mighty Guard"

Provides Protect and Shell to all party members.

https://i.imgur.com/0VHcxHw.png

https://i.imgur.com/3ciCmcQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ioGKCgm.png

https://cdn.instructables.com/FFS/U0...0W.SQUARE3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Not really.

It would be a problem in any kind of BLU related content where it's supposed to be designed where they're not running around with a free 40% damage reduction 24/7 with the ability to activate said skill before zoning in.

I.e. Masked Carnivale.

There's plenty of "Don't heal any damage" and "Don't use X skills" and other odd quirks to deal with there... All of which can be cheesed if Mighty Guard was free.



Hmm...

Mighty Guard altered you say?

*Looks at every previous iteration of Mighty Guard"

Provides Protect and Shell to all party members.

https://i.imgur.com/0VHcxHw.png

https://i.imgur.com/3ciCmcQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ioGKCgm.png

https://cdn.instructables.com/FFS/U0...0W.SQUARE3.jpg

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See? Man I knew this sort of thing was gonna happen when dancer was revealed to be a rdps(gotta be support)
they made brd's worse for no reason, why the longer recast? This is why we cant have nice things...


back to the subject though, I mean I don't know if they would do anything more than remove/reduce the damage penalty. For BLU it makes sense for a role swapping stance, for all of our Tanks, well they were gonna be tanks anyway. It wouldnt bother me if they did or didnt. Much more preferrably, I'd rather them change it for party play(give it proshell protect instead of -delete- a spell, and release the limiter on BLU, give it a weapon with at least 2(TWO) attack power lol. Im only serious about the weapon damage though, i want to see what BLU could do with a proper level 50 relic.

EDIT: This just occured to me, why wasnt that skill just consolidated and given to rphys as a cross role ability?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I hope they do. If it's really limited and can't be used in current content, then there's no point in trying to balance it, it should be OP enough to solo raid bosses by itself (outside of the usual two hits of X will instant kill you).

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limited doesnt mean god of the game, it still supposed to be a game, with risk and reward, and abilities that are useful in some situations and not others. Its limited because its not balanced for duty finder, not because its an i win button for old content.

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Originally Posted by Physic

limited doesnt mean god of the game, it still supposed to be a game, with risk and reward, and abilities that are useful in some situations and not others. Its limited because its not balanced for duty finder, not because its an i win button for old content.

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Other than it's 3 little "I win buttons" it's perfectly balanced for Duty Finder. You still get torn through like paper with Mighty Guard, White Wind isn't going to save your party if the BLU is at 15% health from an AoE, and all your spells are 130 potency just in a cone, circle, line, or doughnut. Hell, your "I win buttons" only hit like 5% of the time and all of the final bosses of dungeons are immune to them anyway they might as well as not be in the game. Turn Might Guard into a Troubadour, Tactician, Shield Samba, Make healing wind a 200 potency heal like Curing Waltz, remove the "I win buttons" and bam. BLU is a real boy.