Please Consolidate Materia

We currently have 6 tiers of Materia and will likely get 7 in Shadowbringers. The number of Materia levels should be reduced.

A better system would be to always have Grade 1-4.

Grade 4 = Grade 7
Grade 3 = Grade 6
Grade 2 = Grade 5
Grade 1 = Grade 4

Eliminate the current Grade 1, 2, and 3. These grades have been near useless since Heavensward.

With the new information that main stat Materia will be removed,13 types of Materia will remain. This change eliminates 39 items from the game.

On top of this, only having four grades of Materia helps over melding chances, which sorely need to be revised.

Or maybe, having materia that levels with your gear or something? Like if you put it on something under ilevel X then you'd get the appropriate level of materia. Sort of like how they consolidated glamour prisms into just one kind per type (and then just one type for everything, of course).

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Or maybe, having materia that levels with your gear or something? Like if you put it on something under ilevel X then you'd get the appropriate level of materia. Sort of like how they consolidated glamour prisms into just one kind per type (and then just one type for everything, of course).

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That wouldn't be a bad idea. Although, they would probably need to eliminate overmelding.

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Originally Posted by Sepher

That wouldn't be a bad idea. Although, they would probably need to eliminate overmelding.

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I would absolutely be okay with that. Overmelding sucks.

ARR relics still exist, and still need old materia.

For that matter, old gear still exists. You're saying you want the level 10 player converting their gear to get materia with stats far in excess of what they should have?

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Originally Posted by Sepher

We currently have 6 tiers of Materia and will likely get 7 in Shadowbringers. The number of Materia levels should be reduced.

A better system would be to always have Grade 1-4.

Grade 4 = Grade 7
Grade 3 = Grade 6
Grade 2 = Grade 5
Grade 1 = Grade 4

Eliminate the current Grade 1, 2, and 3. These grades have been near useless since Heavensward.

With the new information that main stat Materia will be removed,13 types of Materia will remain. This change eliminates 39 items from the game.

On top of this, only having four grades of Materia helps over melding chances, which sorely need to be revised.

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You might not need it. Others do. Having those grade I and II materia when leveling DoL/DoH make a huge difference. There are also DOH quests that would have to be recoded since use of low level materia is required.

Not certain why removing 39 items from the game accomplishes anything of value.

I also doubt very much that it's going to improve overmelding chances. More likely they would make overmelding chances worse so more of the materia floating around out there would get consumed.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Or maybe, having materia that levels with your gear or something? Like if you put it on something under ilevel X then you'd get the appropriate level of materia. Sort of like how they consolidated glamour prisms into just one kind per type (and then just one type for everything, of course).

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They would never do that. I could spiritbond level 15 gear almost instantly to get materia appropriate for level 80 gear under such a system.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I would absolutely be okay with that. Overmelding sucks.

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Then don't overmeld if it bothers you. Gear with standard melds is more than sufficient for the majority of game play.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You might not need it. Others do. Having those grade I and II materia when leveling DoL/DoH make a huge difference. There are also DOH quests that would have to be recoded since use of low level materia is required.

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You would still have grade 1, 2, and 3 materia, thus it wouldn't affect relics.

However, you bring up a good point about their effect on lower level crafters. Each materia grade should scale. Perhaps each grade represents an expansions gear level.
Grade 1= ARR
Grade 2 = Heavensward
Grade 3 = Stormblood
Grade 4 = Shadowbringers

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Originally Posted by Sepher

That wouldn't be a bad idea. Although, they would probably need to eliminate overmelding.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I would absolutely be okay with that. Overmelding sucks.

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I LIKE blowing materia up!

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Originally Posted by Sepher

Eliminate the current Grade 1, 2, and 3. These grades have been near useless since Heavensward.

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No they haven't. The early part of the game hasn't gone away just because you're no longer doing it. There are still lots of new players and players leveling new classes. Level 10 players shouldn't have the stats of level 50 players and vice versa.

And nothing is gained by getting rid of materia grades anyway. Those who are at a level where they no longer have much use for the lower grades just won't collect them, so they won't be taking up your inventory space. Just leave them to people who are still at the appropriate level to have a use for them.

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Originally Posted by Sepher

Each materia grade should scale. Perhaps each grade represents an expansions gear level.
Grade 1= ARR
Grade 2 = Heavensward
Grade 3 = Stormblood
Grade 4 = Shadowbringers

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Do you not understand the wide scale of stats each of those covers? ARR alone, you want low level players getting the same stats out of materia as level 50s? Or do you just want 50s to just get +1s off of everything?

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

I LIKE blowing materia up!

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They need to bring back the old failed meld animation, the one that locked you up for 37 seconds with your head lowered in shame.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Do you not understand the wide scale of stats each of those covers? ARR alone, you want low level players getting the same stats out of materia as level 50s? Or do you just want 50s to just get +1s off of everything?

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You seemed to leave out the dynamic scaling part. For example, a Grade 1 materia would scale properly for the gear it is equipped to. So a level 20 piece of gear would get a small portion of the stats, while a level 50 piece would get the maximum. Similar to the aetheryte earring they give away for preordering shadowbringers. The system is already in the game, transferring it to another item should be completely possible.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

They need to bring back the old failed meld animation, the one that locked you up for 37 seconds with your head lowered in shame.

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You can still see it if you fail a request meld.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

You can still see it if you fail a request meld.

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Is it the extended animation that takes twice as long as the success animation? I thought they did away with it completely when they added in the retry option.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Is it the extended animation that takes twice as long as the success animation? I thought they did away with it completely when they added in the retry option.

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If another player requests a meme from you, you’ll do it. There’s no retry since it’s using someone else’s stuff.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

If another player requests a meme from you, you’ll do it. There’s no retry since it’s using someone else’s stuff.

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The fail animation is still there if you meld your own, my question was the length of the animation. In 2.0, the fail animation was twice the success animation (~6 seconds vs ~3 seconds), during which time you were animation locked.

We will get 8 actually, a 7 with +60 and a 8 with +80 it seems...

I just wished we could mix materia on our own... i got so many stacks of V & VI but IT. TAKES. SO. LOOOOOOONG at Mutamix....

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Or maybe, having materia that levels with your gear or something? Like if you put it on something under ilevel X then you'd get the appropriate level of materia. Sort of like how they consolidated glamour prisms into just one kind per type (and then just one type for everything, of course).

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I Love this Idea, Saves Time & Costs
Also... Make Materia assimilating and removal always Safe & at 100% Chance