5.0 PvP?

Anyone else find it fairly unacceptable that PvP didn't get the slightest mention in the recent Live Letter?

All these changes to PvE; Charge skills, Shields showing on HP bar, TP removal, Gauge adjustments, and new skills. No clue if any of that is coming to PvP because there was zero mention of it at all... Should we just assume, after two years of hoping for positive changes to PvP, that 5.0 wont change a damn thing then? So tired of the radio silence PvP receives from the development team... Not even an "Of course, Dancer and Gunbreaker will be coming to PvP", kinda feel like that needs clarifying when Blue Mage could easily have but didn't...

You've got a Live Letter with over 60,000 viewers despite almost an hour of technical difficulties, talking about the upcoming expansion and the various changes to content it will bring, and absolutely nothing is done to involve the PvP community in that... Sends an absolutely horrible message to the community, IMO. FATEs are more important than PvP, I guess... I get PvP is typically met with ResidentSleeper spam when it is (rarely) mentioned, but part of me thinks that has something to do with the fact that there is just nobody talking about it with anything remotely resembling enthusiasm... Yoshida seems to talk about eating steak for longer and with more enjoyment than he ever has about PvP... The development team seems to show no confidence in the game mode, so why should the players?

We'll probably get our own little mention at some point, off in the corner somewhere, segregated off from the rest of the XIV playerbase, just to appease those who still play PvP in this game... Wont bring in any new players though, 99% of the audience for that stream, or article, or whatever, are going to be existing PvPers hoping for something, anything... I'd thought the FRC might be a turning point for PvP in this game, but I guess it was more of a death rattle...

https://mogtalk.org/2019/05/20/mogtalk-pvp-interview-2/

dont know how old and reliable its ,but it said something about adding knowback resistance in 5.0.

anyway, it looks like next big improvement is going to be emote banning to save people from nasty and rude players like me xD, so im not personally so eager to read any news lol.

seriously they barely speak about crafting also ,and it has a way bigger community than pvp, i think you should be patient and wait e3 or maybe even 5.1 or 5.2 patch notes.


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I would assume it'll be discussed in the next live letter as its the last one before ShB. That's like June 13-14 I believe.

I don't know much how will be focused on it but I would assume there will be something, maybe a new mode.

They probably not gonna change anything major, maybe some small adjustments or even dumb it down even more to make pvp easier to accsess for new players.

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Originally Posted by snipski

maybe some small adjustments or even dumb it down even more to make pvp easier to accsess for new players.

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Oh God no.. please no. Dont give'em ideas man!

See, I'd just like clarity on whether the PvE changes, which seem pretty fundamental to the whole game, are going to impact PvP or not... This Live Letter seemed like the perfect time to at least mention mentioning such a thing, if they didn't have time for PvP they could at least have said they'll talk about it later, but instead we get nothing...

Like, TP being removed should have a pretty big impact on PvP, no? PvP is the only place in this game where using TP, and using it wisely, has an impact. With 4.0 they split PvP off from PvE completely though, so does that mean PvP will still have TP? I don't know, because they've not explained that in the Live Letter where they specifically talked about removing TP... Same thing with Job Gauges... New players already find the shift from PvE to PvP skills confusing, I feel that'll be worse if PvP maintains the current 4.0 Gauges while PvE moves onto 5.0 Gauges, given there were some changes. Machinist in particular looks like an entirely new Job...

It is sadly often like that regarding PvP. When they started the FRC they released the rules very shortly before qualifying too, multiple longterm teams had to reform their groups because of eligibility issues for example. The next LightParty season starts in 3 days and we don't really know what we are fighting for yet.
Seasonal events like that need preparation a) to find a team and practice with b) advertising to generate a hype, interest about it.
Only releasing info when it is already happening next day or days is a bit too late, it is not making more people play it, it is just annoying to plan for the players then, imo.

The media guys are allowed to talk in a few days so let's see what they can tell us. Frostys interview is the only outlook we have atm, and it looks like lloyd already said, only minor changes. I just hope they change the participation rewards and wolfcollars, if you cant get top100 you should still get something at least. (a black not special weapon that I can grind after 3-4 seasons is not desirable)

Their competitor's expansion has released a six step-plan of how they will implement their expansion.

We don't even know what pvp will look like in one month.

If Square ever want pvp to be anything other than an afterthought, they're doing a god-awful job of setting that precedent.

I'm guessing this is all we can expect to hear regarding PvP, then...

Better than nothing I guess, but when you consider the kinds of answers PvE content has had in the past, even for content in a similar situation (still in the "planning" stages), they at least gave some information on what it is they're thinking... Guess it's hard to give such answers for PvP though, given they're just making it up as they go along...

Hopefully the Frontlines changes are at least decent... Glad they've forgotten Rival Wings doesn't even pop, and I guess Feast changes will happen in 6.1, since it took them 6 major patches to finally address Frontlines... Honestly I'm just thankful they didn't just announce a Battle Royale PvP mode, that's never going to work with this games PvP population, but after Rival Wings it seems SE likes to chase current trends...

I don't believe we will hear any additional info regarding the 5.0 PvP changes until we see the path notes.

I don't expect there will be any changes aside from adjusting classes for the fact that TP is going away. TP actions will instead consume MP.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I'm guessing this is all we can expect to hear regarding PvP, then...

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Hmm, if previous information is anything to go by, it sounds like they will add another Seize map like Seal Rock at 5.1.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

I don't expect there will be any changes aside from adjusting classes for the fact that TP is going away. TP will instead consume MP.

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See, I'm not even clear on that... I'd assume so, but one never knows with SE... Likewise, some of the Job gauges saw reworks and I'd assume those have to carry over to PvP, but will they?

All information apparently not important enough to clarify. Trend of PvP players just being forgotten continues.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Anyone else find it fairly unacceptable that PvP didn't get the slightest mention in the recent Live Letter?

All these changes to PvE; Charge skills, Shields showing on HP bar, TP removal, Gauge adjustments, and new skills. No clue if any of that is coming to PvP because there was zero mention of it at all... Should we just assume, after two years of hoping for positive changes to PvP, that 5.0 wont change a damn thing then? So tired of the radio silence PvP receives from the development team... Not even an "Of course, Dancer and Gunbreaker will be coming to PvP", kinda feel like that needs clarifying when Blue Mage could easily have but didn't...

You've got a Live Letter with over 60,000 viewers despite almost an hour of technical difficulties, talking about the upcoming expansion and the various changes to content it will bring, and absolutely nothing is done to involve the PvP community in that... Sends an absolutely horrible message to the community, IMO. FATEs are more important than PvP, I guess... I get PvP is typically met with ResidentSleeper spam when it is (rarely) mentioned, but part of me thinks that has something to do with the fact that there is just nobody talking about it with anything remotely resembling enthusiasm... Yoshida seems to talk about eating steak for longer and with more enjoyment than he ever has about PvP... The development team seems to show no confidence in the game mode, so why should the players?

We'll probably get our own little mention at some point, off in the corner somewhere, segregated off from the rest of the XIV playerbase, just to appease those who still play PvP in this game... Wont bring in any new players though, 99% of the audience for that stream, or article, or whatever, are going to be existing PvPers hoping for something, anything... I'd thought the FRC might be a turning point for PvP in this game, but I guess it was more of a death rattle...

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I agree with you, we simply have not had alot of love for the pvp community from our developers. Pvp needs to become as relevant as PVe. I used to play a chinese mmorpg called Silkroad online when I was younger, and the PVp in that game was amazingly good. Some people would just do pvp all day, that being said pve was just as important. So I mean like it can be done, but it needs to feel more authentic. I feel like they try to balance the crap out of everything, but I believe that in pvp balance is not necessarily the answer. pvp inherently should favor the stronger/better fighter with more stats and hours. Also I feel like we need open world pvp where you can challenge a fellow adventurer to a duel this is how it was done in Silkroad and often the better player with a better class and stats would end up winning, but the fighting was so engaging. I will have a link to the Silkroad pvp in my post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QTzjwe-juY

It's been confirmed that pvp will be changed after 5.0

Please look forward to it

I guess it's for the best for them to say nothing. After all, this time two years ago they were saying "Maybe we'll add more actions back in later", and we all know how that played out... Better to disappoint us now, than constantly over the next two years. At least we go in with no hope this time.

things like PVP and Gold Saucer etc will be updated in 5.1. (according to FrostyTV's interview with Yoshi-P)

They want people to enjoy the story and raid first. PVP later so that it doesn't compete with people's time for it.

good im glad, pvp sucks and should be deleted altogether. waste of server resources

Not that Mentors matter in the slightest, but once again... It's very telling of the developers mindset that, when talking about the changes to obtaining Mentor status, they go into details what changes for PvE Mentor status and Trader Mentor status, but make zero mention of PvP Mentor status.

getting mentor status unlocks all the flavors of mentor that you can set on your character including PVP Mentor.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

getting mentor status unlocks all the flavors of mentor that you can set on your character including PVP Mentor.

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Ye but why? Why does a crafting nerd gets to be PvP mentor? Why has the PvP mentor a white flag? Why can't we unlock PvP mentor with PvP ?

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Ye but why? Why does a crafting nerd gets to be PvP mentor? Why has the PvP mentor a white flag? Why can't we unlock PvP mentor with PvP ?

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cuz mentor is mentor? I dunno. I assume they think that people will not put on a PVP mentor status if they are not good at PVP. but you know how people are.. they lie and misrepresent themselves all the time...

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

getting mentor status unlocks all the flavors of mentor that you can set on your character including PVP Mentor.

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I've always found that hilarious back whenever I unlocked mentor status; able to flag as pvp mentor yet (at that time and for the longest time) having never touched pvp. /shrug

I've just read the MogTalk

- Range Matchmaking will indeed be a very big problem with the addition of the dancer. However a "simple" thing to do would be to make the Feast a 5v5 battle and splitting caster and range into 2 different categories. I do not think allowing any kind of composition would be a good thing, as you could have things like "range meta" or "melee meta". x2 melee lb plz?

" The Feast but haven’t been able to make their first move. As such, we hope to find ways to help jumpstart their participation"
Well a good start would be to allow everyone to get proper reward every season and not just the top one. The wolf mark system is very bad for people who can't put enough time. (which is most people)

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This is simply my own personal idea as the person in charge, but for example, we could have a server dedicated to PvP wherein you are able to create a copy of the character you regularly use onto that server. Only the characters copied onto that server could participate in PvP content, and you would have to play on that server if you want to partake in rank matches during the season. Any prizes won by making it into the ranks would then be distributed to the player’s main character.

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I see the intent, but unless they can ensure very quick pvp queue, there is an issue with that. I can't play my character while waiting.
If this could ensure no wiating time, sure, why not. But let's face it, it won't. And one thing I like to do while waiting (even for 5min) is to craft.
If I were to play 10 match and have to wait 5min between each match (decent waiting time I would say) that's 1h of crafting I'm missing.

Unless they make a system where people can continue their activity while waiting I don't think this would be a popular option.

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Previous maps were created through a great deal of trial and error, but it might be interesting to increase the variety of maps after establishing clearer regulations from the beginning.

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OMFG plz yes! I'm so done with Crystal Tower. It's a pretty map but... after 200+ games I just can't see it anymore. (I want a map with half the side the first shard, with light sky n stuff and the otherside the 13th shard (the void) with the redmoon in the sky... that'd be nice ^^)

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We are planning to improve PvP actions with 5.0, and if we determine that it is too easy even after those changes, we will look into making further adjustments, including increasing the number of actions.

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Don't make it more simple please T_T... I love the SB system but I'd rather have more tools than less... (Gravity Art of War and Holy for healers ^^?)

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We would like to continue creating a variety of content, since more people can enjoy it without worrying about many things with content that is simple, easy to understand, and one that has a larger number of participants.

On the other hand, there are concerns that if we go that route, our core players may not find enough depth in the gameplay, or people may feel that it is hard for them to overcome situations with their own skills/strengths.

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I can't recall WoW player saying Warsong Gulch and Arathi Bassin lack depth... they have very simple design and are still the favorite of many players...
If anything, making all Frontline 8v8 would be the best change

Finally, something.

Just wish we didn't have to wait til the 11th hour for this... Rework of additionals is interesting, wish we could actually get a look at that the same way the media tour let people look at literally all the PvE actions/additionals, but oh well, not long until the patch notes anyway now...

raging strike and phantom have to be back in my skillset or riot.

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and good lord why run is still in the optional skills xD ?!

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Originally Posted by legione

and good lord why run is still in the optional skills xD ?!

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I kinda get the reason why, if everyone just has it by default then there is less benefit from having it; When everyone is special has Bolt, nobody is special has Bolt. You can outplay with timing of course, but that's true regardless with other skills. You can outplay Bolt, or be outplayed with Bolt, by Bind, Heavy, dash skills, etc.

At least they're increasing the ranged of melee attacks to make landing melee hits without Bolt slightly more tolerable.

Updated job guide has pvp changes as well.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

problem solved ,bolt is gone :D

Yep, that works too lol.

Somewhat impressed with the Role Actions. There's a lot of potential for adjusting what you pick based on what others have taken, both on your team and the enemy team, although I guess that only applies to Feast where you can actually see others Role Actions.

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Originally Posted by legione

problem solved ,bolt is gone :D

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Peloton is kind of similar to bolt and it is buff for whole party. You most likely want one ranged dps bring Peloton on your party.