Scholar Male fairy!

i really want scholar to have male fairy that colors blue, im big fan of berserk so having male fairy reminds me of that character, plus having 2 fairys feel sexist like no male viera, i asked square A lot to add male fairy that buff defense or defense dps and heal, what do you all think?

edit: having 2 female fairy feel sexist"

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Originally Posted by illumy

i really want scholar to have male fairy that colors blue, im big fan of berserk so having male fairy reminds me of that character, plus having 2 fairys feel sexist like no male viera, i asked square A lot to add male fairy that buff defense or defense dps and heal, what do you all think?

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Not having male viera isn't sexist.

The fairy that Scholars get is literally a unique being and she's called Lily.

Having a male fairy makes literally no sense, unless we get another Soul Crystal that has a male fairy bound to it instead of Lily.

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Originally Posted by illumy

i really want scholar to have male fairy that colors blue, im big fan of berserk so having male fairy reminds me of that character, plus having 2 fairys feel sexist like no male viera, i asked square A lot to add male fairy that buff defense or defense dps and heal, what do you all think?

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I kinda get where you are coming from, and while i would like a male fairy, i don't think its Sexist.

We don't have two female fairies. We have one: Lily. Eos and Selene are two aspected stance for Lily (Dawn and Dusk)

The problem with adding a male fairy, is what function could it do that is not already covered by Eos and Selene? If they were to add a male fairy, we would actually get 2 more, aspected for dawn and Dusk.

In essence, i think we are more likely to get a glamour option similar to Egi Glamours... but that wouldn't work with the lore of the SCH.

Theres the added problem in that the animations for the SCH fairies are undoubtedly feminine... so would require a lot more resource than simply adding a new appearance. (I think this is the issue with Egi-Glamour too)

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I kinda get where you are coming from, and while i would like a male fairy, i don't think its Sexist.

We don't have two female fairies. We have one: Lily. Eos and Selene are two aspected stance for Lily (Dawn and Dusk)

The problem with adding a male fairy, is what function could it do that is not already covered by Eos and Selene? If they were to add a male fairy, we would actually get 2 more, aspected for dawn and Dusk.

In essence, i think we are more likely to get a glamour option similar to Egi Glamours... but that wouldn't work with the lore of the SCH.

Theres the added problem in that the animations for the SCH fairies are undoubtedly feminine... so would require a lot more resource than simply adding a new appearance. (I think this is the issue with Egi-Glamour too)

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but smn look like is getting new summons or maybe eggi in the future do maybe sch will also get 3rd fairy blue color and male

Oh my motherflipping god

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Originally Posted by illumy

but smn look like is getting new summons or maybe eggi in the future do maybe sch will also get 3rd fairy blue color and male

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Summoner has an entirely different Job Lore. Maybe they get more, maybe not.

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Originally Posted by illumy

i really want scholar to have male fairy that colors blue, im big fan of berserk so having male fairy reminds me of that character, plus having 2 fairys feel sexist like no male viera, i asked square A lot to add male fairy that buff defense or defense dps and heal, what do you all think?

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I don't think no male viera is sexist, even if it can SEEM that way because male hrotgar and female viera fit the gender roles, I highly doubt they were added because of sexism, and I myself really want male viera. Then, I don't personally see the need for new SCH fairies, and for the most part you won't really be focusing if they are male or female, so im not sure. I wouldn't mind having a male fairy, but I dont find it necessary

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

Not having male viera isn't sexist.

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I think its a grey area. Contextually the design of both female viera and Male Hrothgar when juxtaposed give an unintentional sexist image. What i mean by this, is that it can be argued it is sexist even though it wasn't intended. It's a complicated situation with quite a bit of context to unravel. But essentially i think there is arguably grounds for either stance. This is due to the overly masculine overtures of the Hrothgar design and the overly feminine design of the female Viera - BUT this is only an issue because both are released as counterparts to the other and the images juxtaposed give an unfortunate impression.

Had the races been released at completely separate times, i.e two different expansions - whether full or single gender, i do not think the sexist argument would be as prominent or as strong as it currently is.

Another troll thread 10/10

If you find a lore based reason for a Male Fairy then please be my guest
until then AYAYA

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Originally Posted by Hugowulf

Another troll thread 10/10

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im been serious... are you still butthurted about the hrothgar topic? you know that topic alone won't change the size of hrothgar, i wish hrothgar would slim or at least ronso body type but no use in writing it here so you don't have to feel hate towards me cause of one theard

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Originally Posted by Sathona

If you find a lore based reason for a Male Fairy then please be my guest
until then AYAYA

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well im only hoping

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Originally Posted by illumy

im been serious... are you still butthurted about the hrothgar topic?

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The tone you give off in this alone makes you seem troll worthy already.

Unfortunately it doesn’t fit the lore of SCH and comparing it to SMN is bad since we have a completely different lore then SCH that is under fire itself.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I kinda get where you are coming from, and while i would like a male fairy, i don't think its Sexist.

We don't have two female fairies. We have one: Lily. Eos and Selene are two aspected stance for Lily (Dawn and Dusk)

The problem with adding a male fairy, is what function could it do that is not already covered by Eos and Selene? If they were to add a male fairy, we would actually get 2 more, aspected for dawn and Dusk.

In essence, i think we are more likely to get a glamour option similar to Egi Glamours... but that wouldn't work with the lore of the SCH.

Theres the added problem in that the animations for the SCH fairies are undoubtedly feminine... so would require a lot more resource than simply adding a new appearance. (I think this is the issue with Egi-Glamour too)

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isn't sexist like picking one gender over the other and only this gender can do this job etc or did i get it wrong?

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

The tone you give off in this alone makes you seem troll worthy already.

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my english isn't that Good so no im not really...

I'd rather have moogle fairy glamours.

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Originally Posted by illumy

isn't sexist like picking one gender over the other and only this gender can do this job etc or did i get it wrong?

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The definition of sexism is as follows: Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism can affect anyone, but it systematically and primarily affects women and girls.

What part of the new races is prejudice or discriminatory?

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Originally Posted by illumy

im been serious... are you still butthurted about the hrothgar topic? you know that topic alone won't change the size of hrothgar, i wish hrothgar would slim or at least ronso body type but no use in writing it here so you don't have to feel hate towards me cause of one theard

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Not exactly upset but I’m more annoyed with how you present topics while giving off a condescending tone. It’s a forum for discussion and certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion, you just have a way of not really discussing but more dismissing. So I figure at this point you just create topics you know people will respond to, thus why I called you a troll. Whenever you are asked to back up your argument, you just say there is a language Barrier and drop the subject.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

The definition of sexism is as follows: Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism can affect anyone, but it systematically and primarily affects women and girls.

What part of the new races is prejudice or discriminatory?

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Well, it isn't discriminatory but it is exclusioanry, considering it only allows you to play as one gender to play a race, and that the femenine beautiful race is only female, and the big huge burly masculine race is male only, which, intentionated or not, gets into the topic of sexism and gender identity which is an extremely hot topic this days. If it had been male viera and female hrotgar, I dont think sexism would have been used as an argument, considering it would be the other way arround gender roles. I dont mean to say the races are sexist, but if you show the 2 trailers to someone they will almost for sure say they are, specially after seeing the female viera racial "armor" and the male hrotgar HUGE body

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Originally Posted by illumy

isn't sexist like picking one gender over the other and only this gender can do this job etc or did i get it wrong?

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Not quite.

sexism

noun
noun: sexism
prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

in this there is no Prejudice, Stereotyping or Discrimination on the basis of sex.

If Scholar was locked to female only characters that would be sexist, but having a female only fairy isn't in and of itself sexist.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Well, it isn't discriminatory but it is exclusioanry, considering it only allows you to play as one gender to play a race, and that the femenine beautiful race is only female, and the big huge burly masculine race is male only, which, intentionated or not, gets into the topic of sexism and gender identity which is an extremely hot topic this days. If it had been male viera and female hrotgar, I dont think sexism would have been used as an argument, considering it would be the other way arround gender roles. I dont mean to say the races are sexist, but if you show the 2 trailers to someone they will almost for sure say they are, specially after seeing the female viera racial "armor" and the male hrotgar HUGE body

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Except if we go by the actual definition of sexist, these races being one gender each is not sexist. There's no discrimination going on based on gender. There's no prejudice going on. None of that is happening. It's just a keyword people seem to throw around to garner attention. Does it suck that we only have these genders? Sure. But it's not sexist and people need to stop throwing that word around like it's applicable to this situation.

Did you just assume the fairy's gender?

/bored of 2019

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

The definition of sexism is as follows: Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism can affect anyone, but it systematically and primarily affects women and girls.

What part of the new races is prejudice or discriminatory?

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Technically the Viera design being "all girly" and the Hrothgar being "strong and beastly" could be argued as being sexist stereotyping. But it only really presents because they are placed together, if either or both were a full race, this argument would collapse. Its why its borderline or suggested rather than clear blatant sexism.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

Except if we go by the actual definition of sexist, these races being one gender each is not sexist. There's no discrimination going on based on gender. There's no prejudice going on. None of that is happening. It's just a keyword people seem to throw around to garner attention. Does it suck that we only have these genders? Sure. But it's not sexist and people need to stop throwing that word around like it's applicable to this situation.

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Like I said, I myself don't think it's sexist, but it does appear that way to many many ppl

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

Technically the Viera design being "all girly" and the Hrothgar being "strong and beastly" could be argued as being sexist stereotyping. But it only really presents because they are placed together, if either or both were a full race, this argument would collapse. Its why its borderline or suggested rather than clear blatant sexism.

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No, that isn't sexism. That's following gender norms. Not to mention that viera were already created before this game. To say that it's sexist because they are implemented exactly how they appear in Final Fantasy XII is laughable at best.

well thx all for teaching what sexist is lol, so male fairy chances are slim?

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Like I said, I myself don't think it's sexist, but it does appear that way to many many ppl

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I appreciate your understanding, then. A lot of people throw that word around these days and have no idea what they're talking about. :)

I thought gender wasn’t supposed to matter anymore.
If you want to play as a Hrothgar, then why does it matter that you play as a male? Vice versa for Viera.
Isn’t that part of the RP experience? Playing a different character, race and gender to yourself?
Perhaps you’re a transsexual Hrothgar at the beginning/end of your transition depending on which way you’re going.

/devilsadvocat

But seriously, while options are obviously preferential, there’s limits to everything, and they’ve explained pretty satisfactorily why we’ve only got one of each gender.
We don’t get to play as children, or as old people, or a dragons or kobolds, so why get so hung up on gender?

I want 2 transgender fairys. Black and White.

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Originally Posted by illumy

well thx all for teaching what sexist is lol, so male fairy chances are slim?

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While I'm all for more options, it's sounding like a very slim chance, yes.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

No, that isn't sexism. That's following gender norms. Not to mention that viera were already created before this game. To say that it's sexist because they are implemented exactly how they appear in Final Fantasy XII is laughable at best.

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Well actually... that kinda is sexism. Because there aren't really any "gender norms" both males and females are more on a spectrum between Feminine and Masculine defined behaviour and appearance... as males can be effeminate and females can be muscular/ portray masculine values.

Also the FF12 version of Viera was a product of its time... and gives an impression that can be argued as being sexist - but i don't think this is the place for that particular debate.

i want ifrit to be a girl now. fair is fair.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I thought gender wasn’t supposed to matter anymore.
If you want to play as a Hrothgar, then why does it matter that you play as a male? Vice versa for Viera.
Isn’t that part of the RP experience? Playing a different character, race and gender to yourself?
Perhaps you’re a transsexual Hrothgar at the beginning/end of your transition depending on which way you’re going.

/devilsadvocat

But seriously, while options are obviously preferential, there’s limits to everything, and they’ve explained pretty satisfactorily why we’ve only got one of each gender.
We don’t get to play as children, or as old people, or a dragons or kobolds, so why get so hung up on gender?

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For me, its because I like playing as males. I've tried playing a females before but its not for me. So for me, the lack of Male Viera means i cannot play the Viera. Granted this IS a preference thing, but still thats why i personally want the males added. More options can only mean a better game.

Are you trying to get on the FFXIV Forum Quotes twitter?

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

Well actually... that kinda is sexism. Because there aren't really any "gender norms" both males and females are more on a spectrum between Feminine and Masculine defined behaviour and appearance... as males can be effeminate and females can be muscular/ portray masculine values.

Also the FF12 version of Viera was a product of its time... and gives an impression that can be argued as being sexist - but i don't think this is the place for that particular debate.

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So we have three masculine male character models right now. Highlander, Roegadyn, and Au Ra (although you can make those rather feminine if you try). Elezen are tall, elegant, and rather feminine. Midlanders are like Au Ra and can look both masculine and feminine. Miqo'te are almost entirely feminine (except a few outliers that use the one masculine face they have). Finally, lalafell are potatoes. If we base this off the purely masculine races, we have two. So, calling the devs sexist is entirely ridiculous and their choice to make everyone happy is, also, not sexist. The fact that you think EVERY SINGLE THING is sexist is hilarious to me.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

So we have three masculine male character models right now. Highlander, Roegadyn, and Au Ra (although you can make those rather feminine if you try). Elezen are tall, elegant, and rather feminine. Midlanders are like Au Ra and can look both masculine and feminine. Miqo'te are almost entirely feminine (except a few outliers that use the one masculine face they have). Finally, lalafell are potatoes. If we base this off the purely masculine races, we have two. So, calling the devs sexist is entirely ridiculous and their choice to make everyone happy is, also, not sexist. The fact that you think EVERY SINGLE THING is sexist is hilarious to me.

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I have never called the devs Sexist, i have actually said that its a middle of the ground thing and that it can arguably be called sexist and then only because of the juxtaposition of the two races. I offered a reason why it could be considered sexist, not that it actually was sexist.

You can claim that i think everything is sexist, but this is a fallacious assertion on your part. There have things you have said which i have highlighted can be argued as being sexist or is sexist in and of itself. But much of this is about perspective, my perspective is that it can be seen as sexist, not that it actually *IS* sexist.

just make it a toneberry