Request for Utsusemi

And give it to Bard!

No, god please no.

Lol, Utsusemi is the one of the worst broken mechanic in FFXI.

The readings on my Trolldar are off the charts!

and the shadows speak to me ... in song!

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

and the shadows speak to me ... in song!

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Holy crap, and what a name to give it! Song of the Shadows!

Utsusemi was one of the worst things to happen to FFXI.

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Weren't you saying how you want quality in what SE does? Did you take the proper time to think about what Utsusemi did to FFXI and what it would do to FFXIV?

I approve this thread but only if each shadow can has Barp. And I can start my own Barp band.

Yes, it was Utsusemi that tore FFXI apart and not Abyssea. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Yes, it was Utsusemi that tore FFXI apart and not Abyssea. Gotcha.

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Yes, I forgot it's only ever possible for one thing to be bad in a game, and everything else that isn't the worst possible thing ever must be a godsend.

http://www.daevaofwar.net/uploads/ga...71_4_37030.jpg

How the hell did you guys get that utsusemi was a bad thing? O.o

Regardless, we have decoy. And we don't really need anything like it yet. Everything AoEs too much.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Abyssea was one of the worst things to happen to FFXI.

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Fixed that one for ya :D

Sorry, but all I've heard so far is, collectively: UTSUSEMI SUCKS. OMGWTFLOL TROLL.

Is it possible you guys can give some details of why you think so?

They can add the skill just don't make it like xi's... it could be like an triple feather foot with only a 505 chance to dodge and a 2 min recast.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Sorry, but all I've heard so far is, collectively: UTSUSEMI SUCKS. OMGWTFLOL TROLL.

Is it possible you guys can give some details of why you think so?

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This single skill made almost all subs useless and made an DEf tank into an evasion tank...

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Originally Posted by Answa

How the hell did you guys get that utsusemi was a bad thing? O.o

Regardless, we have decoy. And we don't really need anything like it yet. Everything AoEs too much.

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Let's see.

/NIN sub required.
Utsusemi required.
For what? Everything, or else kick.
Want to purchase? Farm up gil for a month.
Want to get normally? Farm up seals for three weeks, and then pray to RNGJesus that you get it.

Yep, sounds bad enough to me.

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Originally Posted by Firon

This single skill made almost all subs useless and made an DEf tank into an evasion tank...

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Um, so you're saying that having that 'other' tank as an option was a bad thing? You do realize how hard it was to find a single Paladin when you needed one? Perhaps it wasn't Utsusemi alone that negated the usefulness of other subs - rather, the uselessness of said subs.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Let's see.

/NIN sub required.
Utsusemi required.
For what? Everything, or else kick.
Want to purchase? Farm up gil for a month.
Want to get normally? Farm up seals for three weeks, and then pray to RNGJesus that you get it.

Yep, sounds bad enough to me.

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How is this in any way far off from what Sentinel is now? I'll agree with you that getting the scroll was bad, but we don't buy/farm spells or abilities in this game.

EDIT: Also, the OP says GIVE IT TO BARD.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Let's see.

/NIN sub required.
Utsusemi required.
For what? Everything, or else kick.
Want to purchase? Farm up gil for a month.
Want to get normally? Farm up seals for three weeks, and then pray to RNGJesus that you get it.

Yep, sounds bad enough to me.

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It wasn't required for everything. It was just useful. It took me years to get a scroll and I was still invited to parties. Hang around with asses and the above will happen to you.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Um, so you're saying that having that 'other' tank as an option was a bad thing?

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That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?

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You do realize how hard it was to find a single Paladin when you needed one?

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Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.

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Perhaps it wasn't Utsusemi alone that negated the usefulness of other subs - rather, the uselessness of said subs.

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No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Answa

It wasn't required for everything. It was just useful. It took me years to get a scroll and I was still invited to parties. Hang around with asses and the above will happen to you.

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By everything he meant endgame content.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Um, so you're saying that having that 'other' tank as an option was a bad thing? You do realize how hard it was to find a single Paladin when you needed one? Perhaps it wasn't Utsusemi alone that negated the usefulness of other subs - rather, the uselessness of said subs.

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No pld became a blink tank.... I said an DEF base tank became a blink tank..... the skill was too good.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

How is this in any way far off from what Sentinel is now? I'll agree with you that getting the scroll was bad, but we don't buy/farm spells or abilities in this game.

EDIT: Also, the OP says GIVE IT TO BARD.

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Just because Sentinel now is another cookie-cutter skill that everyone has to have does not mean that FFXI's Utsusemi and NIN were any good for the game. It means Sentinel should probably be nerfed, and fights retuned so that they don't all depend on one single ability from one class.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Sorry, but all I've heard so far is, collectively: UTSUSEMI SUCKS. OMGWTFLOL TROLL.

Is it possible you guys can give some details of why you think so?

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Because some people will want it as a requirement in their linkshell. It makes people lazy.

And that other tank option would just become the one tank again, Ninja.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?



Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.



No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

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Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.

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PLD was the go-to tank for linkshells that didn't have a NIN tank that was well geared, and for the very few NMs that hit like a Mack truck and required a tank with high HP and defense.

And even for those, PLD/NIN was an exceedingly common tank. FFXI's NIN job saw more love and overpowered skills than any class in any MMO I've played.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?

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Blood tanking or evasion tanking. The situation/enemy decided.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.

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Possibly nobody wanted to level Paladin, and equally as possible that many had already done so.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

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Was Paladin not even easier to tank with? Flash > Provoke? Sounds pretty technical!

Or don't add Utsusemi at all and just give bard an AoE Blink. I loved Ninja and all but I can see why it shouldn't be added in the same way that it was in XI. Maybe make it an EVA buff or reduced dmg buff for a certain number of hits, but make it class restricted on an actually DD... (Thinks of Ninja)

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Originally Posted by Firon

Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.

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PLD with a NIN sub lol.

At any rate, everyone is totally ignoring the one-sentence whole of the OP. Instantly, like a flash, we're back in FFXI and talking /NIN. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SUBJOBS IN FFXIV.

no or else the kitty gets it.

http://data.whicdn.com/images/386082...jpg?1284300188

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

PLD was the go-to tank for linkshells that didn't have a NIN tank that was well geared, and for the very few NMs that hit like a Mack truck and required a tank with high HP and defense.

And even for those, PLD/NIN was an exceedingly common tank. FFXI's NIN job saw more love and overpowered skills than any class in any MMO I've played.

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No lol PLD was the go to tank for all end game nin had to little hp and pld could cast ustu better than nin cause its passive trait which is when you block you cant get spell interrupt.. I played main tank for 6 years endgame and only seen nin tanks around early 2005 XI after that it was all pld/nin.

No thanks.

Kage bunshin no jutsu go !

Will someone please think of the kittens!
http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads...meh.ro9282.jpg

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Originally Posted by Xoo

At any rate, everyone is totally ignoring the one-sentence whole of the OP. Instantly, like a flash, we're back in FFXI and talking /NIN. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SUBJOBS IN FFXIV.

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That wasn't the point, Utsusemi was broken and it should never be implemented in any MMO ever, people were just elaborating how broken it was in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Blood tanking or evasion tanking. The situation/enemy decided.

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90% of content was placed into easy-mode with an evasion tank and medium/hard mode with a blood tank, 10% vice versa. Come on man, use your brain for once.

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Possibly nobody wanted to level Paladin, and equally as possible that many had already done so.

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Are you serious?

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui...nsus/10/2.html

Ninja 5.43%, Paladin 3.83%.

Don't come up with bulls**t 50-50 statistics and false dichotomies.

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Was Paladin not even easier to tank with? Flash > Provoke? Sounds pretty technical!

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Irrelevant, what decided the importance of a tank in FFXI was how much damage they took over time. NIN beat the crap out of PLD for practically everything except some really serious HNMs.

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Originally Posted by Firon

No lol PLD was the go to tank for all end game nin had to little hp and pld could cast ustu better than nin cause its passive trait which is when you block you cant get spell interrupt.. I played main tank for 6 years endgame and only seen nin tanks around early 2005 XI after that it was all pld/nin.

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Somehow I seriously doubt this, because for everything except Cerberus/Tiamat/Vrtra/PW/[insert 5 hour long HNM here], people grabbed NINs to tank.