FFXIV Viera Instagram Pic

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From all their talk I thought there would be more facial features.

Looks like your generic Hyur with a perma duck face. I'm meh on Viera but I think people who are excited for them expected something more unique.

Aren't there only 4 selections normally? I don't remember and am in a duty at the moment so can't check.

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Originally Posted by Berret_Snow

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Oh, look. A generic buff, bulky Hyur with a permanent grumpy face.

This might be a work in progress, but I would suggest everyone to set their expectation to a minimum so that you don't get disappointed.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Oh, look. A generic buff, bulky Hyur with a permanent grumpy face.

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That's basically all the races, Generic Hyur with horns glued on them, Generic hyur that was inflated, generic Hyur with bunny ears and a Potato.
I don't know maybe I was expecting Viera to be a bit more different or have more options, but this is just one face so we'll see.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Aren't there only 4 selections normally? I don't remember and am in a duty at the moment so can't check.

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Everyone has 5 "Other Feature" options.
I'm in the character creator right now, don't mind me... >w>

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

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From all their talk I thought there would be more facial features.

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You've only seen the five facial features for ONE face...

Facial Features aren't exactly the same for each face, four per tribe. Tattoos usually vary per face too. Face structures can also be varied per tribe.

So... yeah...

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Everyone has 5 "Other Feature" options.

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Thank you didn't remember and am in Eureka at the moment. Can't wait for the benchmark next month for both Viera and Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Everyone has 5 "Other Feature" options.
I'm in the character creator right now, don't mind me... >w>

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I live in the character creator, despite the races being Hyur with X, you can make some unique looking characters.

And now i'm day dreaming of my hope that they add way more options for everyone in that other features options.

And Eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

You've only seen the five facial features for ONE face...

Facial Features aren't exactly the same for each face, four per tribe. Tattoos usually vary per face too. Face structures can also be varied per tribe.

So... yeah...

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They have shown artwork of the four face Viera are going to have (along with Ear options and some of the hairstyles) during an art stream.

https://aywren.files.wordpress.com/2...ions.png?w=840

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

They have shown artwork of the four face Viera are going to have (along with Ear options and some of the hairstyles) during an art stream.

https://aywren.files.wordpress.com/2...ions.png?w=840

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Were these actually confirmed as being in-game options? Artwork can vary quite a bit from what we end up with in game. I've missed most of the recent streams and annoucements :X

Also, I think she's cute ;) Even with the little duck-lips.

Not even scars...

I'm not expecting a whole lot.
The "greater customization options" will most likely just be being able to choose ear style independent of the face. They don't have tails so they'll be using the data slot for tails on the ears.
They said the same thing about Au Ra and it boiled down to just being able to toggle scales on and off.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Were these actually confirmed as being in-game options? Artwork can vary quite a bit from what we end up with in game. I've missed most of the recent streams and annoucements :X

Also, I think she's cute ;) Even with the little duck-lips.

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If I remember correctly, these were from back during the Paris FanFest when Viera were first shown off, so they could of changed but like Jojokomoko suggests, I wouldn't get your expectations too high.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

If I remember correctly, these were from back during the Paris FanFest when Viera were first shown off, so they could of changed but like Jojokomoko suggests, I wouldn't get your expectations too high.

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My expectations are always quite low with this game, so I'm good there. ;)

I will say though, I'm pretty happy with what I've seen so far (I really loved that Viera they used in the Dancer video). For me, the big question will be the emotes. I tend to prefer the more playful variety, and the few that you could see in the race video made them look a bit more stuffy. We'll see soon enough :X

Why do people dislike hyur so much? Especially midlanders

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Why do people dislike hyur so much? Especially midlanders

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

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Probably that?

The animations can really turn someone off a race if they don't like how the character acts.

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Why do people dislike hyur so much? Especially midlanders

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I love midlanders, the run is super cute. And they look super adorable and pickupable. Hugs to all of em. Tho I think people just not like playing humans in mmos really.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

You've only seen the five facial features for ONE face...

Facial Features aren't exactly the same for each face, four per tribe. Tattoos usually vary per face too. Face structures can also be varied per tribe.

So... yeah...

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It's kind of a bad look for you to constantly advertise how much more cutsomiseable the new races are when they barely have more options than the standard races from 2010.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

It's kind of a bad look for you to constantly advertise how much more cutsomiseable the new races are when they barely have more options than the standard races from 2010.

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It's kind of a bad look for you to badmouth someone about this. When the devs have alluded to them having more options to make up for the lack of the opposite gender.

Oh yeah, and they aren't out yet. So... you don't know if they have more or less options. If more, how much more? No one knows yet!

Duckface and anime eyes.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

For me, the big question will be the emotes.

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I hope they have ear-wiggles like Miqo'te do. >w>
Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't...

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I hope they have ear-wiggles like male Miqo'te do. >w>
Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't...

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FTFY
Female miqo'te barely have any ear wiggles compared to the males :(

Dem pouty lips. Push them out a little bit further and I could land a chocobo on that. Bird house 5.0. :P

Does anyone else get more excited for Hrothgar every time they see Viera? Hrothgar cannot really be recreated with another race even if tried, face paint Roe does not look anything like Hrothgar (as much as painting ones face in real life looks like another race lol).

I'm sure there will be a lot of animation love for the Viera, and options to spice them up, but with the very vague info we have that I can't help but think "hyur + X" (of course with the little information, or my lack of interest, it could have painted my vision to only see bunny ears on a normal human head). I am happy for those who wanted to play them though (not excited for the race (Viera) but excited that others are excited, nuance ;)).

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Originally Posted by Roda

FTFY
Female miqo'te barely have any ear wiggles compared to the males :(

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:O . . That sounds sad lol. Is there any reason for that? Female ears are firmer.. cause.. lore? Would it maybe because they're using the bounce on the chest for ears (on males) while the bounce on females is already in use (like if it was a slot / system limitation)? If there is no particular reason #GiveFemalesTheirBounce lol.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

It's kind of a bad look for you to constantly advertise how much more cutsomiseable the new races are when they barely have more options than the standard races from 2010.

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Ummm, adding up everything we've seen and been told ...

Hrothgar have face that look like Ronso/ Jaguar/ Lion/ Wolf. They can have different horns or no horn. They can have a fur pattern and all their body fur matches the hair color so it's changeable unlike the Scaley peep's scales.

Viera have many different styles of ears ranging from short to tall to front bent to back bent to different levels of fur on them and far more customization in hair styles (the whole bangs, no bangs thing).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

:O . . That sounds sad lol. Is there any reason for that? Female ears are firmer.. cause.. lore? Would it maybe because they're using the bounce on the chest for ears (on males) while the bounce on females is already in use (like if it was a slot / system limitation)? If there is no particular reason #GiveFemalesTheirBounce lol.

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It's nothing really technical. Our ears do move in some emotes, it's just never as much as the males and it looks way way worse.
(here's some examples, where the males will have a bunch of flicks wiggles and twitches, the females will have a simple rotate up a few degrees or down a few degrees, where their anatomy doesn't really let their ears fold as naturally as the males so it just kind of looks like their ears are wilting)
It's the curse of having a three year difference in character release dates and character artist workloads.
1.0 had character artists animating 8 player models whereas 2.0 had them focusing on just 3, so there was probably more room to focus on the male miqo'te, female roe, and female highlanders than there was for the original 1.0 characters. On top of that they had more time and practice with the tools when creating the male miqo'te than they did with the females so their familiarity would allow them to push the anatomy of the race farther to be able to express more. It's just kind of how these things go, it's why the Au Ra have such fluid and expressive emotes compared to a lot of the more stiff or simple 1.0 races.
We can only hope that SE steps out of the habit of "NEVER TOUCH PAST ONLY MAKE NEW GOODER" and goes back to show the previous character models a little bit m ore polish. :T

Well, Hrothgar are definitely a lot more interesting as they genuinely look like something different. Viera really do just look like Hyur with bunny ears - which is a shame, since they had more unique features back in FFXII.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Well, Hrothgar are definitely a lot more interesting as they genuinely look like something different. Viera really do just look like Hyur with bunny ears - which is a shame, since they had more unique features back in FFXII.

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As far as facial appearances go, I don't think they're really that far off:
https://i.imgur.com/fXEAZXb.png
https://i.imgur.com/sXFbPwb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qBqoSBz.jpg

We're getting the nose, Fran's pouty mouth option, big eyes, etc. I'm not sure how the feet will go and limb length may be tweaked a tad, but they're still pretty close.

I had my expectations lowered already but as they said "more customisable" I was expecting at least one more option

I have to say this.. I REALLY hate how small the head is and how long the neck is. T.T Why can't the heads be a bit bigger?

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Originally Posted by Roda

It's nothing really technical. Our ears do move in some emotes, just our list is smaller, and with less expression as the males.
It's the curse of having a three year difference in character release dates and character artist workloads.
1.0 had character artists animating 8 player models whereas 2.0 had them focusing on just 3, so there was probably more room to focus on the male miqo'te, female roe, and female highlanders than there was for the original 1.0 characters. On top of that they had more time and practice with the tools when creating the male miqo'te than they did with the females so their familiarity would allow them to push the anatomy of the race farther to be able to express more. It's just kind of how these things go, it's why the Au Ra have such fluid and expressive emotes compared to a lot of the more stiff or simple 1.0 races.
We can only hope that SE steps out of the habit of "NEVER TOUCH PAST ONLY MAKE NEW GOODER" and goes back to show the previous character models a little bit m ore polish. :T

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It would be nice to get an update to our character models. Perhaps some new physics for hair, gear (if people remember the awesome bag jiggle or run animations in 1.0 lol), and ears. Or like the Hrothgar some people wanted a more Byakko body shape, I feel if you added two sliders in the right spot you'd have that body shape. Might be possible now, since we haven't had a chance to play with the editor, but I feel like it is unlikely they have those sliders yet. Maybe depending on how they went about making the fat cats, if they were able to create morphs that work with gear and they're testing them out now (which would be awesome) then we can look forward to something like that. Alternatively the fat cats are just their own model with their own armor associated with that, which would be unfortunate for the whole slider discussion lol.

I would like them to revisit some older areas, perhaps like how Ishgard will be done depending on how that goes (sounds cool, but we don't know too much lol). For example I think being able to help the Tonberry reconstruct or to uncover Sil'Dih could be fun. I had thought a whole zombie apocalypse going on in the Sil'Dih city could be a fun way to build a civilization of Vivi mammets (like FFIX's vivi village), lots of opportunity to upset the Ul'dah political sphere and cause chaos as this huge rotting horde becomes a threat, and would also give us a neat water city after we save/reconstruct that is partially underground (a magical "Laputa, castle in the sky"-ish city underground (FFXIV's Undercity (WoW's undead capital)). Also given there are whole areas on the map we haven't explored that we could have new zones for (I suggested airships to get there).

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Well, Hrothgar are definitely a lot more interesting as they genuinely look like something different. Viera really do just look like Hyur with bunny ears - which is a shame, since they had more unique features back in FFXII.

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Yeah hopefully there are some options in the editor, or my eyes just need more hands on experience. Could just be not the race for me and that's that lol. But I feel that way. Curious IF they do the males if they'll go similar, as we read Yoshida describe them as basically elvaan with ears, or if they'll give them a bit of difference. Who knows lol.

New character options would be nice though... Like giving us actual real eyebrows :D.

It's close to what Vieras have always looked like. Hrothgar is for those wanting to look less human or more unique.

As for the ears, check them out in the Dancer and Viera trailers. They only bounce a little with head movements and aren't animated in other ways. The clipping of the Dancer's blades and the ears seems painful lol.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

New character options would be nice though... Like giving us actual real eyebrows :D.

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You're asking too much here, friend.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

You're asking too much here, friend.

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ITS A CONSPIRACY!! THEY'RE OUT TO GET ME *HEAVY BREATHING*

I READ THE LORE, IT SAYS I SHAVE THEM... I SHAVE THEM TO LOOK FiErCE! BUT I DONT- I DONT DO IT, DO I? NOOOOOOO!

WHO'S SHAVING MY EYEBROWS!? WHO!!!

.... Every male highlander goes through a crisis point in their life, people have no idea the social anxiety we have. Any one of you could be shaving our eyebrows.. We don't know.

Is it you? Are you taking my brows? ;(

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Originally Posted by Shougun

ITS A CONSPIRACY!! THEY'RE OUT TO GET ME *HEAVY BREATHING*

I READ THE LORE, IT SAYS I SHAVE THEM... I SHAVE THEM TO LOOK FiErCE! BUT I DONT- I DONT DO IT, DO I? NOOOOOOO!

WHO'S SHAVING MY EYEBROWS!? WHO!!!

.... Every male highlander goes through a crisis point in their life, people have no idea the social anxiety we have. Any one of you could be shaving our eyebrows.. We don't know.

Is it you? Are you taking my brows? ;(

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My own collection of eyebrows! Would be like a small army of woolly bears.

*dreams of stroking the brows*

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Originally Posted by Greven

I had my expectations lowered already but as they said "more customisable" I was expecting at least one more option

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I have no idea why anyone would have anticipated this (you're not the only one) from that "quote." If it is even actually a quote, I'd have to go back and look at it in its full context at this point considering how many ppl I see talking about the MT/OT split as if it were set in stone.

When I initially saw others mentioning that Viera were going to be "more customizable" I never once thought they were going to have more face/other options, but perhaps additional sliders. Particularly because of the legacy "spaghetti code" they're always citing as the reason why certain things can't be added.

Existing races already have different sliders for some things, the Muscle slider for example, isn't available to all races, and Tail sliders. Au Ra also have the unique eye "iris ring" options. So I always though perhaps Viera would get some additional sliders... Ear Length and well... they don't have tails so maybe we'll finally see that other slider that's always been popular to ask for.

Another thing that I've always thought was a valid complaint by Au Ra is that horns are determined by Face selection rather than a separate selection. So... if they actually made ear folds a separate selection that would also increase Viera customization more than other races immediately. Which could be similar to Hrothgar if the horn (and other head ornaments) are a separate selection.

Honestly I attribute most of what people believe made the Viera unique to the graphics in FFXII, even Fran in this game still looks to be using her model from the remaster, our own Viera on the other hand and those that will be inhabiting the world will be in FFXIV graphics, the way Fran would also probably look were she not special

I am personally quite happy with the way Viera are looking furrently, though I would guess that like Hrothgar they will receive more polish by the time the benchmark is out here as it seems like the new races are something that they will be working on until the last minute

As for their proportions.. i honestly don't see the huge deal on this, they are almost exactly like the Viera in XII and have much less of the "tiny head, super wide shoulders" issue going than elezen do, it's just how they look.

These models if they do what I'm expecting and give them the "wild/bushy" eyebrows option that female seekers of the sun get will look pretty much exactly like what everyone was asking for, viera, tall beautiful amazonian bunny ladies.

That hair is so cute. >: I'll most likely get salty because my lala won't get to wear that.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Oh, look. A generic buff, bulky Hyur with a permanent grumpy face.

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Oh look a generic cat boy who wants to be a male viera.

Look at all the comments on the instagram posts, its just fools whining about male viera.

Ugh so annoying.