new job - vampire

a class like ff7 vincent that gets abilities like the wrath and lust items in palace of the dead? it could act like the summoner except you are the summon, youd get like 3 transformations that deal with different needs - tank / melee dps / ranged dps etc.

it could be an addition to the mechanist class ( or not, whatever, my friends just say right now that class is boring and vincent uses guns )

the class itself would be a ranged dps, and you could fill up a rage bar in order to activate your transforms. like consecutive kills, damage received or given, and maybe even a special transformation if your party wipes and somehow youre left alive.

what do you guys think?

Not what I was expecting from the title but yes I'd love a transformation job, dark themed like Vincent.

I think of Harmonixer from Shadow Hearts in that vein as well. Or Dante's Sparda form from Devil May Cry.

Also on guns you could give this job dual wielding guns instead? There are other items of course.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Not what I was expecting from the title but yes I'd love a transformation job, dark themed like Vincent.

I think of Harmonixer from Shadow Hearts in that vein as well. Or Dante's Sparta form from Devil May Cry.

Also on guns you could give this job duel wielding guns instead? There are other items of course.

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dual handguns would be cool. reminds me of the imperial chick in white armor. they could do something like wild arms for it, where you have a single weapon that turns into others depending on what abilities you use, but that would probably be overwhelming to have weapon transformations and beast transforms lol. maybe this class would have something more along the lines of a rifle?

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Originally Posted by Keife191

dual handguns would be cool. reminds me of the imperial chick in white armor. they could do something like wild arms for it, where you have a single weapon that turns into others depending on what abilities you use, but that would probably be overwhelming to have weapon transformations and beast transforms lol. maybe this class would have something more along the lines of a rifle?

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I'd love to see a giant cannon sort of gun lol, but to be honest I don't see the Vincent sort of job fitting that.. personally at least, do you? I mean big giant gun or rifle (both are larger than a normal gun lol).

This "weapon" idea might seem a bit weird but what if it was a cloak/scarf/battle sash (Nezha from ancient Chinese myth). "wot?".. Hear me out lol.

You know how Vincent has that cool cloak right? Imagine if it did a sort of Spawn (comic hero, has a shifting suit with an epic cloak and chains) / Doctor Strange (watch the movie lol) / Bayonetta (technically her suit is her hair but it shifts as she casts spells) / Voldemort last movie scene with Harry Potter as he shoots out jets of black and uses his cape type combat.

Such that the job is a mix sort of "long range" melee with a morphing weapon (in such that the attacks stretch a little, but they're still pretty much melee - not like Red Mage in and out). There is also that boss in FFXIV with a stretchy scarf we fight in the first Raid, forgot her name but she has the Shadespin attack.

Anyway it being a sort of cloak like Vincent would ensure the job gets a load of moody appearances, has a unique weapon, and the morphing of their weapon wouldn't be as hard as a morphing gun since the animations would blend the colors the weapon has vs having to design multiple weapons designs for one weapon (although I do like your morphing weapon suggestion, I just think it might take too much work because each weapon is technically multiple weapons then).

So thematically for the job these cloaks are just more like vessels for the excess energy you're collecting and could even be part of the mechanics of the job - growing as you empower yourself before they envelope you and shift yourself into some sort of monster. This allows you to harbor way more energy than one would normally be able to do safely, even though the process is generally a very unsafe practice anyways (transforming is not something everyone in the game does).

I just think the weapon for a job like this should feel with flow and speed, I feel a rifle job would be cool (or a more extreme larger gun) but anything that doesn't feel aggressive and fast might not capture the image of a raging demon (in essence). I like the idea of a morphing weapon and I don't think it's too much haha <3, but I might be hard to sell SE on a weapon that's many weapons.

I like your suggestion a gun that turns into a shield into a sword, etc, etc, that'd require SE to make many weapons or unique animations for each weapon - unless you have an idea that would simplify that, cause it sounds cool just "hard". So that's why I went with what would be pretty unique weapon but still "shifts" and "morphs" and would also add a lot of mood to the character.

When I read vampire, my mind immediately went over bravely default's vampire, which is basically a form of blue mage.

I could be behind OP's idea of vampire as a minigame that I think I'd like to umbrella it under what I call FF14's MonsterVerse, feature Blue Mage, Beast Master, Morpher and that Vampire idea.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

When I read vampire, my mind immediately went over bravely default's vampire, which is basically a form of blue mage.

I could be behind OP's idea of vampire as a minigame that I think I'd like to umbrella it under what I call FF14's MonsterVerse, feature Blue Mage, Beast Master, Morpher and that Vampire idea.

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:( .. lol.. Another job I'd want to play put behind a wall that gravely damages my interest in it ;/

Although I'd be fine if there was a transformation job + another content that was a mini game (either same job as "advanced job" concept or different pieces of content entirely). But definitely sad if they added it as a mini game and were like "welp we did that concept, it's all done now".

Morpher could be the limited job, and the Chaos Materia Vincent concept the "normal" job.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I'd love to see a giant cannon sort of gun lol, but to be honest I don't see the Vincent sort of job fitting that.. personally at least, do you? I mean big giant gun or rifle (both are larger than a normal gun lol).

This "weapon" idea might seem a bit weird but what if it was a cloak/scarf/battle sash (Nezha from ancient Chinese myth). "wot?".. Hear me out lol.

You know how Vincent has that cool cloak right? Imagine if it did a sort of Spawn (comic hero, has a shifting suit with an epic cloak and chains) / Doctor Strange (watch the movie lol) / Bayonetta (technically her suit is her hair but it shifts as she casts spells) / Voldemort last movie scene with Harry Potter as he shoots out jets of black and uses his cape type combat.

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if you remember vincents spinoff game, he is proficient in all firearms, the handgun is just his signature weapon. but he is able to use shotguns, sniper rifles, and even a bazooka i think. a spawn type cloak would be interesting, and play more on the mysterious aspect of that kind of class/job. but we have a lot of physical dps classes, i feel it would get lost in the swarm. but theres only 2 ranged dps classes right now, mechanist and archer/bard. unless by long range melee, it would still count as ranged dps, then it might work there.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

When I read vampire, my mind immediately went over bravely default's vampire, which is basically a form of blue mage.

I could be behind OP's idea of vampire as a minigame that I think I'd like to umbrella it under what I call FF14's MonsterVerse, feature Blue Mage, Beast Master, Morpher and that Vampire idea.

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i would be kinda sad if they did another limited job or minigame thing with this idea. the blue mage was an extremely deep and fun class in past ffs and it feels like it wasnt upheld for what they gave it in ff14. i would like the class to be as close to what vincent was as possible, but i admit thats probably unlikely. id have to pass like 10 luck checks on top of eachother to get exactly what i want lol ;)

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Originally Posted by Keife191

if you remember vincents spinoff game, he is proficient in all firearms, the handgun is just his signature weapon. but he is able to use shotguns, sniper rifles, and even a bazooka i think. a spawn type cloak would be interesting, and play more on the mysterious aspect of that kind of class/job. but we have a lot of physical dps classes, i feel it would get lost in the swarm. but theres only 2 ranged dps classes right now, mechanist and archer/bard. unless by long range melee, it would still count as ranged dps, then it might work there.

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I forgot there were other weapons lol, just remember my big handguns lol. But good point :).


As for the range I was thinking a third of bard and melee (ranged but not long range), with of course transformations added on top he might change style accordingly.


Perhaps consider the idea it grows/empowers such that it starts short range and ends up long range?

You're right there are a lot of melee though.

Hell yes make it use shapeshifting for tanking like vincent

Wasn't something akin to vampirism in one of the class quests already? You couldn't take part in it of course, but it was linked into the class. I suppose any ability where you heal from dealing damage could be seen as semi vampiric as well.

To elaborate on why I feel MonsterVerse jobs should be relegated to minigames:

Take a look at SMN...then think about how would you feel if SE told you could only control/morph into 3 monsters. Forever.

"Forever?"
"Forever. Please look forward to it."

As long as it isn't actually called "Vampire", XIV does not need the rebirth of the Twilight crowd.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

To elaborate on why I feel MonsterVerse jobs should be relegated to minigames:

Take a look at SMN...then think about how would you feel if SE told you could only control/morph into 3 monsters. Forever.

"Forever?"
"Forever. Please look forward to it."

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I understand what you're suggesting, a sort of preventive measure in design but I'd really not like to see that happen anyways. I'd rather have had a Blue Mage with limited spells than the Blue Mage we have right now. In Blue Mage's defense it was sort of a beta and it has room to grow, if they end up making it OP to the point that it doesn't need a group to solo for any spell and some more interactions and QoL is added to the job I might find it interesting even if I would be sad it's not a normal job. At the end of the day I'll always prefer it would be an Advanced job though, one that has both limited and normal components.

Counter point to that is WoW has had a small selection of transformations for Druid and Druid fans have gone on well enough. It's true that fans of a Chaos materia job (not using the word vampire because I think it's confusing people off the point of OP, who was refrencing specifically Vincent's ability to change), but I think people will always want more and it's not impossible for SE to design a few solid options like WoW has and call it a great start.

Obviously you have your combat forms, but SE could also design transportation forms (like WoW has a water, ground, and air, as well as visual upgrades of those said forms).

Anyway, I really hope SE doesn't think this way on the concept of transformation. I know you meant well so I'm not trying to be mean but if SE announces another neat concept into exclusively mini-game content I think my heart will just sink. I say exclusively because I have no problem with the idea that Morpher would become a mini game, and so the concept isn't exclusive. Morpher of course being that job that's a bit like Blue Mage but on a remix, taking the form of one monster at the time gaining more spells but less "snap" flexibility (can't cast two different groups of monsters spells at once).

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Wasn't something akin to vampirism in one of the class quests already? You couldn't take part in it of course, but it was linked into the class. I suppose any ability where you heal from dealing damage could be seen as semi vampiric as well.

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The antagonist of the red mage 50 to 60 story was basically a vampire. I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about.

It's not the first time a "vampire" has been pitched as a job concept, and almost positive it wouldn't be the last. The only real issue is that it would require the protagonist (the player's character) to find some way of committing unspeakable horrors without being seen as "evil", especially when Black Mage is already perceived to be right on the edge of that. As for transformation, I know for a fact that this wouldn't be the first idea to suggest it. I did it before making a concept of "Sorcerer", although to bring it to multiple roles would either mean changing itemization (which seems far too unlikely) or having to rubber-stamp it with the L-word as a job.

The closest thing I could forsee is a job using a transformation effect these days is as a cooldown ability, but likely nothing beyond that. Whether or not it's anything like a vampire, I doubt it unless it does a really good job changing our understanding of what a vampire is.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

It's not the first time a "vampire" has been pitched as a job concept, and almost positive it wouldn't be the last. The only real issue is that it would require the protagonist (the player's character) to find some way of committing unspeakable horrors without being seen as "evil", especially when Black Mage is already perceived to be right on the edge of that. As for transformation, I know for a fact that this wouldn't be the first idea to suggest it. I did it before making a concept of "Sorcerer", although to bring it to multiple roles would either mean changing itemization (which seems far too unlikely) or having to rubber-stamp it with the L-word as a job.

The closest thing I could forsee is a job using a transformation effect these days is as a cooldown ability, but likely nothing beyond that. Whether or not it's anything like a vampire, I doubt it unless it does a really good job changing our understanding of what a vampire is.

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i think shogun is right lol, the name is tripping people up. i was just using that title as a reference to vincent. i dont think the class needs any blooddrinking powers or needs to be on the evil spectrum. just a class similar to summoner, but you transform into monsters instead of summoning them. like what vincent does.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

The antagonist of the red mage 50 to 60 story was basically a vampire. I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about.

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Mhm; yes. That guy. He was pretty much a vampire; which I thought was pretty damned cool.

Will they spakle in the daylight?

Doesn't Dark Knight have a thing where they can heal themselves by dealing damage?

*Swaps to Dark Knight and checks hotbar tooltips*

Yes, yes they do.

The whole concept of healing yourself by hitting the other guy is at least semi-vampiric in nature, though it's using DARKNESS! to simulate the effect rather than being an actual vampire.

Work from that angle, use the idea behind the Dark Knight and apply it to ranged weapon user, watch the DARKNESS! powered guns wreck folks.
Same power source, drastically different playstyle.

Does this work? Or are the problems with the idea that i'm not seeing?

OP lol if you don't mind in a few weeks I might revive the topic with a different title XD. I'm interested in the idea :D. Also wont stop posting here but just after it's passed the main page some time later I figured I could make a thread on it as well (rather than bump).

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Originally Posted by Mixt

Doesn't Dark Knight have a thing where they can heal themselves by dealing damage?

*Swaps to Dark Knight and checks hotbar tooltips*

Yes, yes they do.

The whole concept of healing yourself by hitting the other guy is at least semi-vampiric in nature, though it's using DARKNESS! to simulate the effect rather than being an actual vampire.

Work from that angle, use the idea behind the Dark Knight and apply it to ranged weapon user, watch the DARKNESS! powered guns wreck folks.
Same power source, drastically different playstyle.

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OP is refering to Vincent's chaos materia ability, in FF7 his limit break turns him into neat demon like monsters and in FF Dirge of Cerebrus you get to see him in chaos form:

https://i.imgur.com/VvmQyME.png

https://i.imgur.com/061N2hn.png

^ Vincent (as you may recall he is this way from experiments by Hojo, that nice guy who made Sephiroth and Cloud who they are - really nice guy, good fam man :P).

So a bit like darkness power you reference I guess but a key point of the OP is not blood sucking but rather transformation.

As obsessed with vampires as I am, and them being present in past iterations of FF games, I still can't help but feel like vampires are so unorthodox and black sheepish in the world of FF. I think we would sooner see them among the voidsent than a playable job. Still though, I would welcome just about any job whose powers border on being eldritch if the lore and playability are intact.

Ok but it's a limited job, as in it can't do anything during the day.

Make it so!

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Originally Posted by Gemina

As obsessed with vampires as I am, and them being present in past iterations of FF games, I still can't help but feel like vampires are so unorthodox and black sheepish in the world of FF. I think we would sooner see them among the voidsent than a playable job. Still though, I would welcome just about any job whose powers border on being eldritch if the lore and playability are intact.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Ok but it's a limited job, as in it can't do anything during the day.

Make it so!

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OP doesn't mean a literal vampire. They meant Vincent, with the chaos materia. Which is why they referenced the Lust Pomander.

On void magic though I bet that'd make a neat backstory and theme, I'd love the job to drip eldritch mystery and danger.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

OP doesn't mean a literal vampire. They meant Vincent, with the chaos materia. Which is why they referenced the Lust Pomander.

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I understood, but Vincent doesn't exist in Eorzea and vampires might. So my suggestion stands, plus I'm scared of them so if I can avoid them at night that would be best!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

OP doesn't mean a literal vampire. They meant Vincent, with the chaos materia. Which is why they referenced the Lust Pomander.

On void magic though I bet that'd make a neat backstory and theme, I'd love the job to drip eldritch mystery and danger.

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I know, but the thread title is still "New Job - Vampire", not "New Job - Vincent" so I addressed the header specifically. If the job plays in attunement to Vincent's powers though, can it really be called Vampire? I would fully expect a job of the vampire class to have abilities such as turning into mist to negate damage, NOT use guns, HP restoration through siphoning the blood of their opponents, teleportation as a form of their gap closer/retreat, morphing into various creatures of the night, among other well-known vampiric traits.

As far as Vincent goes, in addition to the lust pomanders, there are many mechanics that have us take on other forms such as gorillas, imps, and frogs so it is something I think the devs could accomplish. The Spawn like cape Vincent possesses is also interesting because iirc, his cape is sentient and could have a lore of its very own much like a SCH's faerie.

@Colino / Gemina

I mean in an aspect the title is what the title is but it's not the intention of the thread .... /cry lol. I guess because I'm interested in the idea I was hoping people wouldn't fix on the title but rather read the "article" per say. I'm sure people are used to that on reddit and stuff lol, "actor dies" meanwhile the article is "actor dies in their movie as X character" and its just like .. great now the comments are all over XD.

It's not off topic since it literally is part of the topic but it was obviously not meant to be a key part of it, so no one is doing something they're not supposed to but not what was intended by the thread either - which is unfortunate. :3. Also I'm no god of staying on topic either, so definitely take my protest with a mountain of salt <3.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

As far as Vincent goes, in addition to the lust pomanders, there are many mechanics that have us take on other forms such as gorillas, imps, and frogs so it is something I think the devs could accomplish. The Spawn like cape Vincent possesses is also interesting because iirc, his cape is sentient and could have a lore of its very own much like a SCH's faerie.

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You felt that too? That's cool :D.. What do you think if the cape was the weapon for this job? Since you know Spawn it might be easier to imagine that than someone who's only reference is Doctor Strange (tried to reference Spawn too). Like Spawn, in part like Bayonetta, it could be really interesting "weapon" concept that I don't think you'd see as an item to equip very often in a game (especially as an MMO).

Also would ensure the brooding look of the job I think lol and an opportunity to make some wild looking relic weapon. The animations would need to be able to be designed well though, but once done I think it would work (attack animations/ability animations outside of transformations would be beyond just a simple sword swing). It could also be a key part in the animation shift into void monster like things or gameplay mechanics (auto defending cloak/growth mechanics, etc), helping animate the shift (covering parts up so it looks good from human to not).

Is Vincent's cloak actually sentient though? I don't remember reading about that, that'd be cool to know. I feel void / eldritch magic with a sentient cloak would work well together as well, and with the cloak could give the job high mobility - at least I imagine a Vincent inspired job to be very mobile.

A number of your vampire abilities could be used on Vincent but I think that's because he's "vampire-lite" basically lol, he's not a vampire clearly but it isn't wrong to say he's inspired by many of the ideas.

You know, i am reminded of a story i read once.

The MC of that story was kind of an unholy abomination metaphysically speaking, that is to say, his soul was weird as hell, which led to some highly abnormal results when a demon tried to possess him.

Some other character: ...Did your soul just EAT that demon?
MC: *Shrug*
Demon: *Torn apart and entirely subsumed by the soul of the guy it tried to bodyjack*

Hilarity ensued.


What would it look like if a similiar accident were to occur within the world of FF14?

Not so clever Voidsent tries consuming energy field bigger than it's head (We all know what the Evil Overlord List has to say on the subject), energy field consumes voidsent instead, energy field in question being the WOL's soul, because Echo/Blessing of Light/DARKNESS!/other shenanigans that may or may not occur in the future going on in there all at once having some odd effects.

And then WOL was Vincent V.2
Just tossing out some ideas.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

OP lol if you don't mind in a few weeks I might revive the topic with a different title XD. I'm interested in the idea :D. Also wont stop posting here but just after it's passed the main page some time later I figured I could make a thread on it as well (rather than bump).



OP is refering to Vincent's chaos materia ability, in FF7 his limit break turns him into neat demon like monsters and in FF Dirge of Cerebrus you get to see him in chaos form:

https://i.imgur.com/VvmQyME.png

https://i.imgur.com/061N2hn.png

^ Vincent (as you may recall he is this way from experiments by Hojo, that nice guy who made Sephiroth and Cloud who they are - really nice guy, good fam man :P).

So a bit like darkness power you reference I guess but a key point of the OP is not blood sucking but rather transformation.

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yes, you can do that. i love this class idea and i want it to grow like a wildfire. i have a thought about the combat style. if you want to go with the scarf as the weapon, i was thinking of vegito from dbz, his fighting is unique like a floating kickboxer and would fit a character like this, and then the scarf would cover your body like bayonettas hair and then youd transform into a behemoth like vincent. (PS sorry for the title)

this would put it into the melee dps category though, so not ideal for what i had originally thought, but still a great idea. and this would keep it unique enough that it wouldnt be forgotten in the plethora of up close fighters.

i just had another idea for how they could activate the transformations. ive been watching seven deadly sins lately, and theres this pig on it that turns into anything he eats, kinda like how ff9s blue mage got their abilities by eating monsters. what if the scarf devours enemies that are low on hp and then youd transform into a monster archtype that shared its style. you eat a tank type enemy and youd turn into a giant, a dps enemy youd turn into a behemoth, magic enemy youd turn into a succubus or something etc.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

@Colino / Gemina

I mean in an aspect the title is what the title is but it's not the intention of the thread .... /cry lol. I guess because I'm interested in the idea I was hoping people wouldn't fix on the title but rather read the "article" per say. I'm sure people are used to that on reddit and stuff lol, "actor dies" meanwhile the article is "actor dies in their movie as X character" and its just like .. great now the comments are all over XD.

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Ohhh don't mind me. I was just defending my post and should have addressed what the OP was talking about in my initial post. xD Hopefully my second post was more on topic. Totes my bad!

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You felt that too? That's cool :D.. What do you think if the cape was the weapon for this job? Since you know Spawn it might be easier to imagine that than someone who's only reference is Doctor Strange (tried to reference Spawn too). Like Spawn, in part like Bayonetta, it could be really interesting "weapon" concept that I don't think you'd see as an item to equip very often in a game (especially as an MMO).

Also would ensure the brooding look of the job I think lol and an opportunity to make some wild looking relic weapon. The animations would need to be able to be designed well though, but once done I think it would work (attack animations/ability animations outside of transformations would be beyond just a simple sword swing). It could also be a key part in the animation shift into void monster like things or gameplay mechanics (auto defending cloak/growth mechanics, etc), helping animate the shift (covering parts up so it looks good from human to not).

Is Vincent's cloak actually sentient though? I don't remember reading about that, that'd be cool to know. I feel void / eldritch magic with a sentient cloak would work well together as well, and with the cloak could give the job high mobility - at least I imagine a Vincent inspired job to be very mobile.

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I actually really like the idea of this cloak or cape being a weapon. I really enjoyed the anima questline and having a weapon that is sentient. The potential to be a really cool job with even cooler abilities is certainly there. Vincent was one of my favorite characters from VII not too far behind Tifa. I never got to play his spinoff game, but he was formidable in Advent Children and made me wish I did play it. The animations would make a lot of other jobs envious, and I can definitely see 'monster mechanics' being a thing. I feel the devs have been quite creative with our current jobs and this one would be no exception.

As far as Vincent's cloak actually being sentient, I am not 100% sure, but I could have sworn I read about his lore somewhere. I could be wrong though, but it would make a lot of sense if it was. SE isn't exactly original when it comes to their concepts, but they do have a great way of putting their own spin on things. Who knows. Maybe sometime in the not so distant future we might get a job that pays a lot of his fans service. They might have to give it a different tag than vampire, but it can work either way. :)

I'd love a druid style class with shapeshifts

Final fantasy 7 chars are not based in jobs like other ff games. Its just my opinion but vampire its not a job its a race in fantasy games. Ill pass.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Not what I was expecting from the title but yes I'd love a transformation job, dark themed like Vincent.

I think of Harmonixer from Shadow Hearts in that vein as well. Or Dante's Sparda form from Devil May Cry.

Also on guns you could give this job dual wielding guns instead? There are other items of course.

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Now that would be a unique Job that I'd love to see in XIV.