Please press F12

Hello fellow FFXIV players.

I am trying to offer advice to help players have an enjoyable experience.

The original post seemed to not be so helpful as it initially did not include gamepad users.

Keyboard Users:

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Playstation (Trademark) Users:
(with nothing selected/no current target)

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XboX/Microsoft (trademark) Users:
(with nothing selected/no current target)

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To target Aetherytes, NPC's, summoning bells you name it, you can use these buttons.

This completely ignores all player characters and lets you target such targets easily and instantly.



I would like to offer up many players help/advice in regards to targeting.

I have seen not only in the new "prohibited behavior policy" that it states:

"overlapping an important NPC deliberately for a long time."

Or players asking that NPC be placed "on a pedestal" or being unable to click on summoning bells.

I hope many many players read this thread to know, often times when there is similar issues in gameplay, that the FFXIV development already has something in place to help completely dissolve such issues.

From the HUD customization, to the Gamepad-hotbar and regular hotbar customization, duty finder settings, party finder settings, the list goes on.

Instead of reporting a player who is standing on top of a summoning bell, or quest NPC please just press F12.

It is also helpful, and might be imperative moving forward as a forum community to help avoid needless bans, that we ask questions of fellow players for gameplay or settings advice that already exist which can help us avoid requesting things from the development team.



Thank you and happy gaming!

It's a sad day when most of the playerbase is too aftaid to play for fear of being banned.

it's good you post this, but F12 isn't exactly useful for console players that don't use a keyboard. Though let's say they have a keyboard, it may not be something always in range, personally I just use it for typing any other time it's placed away from me so I'm not going to pick it up just to press F12 you know. Not that I couldn't but practicality, it shouldn't be necessary.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

It's a sad day when most of the playerbase is too aftaid to play for fear of being banned.

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The solution for this is pretty simple though. Just don't be a jerk. Problem solved.

https://i.imgflip.com/2thu0z.jpg

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

To be honest even when it has been really crazy I've been able to just click them, I feel like the audience really getting hit are consoles lol.

Thanks for the tip though, with the whale mounts and FFXV car upcoming it might become extra fun and maybe I'll use this XD. :)

in the case of NPCs being hidden by all players standing right on them, it would be nice, probably, if they add a short invisible wall around them so you have a good distance to see them and interact with them. I dunno, the idea of a pedestal sounds weird lol

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

in the case of NPCs being hidden by all players standing right on them, it would be nice, probably, if they add a short invisible wall around them so you have a good distance to see them and interact with them. I dunno, the idea of a pedestal sounds weird lol

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To be honest I'd really like to see collision used more in this game/better. There are objects that have flat tops but you can't land on because.. because, meanwhile there are a number of objects you can just walk through (including NPCs).

would be neat to see people have collision (at least the NPCs, maybe not the people). Although you might be able to have a very very soft variant of what housing objects use for people. In housing you run into the object for a bit then phase through; however, here with people to people maybe you sort of hit a soft speed bump but keep moving (no pause). Would increase the "immersion" by a few points if people were trained to walk around each other with a soft system like that (not needed though, and it has to be soft otherwise people will block each other so hard lol).

I have no idea what this thread is about and what people rant about, i never personally had any problems aiming the bell or the npc. hmmmm

X does not work this way. I can hit X and still select players.

Also tangentially related, this is especially frustrating in the Ghimit Dark where all the NPC support you get following you through the dungeon is, for some reason, still targetable by pressing X even if you have your settings done in such a way as to only allow you to select enemies when you press X with your weapon drawn. Also, this game doesn't exist in XBox, so the A button point isn't needed.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

X does not work this way. I can hit X and still select players.

Also tangentially related, this is especially frustrating in the Ghimit Dark where all the NPC support you get following you through the dungeon is, for some reason, still targetable by pressing X even if you have your settings done in such a way as to only allow you to select enemies when you press X with your weapon drawn. Also, this game doesn't exist in XBox, so the A button point isn't needed.

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This is so true it hurts. I hate that in that dungeon, specially as melee.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

X does not work this way. I can hit X and still select players.

Also tangentially related, this is especially frustrating in the Ghimit Dark where all the NPC support you get following you through the dungeon is, for some reason, still targetable by pressing X even if you have your settings done in such a way as to only allow you to select enemies when you press X with your weapon drawn. Also, this game doesn't exist in XBox, so the A button point isn't needed.

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I'm rather confused to hear people are having targeting issues. Sometimes on a gamepad I do experience pressing "X" or "A" (yup, xbox controllers are a usable thing), and it clicks a target no where near what I wanted, but then I press "O" or "B", and try again. 9/10 times, it works how I want the second time. This has been such an easy solution for me over the years, I never knew people were having a problem with the difficulty of pressing the button.

I could see the issue if people changed the configuration...but I'm almost completely positive even with everything "targetable" "F12" "X" and "B" focus npc's and objects first, not players. Don't know what you've done to your settings, but sounds like it's something that is not helping you. Probably try going back to default, and see the joys you've been missing.

Issues with targeting in the newest dungeon? If you're on a gamepad, with L2/R2 held down, pressing L1/R1 will change targets (default, though you can change that). Dunno if it's because I've been a tank all my life, but it's become the norm to swap targets that way for so long that if I accidentally target something I don't want to, I simply grit my teeth and try my hardest to press the button again. It can be rough, but I've found that continuing to press buttons has led to a continuation of my life more times than I can count.

Sarcastic belittling aside, if people are having other targeting issues I'm happy to help, I am rather experienced on the topic.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Also, this game doesn't exist in XBox, so the A button point isn't needed.

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It exists on Windows PC, which for many people has an A button.

F12 eh?
Holding X was the default key for me. Keyboard.

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Originally Posted by AsbelLahnt

I'm rather confused to hear people are having targeting issues. .

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Thank you. XboX is a thing and yes X, A and F12 do in fact work. As the default anyway.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

F12 eh?
Holding X was the default key for me. Keyboard.

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Thanks for another option.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

it's good you post this, but F12 isn't exactly useful for console players that don't use a keyboard.

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Edited OP to reflect gamepad.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

The solution for this is pretty simple though. Just don't be a jerk. Problem solved.

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Its much more complicated than this. Just using someones name and correcting them is a ban-able offense.

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

in the case of NPCs being hidden by all players standing right on them, it would be nice, probably, if they add a short invisible wall around them so you have a good distance to see them and interact with them. I dunno, the idea of a pedestal sounds weird lol

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Please just press F12, X or A, it works. I use them all the time.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

X does not work this way. I can hit X and still select players.

Also, this game doesn't exist in XBox, so the A button point isn't needed.

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I am a gamepad user, I do it all the time, it works just fine for me.

My brother also used an XboX controller when he played. I also temporarily used an XboX controller on my PC. There even is an ingame setting to change the Gamepad config to XboX or Playstation.

Also, as stated by AsbelLahnt, its possible to hold L2 and then press R1 to target enemies. Its also possible to hold R2 and press L1. Happy gaming.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

It exists on Windows PC, which for many people has an A button.

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Thanks, my assumption with the post what that it was referring to Xbox players, which is impossible. I wasn't aware that PC players could use an Xbox controller.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

The solution for this is pretty simple though. Just don't be a jerk. Problem solved.

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You will learn over time that you don't have to be a jerk to get banned. :D

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Originally Posted by wereotter

X does not work this way. I can hit X and still select players.

Also tangentially related, this is especially frustrating in the Ghimit Dark where all the NPC support you get following you through the dungeon is, for some reason, still targetable by pressing X even if you have your settings done in such a way as to only allow you to select enemies when you press X with your weapon drawn.

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This. It’s incredibly annoying lol.

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Also, this game doesn't exist in XBox, so the A button point isn't needed.

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PC users that use controllers can opt for a PS4 or XBox controller, and set up an appropriate configuration that way. Not sure if an XBox controller would do the same thing a PS4 controller would with continuing to target things other than the thing that you want to target though—I use a PS4 controller on my PC.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

PC users that use controllers can opt for a PS4 or XBox controller, and set up an appropriate configuration that way. Not sure if an XBox controller would do the same thing a PS4 controller would with continuing to target things other than the thing that you want to target though—I use a PS4 controller on my PC.

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Can confirm that an Xbox and Steam controller would both do the same thing as the PS4 controller.

If you use a mouse and keyboard, have your mouse hover over an NPC's name. It prioritizes the NPC over players. Was extremely useful for booking a wedding the first week it was made available. You can also turn off selecting PCs in Character Configuration -> Control Settings -> Target [or] Filters tabs as well as what gets selected for having a weapon drawn or sheathed.

Pressing X on PS4 prioritizes NPCs and monsters over PCs for me. As long as the NPC or monster model has loaded (which may take a while, in really crowded situations), a single click of X will immediately target it (or another monster or NPC in range), rather than any player character. However, once you've selected an NPC or monster, pressing left or right on the D-pad to change targets WILL include PCs - unless you have your weapon drawn. (I think that's the default, anyway.)

When doing MSQs soon after a patch, and I want to talk to the side NPCs around the quest NPC when there's a huge crowd of people, I'll often draw my weapon to target them more easily.

I hate Ghimlyt for this reason. In a stationary situation X button does prioritize objects and NPCs. Problem is, it prioritizes them in a dungeon too. And unfortunately due to certain ARR and HW dungeons where you actually need to heal an NPC, I don't have it filtered out. There's also a setting you can adjust that auto targets either whats visually closest or...what you're facing or something like that. Rule of thumb tho: up and down on the D-pad cycles thru your party. Left and right cycles thru enemies on the field (and if you don't have it turned off, NPC player characters too I believe). Targeting there isnt too horrible but in a large pull it can be hard to target when you're going for the meatiest or most central ad for DoT spreading and such.

Not sure why the whole blocking pathways or NPCs has always been listed as against the rules in this game when it is quite literally impossible for anyone to block anyone’s access through any pathway or to an NPC. There is always a way to target and interact with any npc regardless of how many people are clustered on or around it, and no one can physically block a path because characters don’t collide with each other, we just walk right through. Like why bother making stipulations in the rules for things that cannot actually happen given the way the game is designed?

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Originally Posted by Tempest222

Not sure why the whole blocking pathways or NPCs has always been listed as against the rules in this game when it is quite literally impossible for anyone to block anyone’s access through any pathway or to an NPC. There is always a way to target and interact with any npc regardless of how many people are clustered on or around it, and no one can physically block a path because characters don’t collide with each other, we just walk right through. Like why bother making stipulations in the rules for things that cannot actually happen given the way the game is designed?

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People can't physically block you from entering/leaving a location, sure, but they can make progress harder or troll certain situations by doing things like standing on top of summoning bells or standing right in an area you have to interact with to trigger a cutscene or instance and refusing to move, or by standing inside a quest NPC. I see people doing this all the time, especially during seasonal events. Basically they're putting into the rules that they don't approve of this behavior.