OH GOD NO...

Koji: "We are currently working on developing Eureka like content for 5.0"

Please no... stop... no more Eureka... ever... please...

As long as it's not like Pagos I'm all for it.

In 5 years of playing this game, after a cash shop being added, housing being utterly screwed up, and all sorts of other minor issues, this is the first thing that has legitimately made me consider unsubbing. I don't want to play a game that insists on diverting resources to something that the players very vocally do not want!

eureka like content has a lot of playroom with what that will actually mean. so before complaining NOW and saying "ill unsub" I just would wait whats actually gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

In 5 years of playing this game, after a cash shop being added, housing being utterly screwed up, and all sorts of other minor issues, this is the first thing that has legitimately made me consider unsubbing. I don't want to play a game that insists on diverting resources to something that the players very vocally do not want!

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The vocal players, in this case, are very much a minority. Eureka was well received by many players and is consistently active when I enter any of the maps. If you and the other critics do not like it, that's fine - but many do and have no issue with resources being allocated towards such content.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The vocal players, in this case, are very much a minority. Eureka was well received by many players and is consistently active when I enter any of the maps. If you and the other critics do not like it, that's fine - but many do and have no issue with resources being allocated towards such content.

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You can have Eureka all you want. As long as they don't tie the Relic weapon to it.

For the love of god please STOP
I tolerated Eureka for Krile. I refuse to ever do any more of this crap.

I'm fine with Eureka continuing as long as it wont hold relics/dyeable AF gear hostage again. Cause that was crap.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

I don't want to play a game that insists on diverting resources to something that the players very vocally do not want!

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Speak for yourself. The latter half of Eureka has been one of the best pieces of content SE has made in the past 5 years, and I know for a fact I'm far from the only one.

It definitely has and had flaws. But the dev team has only gotten better and better at making it an enjoyable experience.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The vocal players, in this case, are very much a minority. Eureka was well received by many players and is consistently active when I enter any of the maps. If you and the other critics do not like it, that's fine - but many do and have no issue with resources being allocated towards such content.

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The thing is a lot of people are there for the relic only. The question is whether or not the relic will be locked behind it again in the next expansion. That will be a part of how successful or not it'll be, I think.

I'm withholding judgement until we actually have information. There's been a gradual evolution toward what they want this kind of content to be, from Diadem to 4.55. So long as they take all the feedback into consideration, I really don't have a problem with it.

OH.........YES!
this will bring more life & meaningful contents to the open world,
not just idling in the town & queue for roulettes

Keep the relics out of it and I won't care if there's Eureka-like content and people that want it won't have their parade rained on by me.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I'm withholding judgement until we actually have information. There's been a gradual evolution toward what they want this kind of content to be, from Diadem to 4.55. So long as they take all the feedback into consideration, I really don't have a problem with it.

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I said the same thing when people were getting upset over Eureka being "diadem like" It's the entire formula of going into an instanced map that uses entirely different mechanics and requires several parties of people to even complete.

If the area was part of the main map and you could actually solo the content then things would be different.

You can keep your Diadem 4.0, just keep the relic out of it.

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Originally Posted by Dav2017

OH.........YES!
this will bring more life & meaningful contents to the open world,
not just idling in the town & queue for roulettes

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eureka instances are not open world, they are fully closed off instances

Even if there was some level sync system, Eureka would be 100% better.
As it stands, if your outpace your friends by just 2 levels, you're locked off from each other.

I actually preferred Pagos to the Logos actions and how they work / are obtained. I also didn't like the fact that they tied Logos actions to the relic when they are so annoying to get. (Unless you want to spend Gil on them.) Only problem I really had with Pagos was the level needed for the teleportation crystals.

So the open world areas are still useless in shadowbringer.

Well, with the changes that Eureka has received in Pyros, today is a very fun place and I hope we will see areas like these in the game.

Please make a separate relic weapon and quest line for Shadowbringers. Some people only went to Eureka because no alternative was given.

Best news of the day (with FFXV collab).
Thank you for continuing and improving Eureka content !

we had like, almost zero reaction here in the crowd during the whole Eureka section, especially during the extra dungeon part.
So if people are in Eureka not because they enjoy it, but because they are forced to because of all the stuff they locked behind it. Just saying.

I can only pray the relic isn't involved in this again, because that was awful.

If it's modeled off and improves on Pyros, I have absolutely no problem with it. I liked it. The grind is also much less intense than anything before, like the Lux relics, so you can be out of it much faster, unless you're grinding a whole load of weapons.

I'm afraid I don't really see the issue with it. It is optional content and mostly for glamours.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The thing is a lot of people are there for the relic only. The question is whether or not the relic will be locked behind it again in the next expansion. That will be a part of how successful or not it'll be, I think.

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As an added bonus, they can be done with it much faster than they ever could with the more prohibitive Lux grind.

They seem content with the awful design idea, so I guess I'm never making a relic again.

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

we had like, almost zero reaction here in the crowd during the whole Eureka section, especially during the extra dungeon part.
So if people are in Eureka not because they enjoy it, but because they are forced to because of all the stuff they locked behind it. Just saying.

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Speaking of which, do we really need another Deep Dungeon? By the time it came out I had all my DPS and 2 of my tanks at lvl 70. Not to mention the story was horrible for the Heavensward one. "Oh was it Allagans that made it, was it the Kami? No it was some group we've never heard of till now that made it as a training facility." At least Edda in Palace of the Dead was interesting. How many people actually challenge the higher levels. Does that amount make it worth it? I mean if the amount of people that do Ultimate fights make that worth it I guess the amount of people that challenge the tougher floors of Deep Dungeons make them worth it but, as for myself I went in once, got the story and then never set foot in there again.

I read a lot about how people make Eureka just for the relic, this does not exactly happen with all the content of the game?

Why do PVP revive? Because of the Garo event, people wanted the mounts.
Why do people make Alliance Raids? For the gear
Why do people make all the PVE content of this game? For the gear

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Please make a separate relic weapon and quest line for Shadowbringers. Some people only went to Eureka because no alternative was given.

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This. Honestly, many people I know slugged through it just for the sake of getting the relic, while I just couldn't deal with how laggy it got on my end even with effects turned off on everyone. And with mobs not loading on my screen.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

If it's modeled off and improves on Pyros, I have absolutely no problem with it. I liked it. The grind is also much less intense than anything before, like the Lux relics, so you can be out of it much faster, unless you're grinding a whole load of weapons.

I'm afraid I don't really see the issue with it. It is optional content and mostly for glamours.



As an added bonus, they can be done with it much faster than they ever could with the more prohibitive Lux grind.

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What is so great about Pyros? Sure you level faster but the crappy Logos Actions kill it for me. You can only get them from the stupid bunny chests, which is random if you get a bunny if there are to many people at the fate, random what chest you get, random what logo gram you get, and THEN it's random what logos action you get. On top of that you can only have 3 logo grams at a time. So any you make to complete your book get tossed out. Then if you still have a bunch of uses left of your logos action and you leave and reenter it's gone. Wither you had 99 casts left or 1. Then some of the stupid actions are so hard to get and combine into to make some really cool super action it gets "to good to use" syndrom. And to top it all off you don't even need logos actions in the zone. Man I HATE Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Nayout

I read a lot about how people make Eureka just for the relic, this does not exactly happen with all the content of the game?

Why do PVP revive? Because of the Garo event, people wanted the mounts.
Why do people make Alliance Raids? For the gear
Why do people make all the PVE content of this game? For the gear

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PVP is just for Gamour tho. The Relic weapon use to be a weapon you could use that would carry you through the expansion as long as you kept upgrading it. I never had to kill a single EX primal for a weapon in ARR or HW cause my Relic was good enough throughout each expansion. Alliance Raids also drop tomes, more with the roulette. Same goes for the PVE. Tomes and story.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

You can only get them from the stupid bunny chests, which is random if you get a bunny if there are to many people at the fate, random what chest you get, random what logo gram you get, and THEN it's random what logos action you get.

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You can buy them off of the Market Board. I made millions of gil selling them during the first few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Nayout

I read a lot about how people make Eureka just for the relic, this does not exactly happen with all the content of the game?

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People generally like getting rewards, that's not news. The difference between good and bad content is whether people enjoy the activity they are taking part in while chasing the reward.

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Originally Posted by Slirith

You can keep your Diadem 4.0, just keep the relic out of it.

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Not gonna lie, I'd much rather have Diadem back. That's how much I hate Eureka.

If they do intend on tying the relic into it though, I just hope they dumb it down compared to Eureka and keep remembering that the relic is always intended to be the weapon path option for casual players (yes tryhards, I know they're BiS, but you have savage weapons #dealwithit).

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Originally Posted by Theodric

You can buy them off of the Market Board. I made millions of gil selling them during the first few weeks.

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So people should be forced to spend gil on something they can get out of a chest to complete something required to get your weapon? That's no different than having to pay crafters for items for the ARR and HW relics and they eventually fixed that with the HW relics. Just because you can throw gil at something doesn't mean the system is okay or good. I also don't have millions of gil to spend on crappy logo grams I'm never going to use. Or perhaps I should say I refuse to.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

So people should be forced to spend gil on something they can get out of a chest to complete something required to get your weapon? That's no different than having to pay crafters for items for the ARR and HW relics and they eventually fixed that with the HW relics. Just because you can throw gil at something doesn't mean the system is okay or good. I also don't have millions of gil to spend on crappy logo grams I'm never going to use. Or perhaps I should say I refuse to.

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Gil isn't particularly difficult to make in this game and is typically best spent on something once you've gathered a decent amount. It's an option on the table, not a necessity - yet one that serves as a great convenience and worthwhile investment.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

PVP is just for Gamour tho. The Relic weapon use to be a weapon you could use that would carry you through the expansion as long as you kept upgrading it. I never had to kill a single EX primal for a weapon in ARR or HW cause my Relic was good enough throughout each expansion. Alliance Raids also drop tomes, more with the roulette. Same goes for the PVE. Tomes and story.

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If and to have updated you had to farm a lot because the items to keep it updated were the worst. In ARR was worse than everything seen so far, HW improved this and made the relic something much easier to get to the point that it was something too easy and fast.

And no, that of tomestone does not mean that that content is completed by tomestone when you can do the weekly cap doing only the expert roulette. I do my points by doing PVP And it does not mean that the PVP is done to cap points.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

People generally like getting rewards, that's not news. The difference between good and bad content is whether people enjoy the activity they are taking part in while chasing the reward.

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And who defines this? Because I think the Gold Saucer is a shit and I have to do it for mounts, there are people who do not enjoy doing PVP and do it for the mounts/gear.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

What is so great about Pyros? Sure you level faster but the crappy Logos Actions kill it for me. You can only get them from the stupid bunny chests, which is random if you get a bunny if there are to many people at the fate, random what chest you get, random what logo gram you get, and THEN it's random what logos action you get. .

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your overreacting and you know it you can get the 30 abilities needed for the weapon without touching a single bunny fate easily you only need to do bunnies if you want the mount hair or Armor even getting the armor doesn't require doing bunnies if you have gil you are willing to spend i understand you don't like it and that is fine Eureka has its fans and i'm glad they seem to continue to cater to them my hope is they do not tie as much resources as they have with SB to it going forward and give something the general populace would be more happy with.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

What is so great about Pyros? Sure you level faster but the crappy Logos Actions kill it for me. You can only get them from the stupid bunny chests, which is random if you get a bunny if there are to many people at the fate, random what chest you get, random what logo gram you get, and THEN it's random what logos action you get. On top of that you can only have 3 logo grams at a time. So any you make to complete your book get tossed out. Then if you still have a bunch of uses left of your logos action and you leave and reenter it's gone. Wither you had 99 casts left or 1. Then some of the stupid actions are so hard to get and combine into to make some really cool super action it gets "to good to use" syndrom. And to top it all off you don't even need logos actions in the zone. Man I HATE Eureka.

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I mean they add to your array of options over and above what you already have, often in quite meaningful ways, e.g. reflect farms. You don't even need to use them, other than for a one time step for your weapon, but it's easy to do that with the info available online.

Omg no god please no........ noooooooooooo!

3rd time is the charm? Please don’t tie the relic to it