Since we all have come to love our fun-filled Market Wards, and are always eager to hear that same snide comment they have for us each time we just want to drop off some excess bone chips, I think it's time we gave them a bit more responsibility in trade.
Being that they hold a cache of items that we intend to sell, I am wondering how difficult it would be to implement a system where the retainer volunteers new inventory into its bazaar. Prices set to everything in its inventory set prior would automatically move into the bazaar as a slot is cleared.
As far as which items would take priority, I could agree that the item/stack of items with the greatest total value should take precedence. Of course, because we're all about customization and pleasing everyone, the system can be toggled on or off.
Retainer System Improvement
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02-28-2012, 01:00 PMXooRetainer System Improvement
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02-28-2012, 01:40 PMEstellios
This is a great idea. With the bag system they could implement retainer inventories, they could theoretically make it so you arrange your wares and they would be put up for sale in that order with the next item down the list taking any available spots.
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02-28-2012, 11:02 PMJinkoWe have ? I hate it as much as ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
I think the meteor should kill all retainers for one and replace them with moogles.
Remove the wards from the game, move the moogle to the players housing where players can access the market features to sell and buy items.
Make the market user interface like a standard AH on any other MMO where you can sell and buy from the same interface (different tabs)
Yoshida - its time you nixed this horrible marketward, sure it's got better over the last 6-7 months but its still a horrible mess which takes 20-30 mins to check and sell items. -
02-28-2012, 11:19 PMXoo
I hear ya - I also wish they'd just scrap it for an Auction House. But, it doesn't seem that's going to happen, so I thought of a way to take better advantage of the situation. Instead of having to constantly monitor our retainer's bazaar, as I said, just pre-price your wares and have them sell themselves.
I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more responses, but it really doesn't surprise me; It's not a goobbue mount, it's something rather useful. -
02-28-2012, 11:27 PMleomike35
Love the idea and they could also give us a merchant linkshell that they can send us a tell reporting that an item sold. Something like "you would be pleased to know that the merchandise has a buyer." Then follow with what sold and for how much. That would make retainers more life like. Also let them level up and gain access to a quest that we could do to increase their inventory space.
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02-29-2012, 12:02 AMFelis+1Quote:
Originally Posted by leomike35
There was (or still is) certainly a level up system planned for the retainers. They have already Level 1 listed in the retainer list. -
02-29-2012, 12:28 AMDelsus
These are some good ideas, also how about when a retainer is not in the wards you could send them gathering for example, and thier level directly influances what they can get, I know STO has missions you can send your crew on and if they succeed you get energy credits/dilithium/exp etc etc, a similar system could work well in FFXIV with retainers, or possibly when you get GC ranks you could be given some recruits to do a mission for you and in a few hours they go back to your GC HQ and you speak to an npc and get any rewards.
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02-29-2012, 12:39 AMSkiesActually I do believe there will be a system to notify you when stuff is sold in 2.0... There was some dev commentary and if i'm not wrong if you look at the concept SS it's right there in the micro-menu. But then again the commentary was a good while ago so I might be wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by leomike35
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02-29-2012, 05:10 AMXoo
The biggest complaint I still have about the wards is, if you have multiple items you need to check the price of, you're bound to running back and forth from your retainer. I wish they would also implement a system where you can check the price history of an item in your retainer's inventory from your inventory.
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02-29-2012, 05:18 AMJinkoWe will get mail in 2.0 to tell us when retainers have made a sale, so at least that's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by leomike35
I don't want to see the gathering suggestion implemented, many of us have worked hard to level out gathering classes, this would be like a slap in the face and I don't think you should get to gather if you aren't actually doing it.
If I had to make some suggesting it would be:-
Move the price history to the retainer side and have it display when you choose an item for transaction.
Add an average price at the bottom of the price history for the last 20 days.
This would speed up the listing of items dramatically
From my other post
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/772/retainer.jpg
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02-29-2012, 05:26 AMXoo
Exactly what I was talking about Jinko, thanks.
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02-29-2012, 05:27 AMElexia
In the long run that won't do anything. There's far too many players with far too much gil, an "average price" won't speed up nor slow down selling, you can't force people to sell for a certain price.
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02-29-2012, 05:33 AMSkiesI think he means 'speed up' as in "Make it easier and a less time-consuming operation"Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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02-29-2012, 05:54 AMdarkstarpoet1i'm not really a fan of this idea for a few reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
#1 the retainers are supposed to leave the wards to open up space for other retainers to take their place.
#2 if someone is too lazy to take 2 min to check their retainers and put more items up for sale once something has sold then they don't deserve to sell anything out of there. -
02-29-2012, 06:01 AMXooRegarding 1: I thought a few patches ago that retainers were supposed to disappear after 7 days, but obviously that's not the case. The system I suggested wouldn't affect this.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1
And 2: I keep up with my retainer quite obsessively, but it's moreso being able to continue to sell things you wish to sell. Instead of NPCing all those Dodo Feathers, you can prematurely price them and once a spot opens, they automatically go up. It also potentially works well for crafters who need those odds and ends now and then. -
02-29-2012, 07:03 AMJinkoYea as Skies said, I meant speed up the process of listing items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
Instead of having to write a list of items i want to sell, run to the search interface and look for every item, all I would need to do is select the item > transaction and see what its worth.
It would lower price undercutting to some extent also, as of right now players can compare both the price history and going value from the search menu.
Sure you could still do this if the price history was moved to the retainer side but it would be a lot more time consuming so players would more like just use the price history or average.
Chances are someone would want the money the retainer was holding.Quote:
#1 the retainers are supposed to leave the wards to open up space for other retainers to take their place.
Plus if you are like me you are always restocking, adding and subtracting items that your retainer holds, they are more than just sell bots. -
02-29-2012, 07:04 AMdarkstarpoet1yeah, they were supposed to, but i have yet to see mine leave the wards. it would effect this if it read it as being active. once one item sold and another went in it would possibly look at the retainer as you had actively worked on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
my thing with the keeping up with the retainer is a 2 part issue.
(1) if you put up let's say 20 items by the time those items go up for sale they will likely be the highest price on the server with the amount of undercutting that goes on.
(2) it would give more an opportunity for the rmt to overtake the wards. they could always send bots out to farm day in and day out and put up the entire retainers worth of slots for sale at the same price(which nobody could undercut). they would then only have to sign in once a week to clear the gil off and throw another full retainer worth of items up. it would allow them to effectively corner a market with nobody having a chance to compete with the bots.
if you obsessively keep up with the retainer you know that just overnight you will be undercut and only half the items you put up sell. what it'd wind up with is tons of retainers up with no chance to sell any item because they go up automatically and it would keep others from being able to place up their goods.
i'm not against some sort of reform i just look at that as being a short term answer that could cause more of a long term issue. if there was a way to do this and bypass the issues(like only allow them to update for 24-48 hours without manually updating) i could see it as a rational idea. it could go as far as you could only put up 10 other items as long as they vary from the original 10 and you have to rent a stall for 48 hours to have access to that. after the 48 hours that retainer would automatically come down until it's repaid.
the idea you are suggesting would be fine for a general idea, but as far as ready to implement we have to consider the downsides along with the good parts it could have. those issues need to be fleshed out before it's ready to go into the game. -
02-29-2012, 07:44 AMXoo
Wait, as I understood it, retainers were supposed to disappear from the wards at the 7 day mark regardless of activity. There shouldn't be any way to circumnavigate it. You only have to come back and re-call your retainer.
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02-29-2012, 09:10 AMJinkoI went away from the game for a month and my retainer was still loaded in the ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
I guess they didn't turn that feature on yet. -
02-29-2012, 09:33 AMcarlosx
also alow then to sell 100 items on a line up will unbalance game economy and open doors for rmt markets just seling basic items rmt can over take game economy this why SE make the leves cratf rewards to be basic items needs on R45-50 armors soo a grup of people cant control market. only the item history in the selling menu is a good idea all other its just not commun sense
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03-01-2012, 12:08 AMRoaran
As far as I can understand OP wants items from the inventory to automatically go into the bazaar once a slot opens?
If that's the case I really like it. I've always thought bazaar and inventory space should be shared, so you can sell as many items as are available in your retainers inventory. But, if there needs to be a limit, I think this is a very nice way to alleviate the effects of such a limit. -
03-03-2012, 07:45 PMAlzelia
For the past 2 weeks everytime I enter the wards my game DCs. It should take 5 min to put stuff up for sale tops. It used to take me half an hour.... Now I don't even sell anything because it would take me 2 hours......
I really hope it gets fixed in 1.21.... -
03-05-2012, 06:54 AMXoo
That's been happening a lot to me lately as well Alzelia. ):
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03-05-2012, 10:38 PMtarilen
I'm new to the game and the current search/sell system is really a chore. The system in FFXI was different but not bad, whereas this one is just a headache. I see where the team tried to go with this but it just didn't work as it is to convoluted to be functional. I hate to think I have to 30 minutes to an hour managing my bazaar to sell my wares which is why currently I rarely do so :[
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03-06-2012, 07:24 AMXoo
Looking at the sale inventory of some retainers on items that I regularly sell, I see that not many actually maintain their retainers. IE: 99 stacks of items priced at 4-5 times what the going rate is that never sell. And then there's that group that will sell Moko Grass by the 2's and 3's...
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03-07-2012, 07:20 AMJinkoYup I imagine for any new players its enough to turn them away, especially when you are new to the game and need to make money to progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarilen
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03-07-2012, 08:15 AMlathosagreed gimme ah any dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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03-16-2012, 12:27 PMViritess
I kind of like having something less like a AH screen and more like a market myself. But Some things could definately be done to make it a much smoother experience.
Connected market wards. (Anima gates orsome such works fine as a "Travel" mechanic (read: Excuse)
Also allows folks to spread out a bit and still buy and sell to the whole populace.
Make the wards less of a hallway and more of a Bazaar (Wider or longer or both so you can). make the the distance you can place Retainers near eachother bigger. atleast big enough so it looks like your character could walk between them, then give them some small "selling" animations randomly and not often so in kind of seels like a Bazaar.
Let items from a retainers inventory que up onto free slots. Set up the que for items however is best/easiest.
My personal preferance would be to have the AH window in the/a ward and when you find the item you want, it auto runs you to the retainer its being sold on and opens their window, which would also help facilitate impulse purchases.
To me, this would make an AH type window helpful in finding and sorting items, but also keep the market/bazaar type feeling that i kind of like, personally. All the above would liekly depend on how big/ how much space/ and how many retainers you could have in a given area, and how much you may have to segment some areas so its not a loading nightmare.
But the combination of the two sounds more fun to me then a window, buy and done. Sucks the life out of shopping and though expediant, is also dull.