New Areas

Just because I am bored atm and too excited to wait for 2.0 I looked through the PDF files that SE released a couple of months ago. Looking at them I realized that some of those pictures are real renders. So out of bordum I decided to share them in case someone like me missed them. *too excited* I apologize for the blurriness. its all we have atm!

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Good to bring these up!

PS. Really hope that is a snow zone XD i miss the snow!!

Not enough fire.

Gath's 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil.

Agree snow and volcanic zones are much needed

cant wait for FABULOUS 2.0!

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Unfortunately, graphics are absolutely not the thing that does or has ever diminished the quality of this game..

I don't like zones. I like a seamless world.
EXAMPLE TIME: Skyrim, huge game, MOSTLY OPEN except for the big cities. I got a mod that makes it where its open skyrim or whatever, and the diffrence is crazy, sooooo much better, just that little zone going away boosted my immersion over 9000

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Originally Posted by Decconi

Just because I am bored atm and too excited to wait for 2.0 I looked through the PDF files that SE released a couple of months ago. Looking at them I realized that some of those pictures are real renders. So out of bordum I decided to share them in case someone like me missed them. *too excited* I apologize for the blurriness. its all we have atm!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b121/sycleoth/9.jpg

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The Second on two the bottom, the one above that, and the Windurst looking one, are the most Intriguing to me =). I can't wait for 2.0!!!

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I don't like zones. I like a seamless world.
EXAMPLE TIME: Skyrim, huge game, MOSTLY OPEN except for the big cities. I got a mod that makes it where its open skyrim or whatever, and the diffrence is crazy, sooooo much better, just that little zone going away boosted my immersion over 9000

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I think we'd all like seamless zones over loading screens and zone lines, but given the choice between the bland boring samey zones we have now, versus separated zones with more individuality, I would choose the latter.

I don't know why we can't have the best of both worlds though, but when the subject first got brought up, it seemed like those two options were our choices.

Why not just make it seamless? They are getting new servers.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I don't like zones. I like a seamless world.
EXAMPLE TIME: Skyrim, huge game, MOSTLY OPEN except for the big cities. I got a mod that makes it where its open skyrim or whatever, and the diffrence is crazy, sooooo much better, just that little zone going away boosted my immersion over 9000

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That's a matter of personal perspective, I found Skryrims environment to be rather dull and repetitive; snow, trees, dirt, rocks... meh. Zones make it easier to generate a seemingly large world without endless traveling, I'm not saying open worlds are bad, I like a lot of open world games, but if you have one continuous area from Ul'dah to Gridania you either have to have them so close that the dessert to forest change feels unnatural or make large expanses of empty land to cross to get there.

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Originally Posted by viion

Good to bring these up!

PS. Really hope that is a snow zone XD i miss the snow!!

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There was a huge thread about this not long ago... Not sure where it went.

But if I'm not mistaken someone was saying north Coerthas will become at least partially snowy... But yeah we definitely need a full on snow zone!

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This looks like Natalan.

Its far too late in the day to romanticise with the idea of keeping seamless. That boat sailed off a long time ago. Welcome aboard the zone train.

<Travels back in time>

Thread topic: Burn The Black Shroud to the ground!
YouTube Video: Copy-Pasta!

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Well, i can't remember exactly where all the quotes, threads ect are hiding but there was certainly a huge dislike for the copy paste feel. (See video link from 8:30mins)

I am really looking forward to The Black Shroud makeover, i love that autumn themed forest zone. Can't wait to see how the snow zone in Coerthas has turned out also.

I think the zones will feel big enough but it will bring back the problem of having to alert people in chat that your about to zone. (Although, they did say they were looking into solutions for that).

Man, the topic of the world redesign really gets me pumped for 2.0 especially when looking at the concept art.

Yoshi-P! Stay up till 5:30am on a Friday and sneak us some screenshots!! (Just like the Job quests).

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why not just make it seamless? They are getting new servers.

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Because SE obviously don't know how to do seemless.

That being said Yoshi said the zones are pretty massive so I guess it won't be such a big deal.

As someone said Skyrim was pretty repetitive, of course Tera has amazingly detailed and different zones and does it all with streaming so SE has no excuse really.

I'm happy with Zones if they each have a completely different feel, like FF11 did.

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Originally Posted by Dibria

That's a matter of personal perspective, I found Skryrims environment to be rather dull and repetitive; snow, trees, dirt, rocks... meh. Zones make it easier to generate a seemingly large world without endless traveling, I'm not saying open worlds are bad, I like a lot of open world games, but if you have one continuous area from Ul'dah to Gridania you either have to have them so close that the dessert to forest change feels unnatural or make large expanses of empty land to cross to get there.

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Correct. This is what you get with seamless. If you have a world that is seamless and you want to make it unique you are going to have an asinine file size. What seamless does is take a part of the same land and morphs the terrain to a different shape over and over as you move through it, but it generally all looks the same regardless. Some games do it better than others. Some don't. FFXIV certainly doesn't do a great job with it, but regardless you cannot really have a unique world like a world you'd find in the series and make it seamless.

A final fantasy world is generally too out there and unique in it's art direction to get away with it. Skyrim can due to it's art direction. It is suppose to have a realistic mid-evil feel.

ZAM Question #9: Seamless zones are being eliminated in Version 2.0. Many people like seamless zones, which weren't in FFXI. What is the benefit to having zones with transitions?

Yoshida: "One of (my) favorite games lately is Red Dead Redemption, and they did the seamless world really beautifully. If you could make an MMORPG that fit in that size of a world, then seamless would be the way to go. For a large MMORPG, you have to have a lot of content, and when the map becomes too small, then you don't have enough room to put all that content in. For example, you have a battle with Garuda, and you want to have that on the top of a mountain, a very big mountain. But in a seamless world, people are going to have to get to the bottom of the mountain, and then climb up this whole mountain to get there. Unless your MMO is called Mountain Climbing Online, it's not something that most players are going to want to do. Yes it's seamless, but do players really want to spend 30 minutes climbing the mountain before they get to the fight.

"If you do have, for example, a small road leading up there, then yes, you can have monsters on it and have it a challenge to get up there. But if it's a seamless, open world, then you're just going to have this big mountain, and players are just going to be running up this mountain and that's it.

"You can make the game so you have that road up, make invisible walls and make that road up to the mountain and have it filled up with monsters, but that just creates stress for the players. Yes it's seamless, but there's that unwanted stress, when players, what they want to do is fight Garuda. Even though you take away the seamlessness by having the zones, you can still make the experience similar. For example, once you get to the top of the mountain, you can still look down and see the bottom of the mountain and have this wonderful landscape in front of you, but without having to actually go up that landscape. You can go there, fight your battle and still see the beautiful scenery without having to go through the pain.

"The one benefit of going beyond seamless is you can make things more dynamic. If you want to do something dynamic, yes you can make something dynamic in a seamless world, but you have to do everything in between there as well, which takes a lot of time and effort and can be a very challenging thing. By removing the seamlessness, you can make each area be that much more dynamic and add that much more content to it, and so that's the exchange that we're offering the players. Yes we're going to be moving to this zone type of system, but each area is going to be that much more original and that much more dynamic."

I remember that the battle climbing comment really saddened me. I want to spend 30 minutes climbing a mountain.

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Originally Posted by Picoman

"Yes we're going to be moving to this zone type of system, but each area is going to be that much more original and that much more dynamic."

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And that's all I'm hoping for really. If they can't do seamless without bland and copy/paste everywhere, I'd much rather have zones.

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Originally Posted by Mug

I remember that the battle climbing comment really saddened me. I want to spend 30 minutes climbing a mountain.

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You are right. I remember reading that and thinking... did he just talk himself out of a good idea because of what he ASSUMES we'd feel about it? That is preposterous.

You can't agree with that bruce!~ Its been done before! NOT ORIGINAL! Stop living in the past of previous games!

Whats crazy is that PDF came out in what, October? Wonder what kind of progress they have produced since then.

the landscapes looks great, plus more dynamic content, that is what i want. it sounds 100x better than climbing a mountain.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

You can't agree with that bruce!~ Its been done before! NOT ORIGINAL! Stop living in the past of previous games!

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Oh, you're a smoothie.

"Seamless zones are being eliminated in Version 2.0."

FF XIV isn't seamless now, there are still loading screens separating each zone so 2.0 really isn't going to be all that different, expect loading will likely happen more often. I don't have a problem with it myself.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why not just make it seamless? They are getting new servers.

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Think the problem isnt the loading in between areas but the areas changing themselfs. Like Between Thananla & The Black Shroud isnt seamless cus it jumps from Desert to forest right away. All Areas in 2.0 gonna be like that cus they need to change the areas up.

If they made it truely seamless they would need to make the in between change over with the floor textures and trees and nature. If you ever played Skyrim they do a good job of this.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Agree snow and volcanic zones are much needed

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Holy crap, I REALLY want them to make the LL Volcano a zone!

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Okay, that first one is totally windurst.

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Originally Posted by Mug

I remember that the battle climbing comment really saddened me. I want to spend 30 minutes climbing a mountain.

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Yeah, I'd like to be able to climb the mountain to Garuda as well. I like to see the world change as I traverse it; everything feels much more real that way.

I'm OK with zones as long as it means we'll get interesting and diverse environments. But I hope that we don't jump too far when crossing a zone line. When I'm walking I want to SEE the world, not warp across it. That's what teleporting is for.

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Okay, that first one is totally windurst.

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I thought the same thing =) lolz

Yea the pic with the Autumn leaves in a huge forest is dope. Like The Sancutary of Zi'tah, but in the Fall.

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

Yea the pic with the Autumn leaves in a huge forest is dope. Like The Sancutary of Zi'tah, but in the Fall.

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I agree. Out of all the screenshots, that's my favorite. It really makes me want 2.0 right now. I just want to run around in that forest, a real forest that's not a maze of tunnels.

This game desperately needs the server and engine fixes that 2.0 will bring. I understand that those are the most important elements of the FFXIV revamp. But personally, nothing excites me more about 2.0 than the new areas.

The first picture looks like something out of Windurst... which I have mixed feelings on. The picture in the forest, though, gets me excited if we can actually go between those trees and it's not some invisible wall pathed area.

I would also love some snow-filled zones, but I would honestly like the idea of seasons where snow would be present in many non-snowy areas as well during the winter.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why not just make it seamless? They are getting new servers.

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Say you are high in the mountains, it wouldn't be possible to make so you claimed up there. By having a zone you would walk through a gated area then load into the mountain tops. That a what they said

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Originally Posted by Jinko

As someone said Skyrim was pretty repetitive, of course Tera has amazingly detailed and different zones and does it all with streaming so SE has no excuse really.

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Warp tunnel (Terra) is worse as canyon walking (current FF XIV)

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Originally Posted by Riaayo

The first picture looks like something out of Windurst... which I have mixed feelings on. The picture in the forest, though, gets me excited if we can actually go between those trees and it's not some invisible wall pathed area.

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It's just Gridania
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edit: ok, it's not exactly Gridania, but it have the same architecture

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Originally Posted by Felis

Warp tunnel (Terra) is worse as canyon walking (current FF XIV)

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Zoned areas provide a better explanation for dramatic changes in zones IMO. In a seamless world you walk over a bridge and all of the sudden everything is different.

I havnt played Tera but if it's worse then the canyon separates it's bad.

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Originally Posted by Mug

I remember that the battle climbing comment really saddened me. I want to spend 30 minutes climbing a mountain.

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This is one of the things that scares me about the future of this game. Yoshi-P and his new team have no doubt helped turn around Final Fantasy XIV so far, and I commend them for that effort. However he comes off with this attitude that seemingly doesn't give a rats ass about people who want to adventure, and experience their character to the fullest.

Rather we get massive exp boosts to hit 50 in a few short days, no effort to reach any of the primals, extremely easy content, and poorly implemented solo quests. Everything screeches of unoriginality. It's like they don't care about people who like that sense of adventure. Want to do the content? Here's a teleport. Want to hit 50? Here do it in a few short days. Want to do this quest? Ok spend 5 minutes solo and your done.

I'm really hoping that his stance on this changes. Sure maybe the adventure to the top of the mountain should be shortened AFTER you walk that 30 minutes and unlock it.

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

Yea the pic with the Autumn leaves in a huge forest is dope. Like The Sancutary of Zi'tah, but in the Fall.

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Yep. What I was thinking too. I loved hanging out in Zi'tah.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

This is one of the things that scares me about the future of this game. Yoshi-P and his new team have no doubt helped turn around Final Fantasy XIV so far, and I commend them for that effort. However he comes off with this attitude that seemingly doesn't give a rats ass about people who want to adventure, and experience their character to the fullest.

Rather we get massive exp boosts to hit 50 in a few short days, no effort to reach any of the primals, extremely easy content, and poorly implemented solo quests. Everything screeches of unoriginality. It's like they don't care about people who like that sense of adventure. Want to do the content? Here's a teleport. Want to hit 50? Here do it in a few short days. Want to do this quest? Ok spend 5 minutes solo and your done.

I'm really hoping that his stance on this changes. Sure maybe the adventure to the top of the mountain should be shortened AFTER you walk that 30 minutes and unlock it.

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I don't get that vibe from him , I sense that he values us as customers